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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/15/2017 11:26:18 AM

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o sancta simplicitas not wedding cakes again

could someone give me some suggestion whose stupidity I should care about less

- the baker who seriously considers a wedding cake a religious, political, and above all, his personal statement

- the marriage party who tells a baker anything more personal than the delivery address;

with any statements like that baker's, why not buy one and do the only thing it is good for: right into his face ...?

is there a wedding cake monopoly in the US?

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/15/2017 4:27:26 PM

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Quite.

Who wants to buy a wedding cake from someone so judgemental anyway?

Take your business elsewhere and tell your friends and family why.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/15/2017 5:14:47 PM

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Agreed - social media is a formidable tool for these kinds of situations..... Actually, probably a bit too efficient really, because local situations end up at the opposite ends of the earth, and being featured on the local "news".

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/16/2017 2:25:07 PM

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Just don't sell them any cakes, Greta.

Muslims wouldn't want to buy cakes from me anyway. Everytime I feed a Muslim, I sneak some kind of pork something into it and tell them there is no pork. My cakes will have pork lard and I would tell them it's halal.

I can't be trusted with food. i put pork in everything. So if anybody can't eat pork. Don't ever eat anything I offer you! I actually have a non-Muslim chinese girlfriend who is christian and don't eat pork too and I sneak pork in all the time in her food. But with her, I always tell her later that I did and well, I think she knows if she is getting food from me, I am putting pork in and lying to her it's something else.

And anyway, she is not upset because she just thinks pork doens't taste great like I don't think beef taste great.

Its taken a minute for me to think why putting pork into a Muslims food is so incredibly disturbing for me - and its because if you would do this - an act that would be profoundly disturbing for a devout Muslim- and you know it, then what wouldn't you do? How could anyone trust you in any situation with sensitive information, because you have shown you have no integrity, and would use that info. to "punish/outrage" that individual. Kind of like how someone who cheated in a monogamous relationship couldn't be trusted with other relationships. There is a good reason why people want transparency in relationships because trust is so important. If I was a potential partner of Greta I would have grave doubts about her integrity in ANY situation, not just dealing with food and religions.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/17/2017 5:25:30 AM

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o sancta simplicitas not wedding cakes again

could someone give me some suggestion whose stupidity I should care about less

- the baker who seriously considers a wedding cake a religious, political, and above all, his personal statement

- the marriage party who tells a baker anything more personal than the delivery address;

with any statements like that baker's, why not buy one and do the only thing it is good for: right into his face ...?

is there a wedding cake monopoly in the US?

The crack about the wedding party seems a bit unfair: the cake might have been ordered with names, or a same gender pair of those little figures on top of it.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/17/2017 6:08:32 AM

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But the reason why this baker is in trouble is because they want him to bake a cake to celebrate a gay marriage. It's not gays his against. It's marriage between a man and a man

It is still discriminating against law abiding citizens... as the baker himself said he would be just fine if he only sold off the shelf goods... but otherwise he is discriminating. Greta you have to understand you can't just make a law for this one act of discrimination. If allowed ALL services could be denied by religious beliefs... this is how laws work.

Sure in New York or St. Louis you most likely could find an accommodating baker or pharmacist but you may not be able to in Thayor Missouri. This is why religious rights have to play second fiddle to human rights. People are just not all Christians... or Muslims and if a baker is to serve the general public then they must serve all... or find another vocation.

Butch

no, greta has a far better comprehension of the matter than you ever could looking through your state colored glasses, the established US religion.

You cant even distinguish between what is state and what is religion.

The only way that person would be liable to sell a gay cake is in the same context of an injured person who needs help on the street and failure to assist would be negligent in your duty to your fellow man.

Baking a fucking wedding cake does not fall under any form of negligence what so ever.

The Christian religion requires Christians not to participate in any manner associated with atheist AntiChrist activities.

Try ordering a swastika bagel some day zippo brains

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/17/2017 6:25:27 AM

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o sancta simplicitas not wedding cakes again

could someone give me some suggestion whose stupidity I should care about less

- the baker who seriously considers a wedding cake a religious, political, and above all, his personal statement

- the marriage party who tells a baker anything more personal than the delivery address;

with any statements like that baker's, why not buy one and do the only thing it is good for: right into his face ...?

is there a wedding cake monopoly in the US?

The crack about the wedding party seems a bit unfair: the cake might have been ordered with names, or a same gender pair of those little figures on top of it.

... which, in all due unfairness, are absolutely necessary as accessories, and need an idiot baker expert to get it done. Another missed chance to demonstrate the mastery of a pastry bag. Not mentioning the expertise required for placing those figures on top ...

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/17/2017 6:34:28 AM

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what you are too fucking stupid to bake your own cake and your survival is totally dependent on someone violating their religion to support yours and bake one for you?

Yep I hear the sounds of insanity once again. You need to get with butch, he worships the state too. You can both pray to the same [false] god on sundays, hell every day!

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/17/2017 6:50:19 AM

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A baker is not a priest so if he has religious theories to deliver instead of a cake he is in the wrong business and should be told he is since he obviously didn't get that conclusion by himself.

And yes I can bake my own cakes, including decorating them after my fancy including using a pastry bag. You can get those figures the same way any baker does.
No big deal.

btw what is a "gay cake"?

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/17/2017 7:45:07 AM

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btw what is a "gay cake"?

Pink, I'd imagine.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/17/2017 7:52:42 AM

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How could anyone trust you in any situation with sensitive information, because you have shown you have no integrity, and would use that info. to "punish/outrage" that individual.

Muslims can't trust me, I am not denying that, I don't agree with their choice of religion. And pork is not poison to them as far as I am concern. They can't die from eating it. It's just brainwash from their religion and them being forced to watch this traumatizing video about eating pork from childhood.

To me, their anti-pork nonsense is just an evil religion manipulating them to think they can't eat pork. To me, Pork causes zero harm to them in any way.

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Kind of like how someone who cheated in a monogamous relationship couldn't be trusted with other relationships.

Well, cheating in a monogamous relationship means nothing to me in the sense of, I never have the requirement for a male to be sexually faithful to me. It's never a requirement for me in a marriage or a relationship and I have always made that very clear even to my x-husband or any man I dated upfront. Because his sexual loyalty means nothing to me and doesn't prove to me that he loves me at all. To me, love is not about sexual loyalty at all. No correlation at all.

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There is a good reason why people want transparency in relationships because trust is so important. If I was a potential partner of Greta I would have grave doubts about her integrity in ANY situation, not just dealing with food and religions.

Fortunately, I only date men who share my views on Islam. So they would think it's funny and don't get paranoid about it. I don't date men who support Islam in any form or manner anyway. And men who support Islam would constantly get angry at me about my views of Islam and we would keep arguing anyway. But generally, all religious people are hard limits as a life partner. I don't date Christians too. Have refuse to date a guy just because he goes to church. And I'd tell him straight that's the reason why. And I tell everyone I know I am anti-ALL religions. So I can never be with anybody who support religions.

To me religion is just ideology and a choice, like political leanings.

What I would never do is feed a vegetarian meat. Because Vegetarians actually have a respectable don't kill animals policy.

But Muslims have zero good reason not to eat pork, other than their dumb God say so. And I ain't gonna respect some imaginary God instructions.

To me, this is no difference from my brothers sneaking beef into my food all the time. I still love them and I know I can trust them with my life. It ain't poison, they just think it's funny.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/17/2017 8:01:13 AM

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I have seen you post some stupid remarks in the past but are you seriously claiming that an incestuous relationship is the same as a same sex relationship? Do have any idea of the difference? Do you have any idea of the risks involved in an incestuous relationship?

Do some research and learn how very stupid your claims are.

Okay Ms Smarts, explain to me why two gay brothers related by blood cannot marry each other? What are the risk of two gay brothers marrying each other. You are such an expert on this, then explain.

The whole incest babies causes defect babies is a bad reason for not allowing them to get married.

Because if both couples got themselves neutered, then why can't they get married? And how is it harmful?

Explain that?

It's just prejudice. But ya don't see it. There is no difference between people discomfort with gay couples and people's discomfort with incest couples.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/17/2017 8:04:54 AM

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It is still discriminating against law abiding citizens... as the baker himself said he would be just fine if he only sold off the shelf goods...
Butch

Off the shelves cakes, they can walk in, buy a cake and not inform of the reason they are buying that cake. So he is ignorant that it is for supporting gay marriage. So of course he will sell it.

Whereas, a customized cake just to celebrate gay marriage is different. He would have to knowingly go against his own religious beliefs to bake and design a cake that is celebrating something against his religion.

It's two different scenarios.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/17/2017 8:09:22 AM

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But the reason why this baker is in trouble is because they want him to bake a cake to celebrate a gay marriage. It's not gays his against. It's marriage between a man and a man

It is still discriminating against law abiding citizens... as the baker himself said he would be just fine if he only sold off the shelf goods... but otherwise he is discriminating. Greta you have to understand you can't just make a law for this one act of discrimination. If allowed ALL services could be denied by religious beliefs... this is how laws work.

Sure in New York or St. Louis you most likely could find an accommodating baker or pharmacist but you may not be able to in Thayor Missouri. This is why religious rights have to play second fiddle to human rights. People are just not all Christians... or Muslims and if a baker is to serve the general public then they must serve all... or find another vocation.

Butch

no, greta has a far better comprehension of the matter than you ever could looking through your state colored glasses, the established US religion.

You cant even distinguish between what is state and what is religion.

The only way that person would be liable to sell a gay cake is in the same context of an injured person who needs help on the street and failure to assist would be negligent in your duty to your fellow man.

Baking a fucking wedding cake does not fall under any form of negligence what so ever.

The Christian religion requires Christians not to participate in any manner associated with atheist AntiChrist activities.

Try ordering a swastika bagel some day zippo brains

Can they refuse to bake a cake that says 'everyone is equal' if they're white supremacists?

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/17/2017 8:13:00 AM

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Can they refuse to bake a cake that says 'everyone is equal' if they're white supremacists?

Yes, white supremacist shouldn't be force to bake a cake that says, "everyone is equal".

Why should they? It goes against their beliefs.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/17/2017 8:19:23 AM

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It's interesting that recently, I was talking to a white American dude who is against multi-culturalism. And who is openly anti-Islam. Very strong views against Islam like me. He even has the slogan, "Never apologise for being white". One would think he is a white supremacist, but I instantly get his message, and he would consider a relationship with a yellow woman like me, despite all of that and even talk about his desire for children if we made it to a relationship. Diluting his race.

I can tell his not a racist even from first glance of all the things he represented himself with, but I am sure alot of his fellow leftie americans would scream racism at him. And yea he gets alot of abuse from lefties.

But I also read the views of real white supremacists and what they are about.

I come from a culture, where not diluting our race is like, not seen as a racism thing, but wanting to preserve the continuation of our race. Oriental people specifically I can speak for us, it is a very important issue that we don't want to see our race die out.

And the white supremacists seem to just have the same concern, that somebody has to do the job of preserving their race.

I actually don't see any issue with that at all.

The real issue is when they wanna harm people who dilute their race. But technically, they could be peaceful and just simply practice their own beliefs of refusing to dilute their race with another race. Just like many oriental people, Japanese, Koreans, Chinese does that.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/17/2017 4:01:43 PM

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Can they refuse to bake a cake that says 'everyone is equal' if they're white supremacists?

Yes, white supremacist shouldn't be force to bake a cake that says, "everyone is equal".

Why should they? It goes against their beliefs.

you have to realize the construct used in reverse is incomprehensible to them.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/17/2017 4:08:06 PM

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Well, when you bake a cake with the names of 625k who died in Dresden we will move you from full slobbering retard, to lowest rung apprentice baker.

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/17/2017 4:54:50 PM

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and you will still be looking up!
massive mountain exterminator LOL

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RE: "I won't bake a cake that promotes Atheism" - 7/17/2017 9:23:50 PM

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But the reason why this baker is in trouble is because they want him to bake a cake to celebrate a gay marriage. It's not gays his against. It's marriage between a man and a man

It is still discriminating against law abiding citizens... as the baker himself said he would be just fine if he only sold off the shelf goods... but otherwise he is discriminating. Greta you have to understand you can't just make a law for this one act of discrimination. If allowed ALL services could be denied by religious beliefs... this is how laws work.

Sure in New York or St. Louis you most likely could find an accommodating baker or pharmacist but you may not be able to in Thayor Missouri. This is why religious rights have to play second fiddle to human rights. People are just not all Christians... or Muslims and if a baker is to serve the general public then they must serve all... or find another vocation.

Butch

all services which require someone to advertise for a religion other than their own yes.

you need to stick to whatever else it is that you know and stay away from law because seriously man religious rights are human rights ffs, what do you think they are?

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