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respectmen -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/15/2017 8:04:34 PM)
So a woman gropes a man's ass in a bar and he chokeholds her, drags her outside, while doing so she is making it difficult by going against walls. Then after when she is crying he take pics and sends it to social media in attempt to intimidate her. I'm sure you lot would be allll fine and dandy with that. Laughs No unnecessary use of force and action at all. Fair play, equal standards. You want equality, now you have to deal with it.

respectmen -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/15/2017 8:18:44 PM)
It's funny how people are seeing things gender based, or in other words, black and white. Men are stronger, women are weaker, yada yada yada. The complexities of the situation they are missing is that she absolutely has better fighting abilities. If this guy really had some type of upperhand over this woman, she wouldn't have managed to remain the chokehold and drag him the distance outside the bar to begin with. Maybe she is athletic, has done martial arts, and works out, while he is an unmotivated and physically unfit drunk. The evidence is clear that she had the upperhand or else she wouldn't have managed to drag him outside and then him crying.

thompsonx -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/15/2017 8:58:29 PM)
ORIGINAL: respectmen It's funny how people are seeing things gender based, or in other words, black and white. Men are stronger, women are weaker, yada yada yada. The complexities of the situation they are missing is that she absolutely has better fighting abilities. If this guy really had some type of upperhand over this woman, she wouldn't have managed to remain the chokehold and drag him the distance outside the bar to begin with. Maybe she is athletic, has done martial arts, and works out, while he is an unmotivated and physically unfit drunk. The evidence is clear that she had the upperhand or else she wouldn't have managed to drag him outside and then him crying. What is your point?

thompsonx -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/15/2017 9:03:19 PM)
ORIGINAL: respectmen Marini, would you condone a man putting a woman in a chokehold and dragging her outside a place for groping his ass? It's not that the woman was throwing punches or trying to rob or rape, right? Therefore, such force is unnecessary. Just how much force is necessary?

respectmen -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/15/2017 9:11:38 PM)
quote: What is your point? Women weaker, men stronger argument does not compute due to circumstances. quote: Just how much force is necessary? Was he holding her on the spot against her will? Like, she was unable to rush away and tell the authorities? If not, how is her force necessary?

Greta75 -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/15/2017 9:22:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen So a woman gropes a man's ass in a bar and he chokeholds her, drags her outside, while doing so she is making it difficult by going against walls. Then after when she is crying he take pics and sends it to social media in attempt to intimidate her. I'm sure you lot would be allll fine and dandy with that. Laughs No unnecessary use of force and action at all. Fair play, equal standards. You want equality, now you have to deal with it. I am totally fine with a man dragging a woman out and taking a picture to shame her IF she molested him. But choke hold would be excessive force as he is stronger. This woman isn't skilled at all. She got her ass kicked by the dude who molested her in your case. He slammed her into the wall. Security came in and assist her. He got subdue by men, not her. Her choke hold was useless against him. Thus her force was not excessive at all. It would be more the equivalent of an 8 yr old boy trying to choke hold his mom. No men or women should be molested. And the punishment should be super harsh. I am for death sentence to both men and women who molest or rape people, so you aren't gonna get any out cry from me. People seriously cannot think that they have rights at all to touch another human being. As if they own their bodies. Don't forget, I come from a country where if you even dare touch my elbow or my shoulder, you have committed a crime and will be handcuffed and drag to jail immediately. Men are not allowed to touch women without their permission at all. So even attempting to tap a woman on her shoulder over here is unacceptable. I always tell men here to keep their hands off women and don't get huggy and touchy and feelly with her. Many have gotten dragged to jail in clubs. Tourists who didn't know. Even just light tap on arm. But I like the law. It protects women from sexual assault very well. When men are frightened to touch women. Women don't get molested.

respectmen -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/15/2017 10:22:31 PM)
quote: But choke hold would be excessive force as he is stronger. Not every man is stronger than every woman. That aside, it's evident that she had higher fighting abilities compared to the male. Having superior fighting abilities can easily equate to physical strength and is just as destructive to the opponent. It's not getting your ass kicked to get slammed to the wall. She still managed to get him outside, you forgot that? Genders reversed and she was making it difficult by slamming him against the wall, would you still apply the man got his ass kicked?

Greta75 -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/15/2017 10:31:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen Not every man is stronger than every woman. That aside, it's evident that she had higher fighting abilities compared to the male. Having superior fighting abilities can easily equate to physical strength and is just as destructive to the opponent. She totally didn't have higher fighting abilities in this case. If the security didn't come in and help her outside, she would be screwed. She taken the man by shock by her reaction to his groping. Everything happen so fast. The man probably is in shock and needed time to recover. When he does, and start using his own real physical strength. She will be in trouble. Her advantage for initial victory is element of surprise. But I think if no security came to save her ass when she is alone with him outside and he gets back his wits. She might be in trouble. The security came in time to save her ass. A woman choke holding a man in respond would be the last reaction any man would expect from a petite and harmless looking woman. If you ever been attacked, you know the first reaction can be shock and disbelief. As a woman, I've challenged my partner to take me down before, where I used full force, where I felt very confident I could subdue them. And it's absolutely crazy when they start playing serious, when they realise I am serious. I had no chance at all. I always wanted to know what was my chances in a real fight with a man, in case of a sexual assault. I had a whole simulation where I wore really tight jeans, with belt, and basically clothes that were difficult to remove and I use full force to prevent him from removing them. And they always succeed. I felt like I have gone full on, smacking them. And considering they probably didn't want to hurt me. I used my all, they subdue me with their restrain strength. I have test this theory with men skinnier and 10 kg lighter than me. And same results.

respectmen -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/15/2017 10:46:53 PM)
quote: She totally didn't have higher fighting abilities in this case. If the security didn't come in and help her outside, she would be screwed. The security assist in any situation, dumbass. If it was a man who dragged out a woman, same deal. If it was a woman dragging out another woman, same deal. That's their job, that's their purpose. Your arguments are getting weaker.

Greta75 -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/15/2017 10:49:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen quote: She totally didn't have higher fighting abilities in this case. If the security didn't come in and help her outside, she would be screwed. The security assist in any situation, dumbass. If it was a man who dragged out a woman, same deal. If it was a woman dragging out another woman, same deal. That's their job, that's their purpose. Your arguments are getting weaker. No it's not, because after a man drags a woman outside for molesting him. He wouldn't need the security to save him from her. He can subdue her fine himself and not in any further danger from her. He can easily knock her out. That's my point. It's not dumb. It's the truth. As I always said, whenever someone lost. They only can respond with insults. You know you are wrong about this.

respectmen -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/15/2017 10:52:54 PM)
You do realise that if security avoids and ignores anything that is a part of their job, like intervening with fights, they will get fired and it will be an disqualification of their security license? Right?

WhoreMods -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/16/2017 4:43:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen So a woman gropes a man's ass in a bar and he chokeholds her, drags her outside, while doing so she is making it difficult by going against walls. Then after when she is crying he take pics and sends it to social media in attempt to intimidate her. I'm sure you lot would be allll fine and dandy with that. Laughs No unnecessary use of force and action at all. Fair play, equal standards. You want equality, now you have to deal with it. You'd be fine with having some guy grope your own arse then, would you?

Greta75 -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/16/2017 5:31:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen You do realise that if security avoids and ignores anything that is a part of their job, like intervening with fights, they will get fired and it will be an disqualification of their security license? Right? Security can don't intervene if the guy can take care of the problem himself. They aren't gonna get in any trouble as long as it's resolved and didn't escalate. They can just stand aside and watch. The guy can just leave the woman outside and walk back in after he is done with her. The security would have zero need to assist him into subduing her. Or protect him from her. All they gotta do is block her from coming back in or hold her until the police comes. In the situation of when a man drags a woman out for molesting him. If the security is coming in, it's more to ensure the man didn't harm the woman too much, rather than protecting the man as he would be doing a pretty good job of protecting himself from her. But if a woman gets molested, the security is there to protect her from further harm from the man. Even if a woman fights back. I don't see her winning most of the time, unless she is an MMA fighter, with a ordinary man. Which this woman is not. The whole dynamic is different.

thompsonx -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/16/2017 6:01:27 AM)
ORIGINAL: respectmen Not every man is stronger than every woman. That aside, it's evident that she had higher fighting abilities compared to the male. Having superior fighting abilities can easily equate to physical strength and is just as destructive to the opponent. You are a disingenuous little punk. The article is quite clear that once she put the choke hold on him he bashed her against the wall at which time the security guards took over. Learn to read. quote: But as if the man felt he hadn’t done enough damage, he also slammed Olsen up against a wall during the altercation. With the help of the bar’s security team, Olsen subdued the man and called the police.

stef -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/16/2017 9:25:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods You'd be fine with having some guy grope your own arse then, would you? It would be the highlight of his life.

PeonForHer -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/16/2017 9:36:01 AM)
My normal rule is 'the minimum force required to stop an attack'. But that doesn't seem relevant here. After A has already sexually assaulted B ... what then? Me, I'd probably get pretty angry with a man who'd, say, just grabbed my crotch. I might even think he needed to be taught a lesson. Strangle hold, bop on the chin or in the stomach .... Don't know. Would you feel differently, RM?

tj444 -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/16/2017 10:43:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen If a guy happened to get groped by a woman and put her in a chokehold, would people be cheering the man about it and be all humorous and fine with it? You moron... No guy is gonna put a woman in a chokehold for grabbing his arse, he is gonna ask for her phone number or ask her out on a date.. When I was about 18 or so, I was walking down a mall and a guy was bent over tying his shoes or something along those lines.. I couldnt resist giving his butt (which was quite nice) a lil pinch.. and I kept on walking.. he chased after me and caught up with me and he was BEAMING.. he had a HUGE smile on his face, he thanked me for the compliment and said he couldnt wait to get home to tell his wife about it!!!.. [:D] There is a yuge difference in how most (but perhaps not all) women feel about being groped and how most/all men feel about being groped... YUGE.. imo, its also dependent on how attractive the groper is.. just sayin'

PeonForHer -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/16/2017 11:54:37 AM)
quote: There is a yuge difference in how most (but perhaps not all) women feel about being groped and how most/all men feel about being groped... YUGE.. imo, its also dependent on how attractive the groper is.. just sayin' Devil's advocate time: What explains the difference?

WickedsDesire -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/16/2017 1:20:11 PM)
I have been groped or sexually assaulted by women in bars, and more than once...Usually Englandshire, more often than not: perhaps there is something in their tap water. I think I used to be handsome, once long ago, but that is no excuse, surely? One of the times I was married, probably more than the one time, when I was married. Is it a compliment or is it disgusting? I think part is both, two parts, and yet there is no difference PeonForHer. What if I slapped her – I don’t have it in me to put a women in a choke hold for that, but what if I did?

PeonForHer -> RE: Woman brings man to chokehold for groping her ass (8/16/2017 1:37:27 PM)
There is a difference, though, isn't there? No point in ignoring the reality of it all for the sake of some abstract theorising about ethics. The truth is that for most men, most of the time, a woman just isn't a threat. If a woman gropes your jacksie or even your goolies, you're going to raise your eyebrows - it's a rare occurrence. You might be irritated. But I should imagine the most likely result is that you'd laugh, because it feels somewhere between awkward and funny. I might change my opinion in a snap if I were ever to get groped by a very, very big, strong, and aggressive woman. I've never come across that before, though, and I have to say it's really difficult to imagine. A group of women? Say, a bunch of drunk women on a hen night (I do cross the road to avoid them, I have to say)? Even then, I'd still more likely feel irritated than threatened. Here you go. Woman grabs multiple men's goolies. Watch this and write your conclusions. Funny, or not? If it's funny - why so? If it's offensive - again, why so? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ3-wAjfMiw And yep, I think we can all agree that a man doing the same thing with women would not work the same way.

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