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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/3/2017 1:45:46 PM   
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That's a really old joke: there's a clip of Dave Allen doing that one back in the early '70s and he'd probably swiped it from Tom Lehrer or somebody who was doing it twenty years before that. Nice to see it's got a second wind.

OK, my point still stands.


the question underneath the story is one of "how does god work in the world?"

And the whole question has devolved into a pissing match about whether the answer is "Badly, ineptly and in a completely half arsed fashion" or "He doesn't. At all."

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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/3/2017 1:46:14 PM   
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didnt kick em out hard enough.

Evidently: the fuckers still exist.

It isn't legal to kick them as hard as they deserve.
And they don't represent any Baptist convention.

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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/3/2017 1:48:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		greta, this is not quite a perfect fit, but I just got done watching the movie "soul surfer" for a second time and I thought of your post here while I was watching.

I really encourage you to give it a watch.

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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/3/2017 2:17:12 PM   
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didnt kick em out hard enough.

Evidently: the fuckers still exist.

It isn't legal to kick them as hard as they deserve.
And they don't represent any Baptist convention.

The jihadists don't represent the conventions the vast majority of moslems have, but that never seems to stop anybody on here portraying a minority of that religion as representing the entire faith, does it?

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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/3/2017 2:24:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are you calling President pedo Nutter a liar? ( I showed my brother those clips the other night known as Friday-we rarely speak or meet) He was unaware of them but he did remark that is not right.

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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/3/2017 2:33:44 PM   
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Are you calling President pedo Nutter a liar?

Yes. Of course I am. You can tell the orange shitgibbon is lying because his lips move. (Or his fingers if he's tweeting rather than talking...)

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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/3/2017 2:37:33 PM   
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didnt kick em out hard enough.

Evidently: the fuckers still exist.

It isn't legal to kick them as hard as they deserve.
And they don't represent any Baptist convention.

The jihadists don't represent the conventions the vast majority of moslems have, but that never seems to stop anybody on here portraying a minority of that religion as representing the entire faith, does it?


Yes, it does me. And Christians far more forcefully denounce Westbrook than Moslems denounce Jihadists.
By your question you admit that blaming all Christians for Westbrook is wrong but because some people wrongly
blame all of Islam for the radicals that makes it ok. If anyone on the right does something wrong the whole left
gets a pass for doing it. And we will just pretend that those on the right who don't do not exist.

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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/3/2017 2:52:11 PM   
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1. Donald Trump had sex with his daughter Ivanka
2. Trump: I could shoot somebody and not lose voters
3. Trump: McCain is not war hero, he was captured

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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/3/2017 3:15:18 PM   
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Yes, it does me. And Christians far more forcefully denounce Westbrook than Moslems denounce Jihadists.

Really? They've mostly been very quiet indeed about that.

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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/3/2017 3:23:47 PM   
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Yes, it does me. And Christians far more forcefully denounce Westbrook than Moslems denounce Jihadists.

Really? They've mostly been very quiet indeed about that.

Then, as usual you don't pay attention to anything not your left wing blogs.
The Southern Baptists threw them out of their convention, no other convention would take them in.
I have not heard one word defending them. Since you don't like them it doesn't count. They didn't
talk, they actually did something.

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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/3/2017 3:28:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		If God wants to work through the government, fine.

Supreme Beings get to choose.

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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/3/2017 3:52:27 PM   
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If God wants to work through the government, fine.

Supreme Beings get to choose.

Yep, the joke is at least as valid as the cartoon, and doesn't insult anyone.

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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/3/2017 8:52:18 PM   
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"allowing" things to occur is not the same as "causing" them to occur.

To me it's the same thing. IF he had the power to save people, rather than wait till shit happen and then sent all that helicopters or red cross to rescue people. It's like, WTF God? WTF? He already made a decision in advance who will survive and who will die.

One thing I always learn about Christianity is that, although he claims to give "free will", BUT let's face it. He does choose when to interfere and when not to interfere. When a miracle happens, like some miracle some person who faced extreme situation in this disaster should have died, but somewhat survived. People say it's because of God's doing. THAT IS interfering. So end of the day, he has full control on everything that happens. He save those who he wanted to continue living.

The complication in believing in a creator is, that he does whatever he wants, how he wants it. But I don't have to agree with his decision making. In Katrina and in Texas, his decision was, let them suffer first. I will send "rescue teams in later" to save those who survive.

Imagine if you were a creator of a product and it contains defects, aka, natural disasters, in normal human understanding, you would be liable for that "defect". But if you were all powerful and nobody can really do anything to you. It's like, whatever. Do whatever! No consequences, except those who suffered from it.

End of the day, if men were made in God's image. And men are fallible. Clearly, God don't make perfect decisions all the time too. Except, he is the most powerful being in the Universe. Thus, whoever has the most power calls the shot.


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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/4/2017 4:51:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		greta, none of us here are theologians and so its tough to convey the complexity of this issue in just a few lines that everyone would get. if you really want to understand the tensions in what youre talking about, do some reading concerning free will and predestination.

meanwhile, some of this is a little "iffy" to me, but on the whole, good reading:

http://www.epm.org/resources/2010/Mar/25/gods-and-humanitys-roles-natural-disasters/

also, go watch "soul surfer." you'll find an answer in that movie to one of your pressing questions.

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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/4/2017 4:56:39 AM   
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If God wants to work through the government, fine.

Supreme Beings get to choose.

Yep, the joke is at least as valid as the cartoon, and doesn't insult anyone.

Besides, that makes God a liberal (according to some people's definition of liberals and what government should and shouldn't do).

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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/5/2017 4:19:36 AM   
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Yes, it does me. And Christians far more forcefully denounce Westbrook than Moslems denounce Jihadists.

Really? They've mostly been very quiet indeed about that.

It's not that they have been quiet (they have protests here and there basically every week according to their website) but the media has finally gotten wise and pretty much ignored the little attention whores.

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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/5/2017 7:06:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Chick Tract is Illegal in my country as it's seen as extremist Christianity. Some pastor was printing chick tract out and passing it around and he got jailed for it.

Also, I am unable to access chick tract. It is blocked in my country too ha.

Hilarious. I find the Chick Tracts funny though.

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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/5/2017 9:53:51 AM   
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If God wants to work through the government, fine.

Supreme Beings get to choose.

Yep, the joke is at least as valid as the cartoon, and doesn't insult anyone.

Besides, that makes God a liberal (according to some people's definition of liberals and what government should and shouldn't do).


Remember my thread a few years ago about how Jesus was a Liberal?
It got a bit of traffic.

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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/5/2017 10:15:21 AM   
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If God wants to work through the government, fine.

Supreme Beings get to choose.

Yep, the joke is at least as valid as the cartoon, and doesn't insult anyone.

Besides, that makes God a liberal (according to some people's definition of liberals and what government should and shouldn't do).


Remember my thread a few years ago about how Jesus was a Liberal?
It got a bit of traffic.

Never mind liberal, the guy was an out and out communist...


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RE: God didn't send help, the Government did - 9/8/2017 10:09:41 AM   
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Let's remember that God SENT Katrina too! So he better be sending the "jeep, a truck, a boat, and a helicopter" to fix the mess and devastation he made!

Do you realy think that God has nothing better to do than sit around deciding what our weather is going to be from day to day?
So no, God did not SEND any of the Katria.
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Natural Disasters like what happened in Noah's Ark, is 100% God's work of destruction of his creations whenever he throws a tantrum.
The flood of Noah's day was not a Natural Disaster, that flood was sent by God for a very specific reason.

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