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Depression in your life and play - 7/28/2006 1:51:55 PM   
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Depression is something that so many people really don't understand. Recently I was talking to a friend I met here who was dealing with the level of players that have turned her away from enjoying this lifestyle. In our conversations she was discussing her history of depression with me and how she is starting to believe that her depression may be getting in the way of her success here. Funny thing was discussing this persons situation , in general ,with another friend here, she discussed her lack of interest here may also be due to her depression..

My question is has to do with how many out here have stories where depression, whether on your part  or from the other partner, have made you feel like you missed  out on something  wounderful?
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RE: Depression in your life and play - 7/28/2006 2:06:49 PM   
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Depression is a very common problem. And yes those who suffer from it tend to lose out on a lot of good things because well, because they just cant find the switch in them to turn off the darkness.

Anti-depressents can be useful in the short term. But in the long term they cause a different set of problems.  If you think you can work thru the problem in say, a month on anti-depression medication, I'd say try it.

But, believe it or not, it could be something other than depression. Drugs like Pro-vigil and some ADD drugs can help a person focus. Sometimes the lack of focus can make you wonder which way to go, which in turn gets you down, which in turn makes you depressed etc etc..

So in the end, nothing is simple, there are no miriacle drugs, and a person really has to be serious about looking deep in order to find out what might be wrong. This is not one of those subjects were doing nothing, can make ones problems go away.

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RE: Depression in your life and play - 7/28/2006 2:21:03 PM   
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Depression is one of those few disorders that are rarely the same.

I know my Depression has hindered me in a lot of places. Mostly in terms of ambition, and energy. Its hard to be a good sub, if I dont have the energy to even get up and get my Mistress a glass of water.

I cant feel good about myself, i suffer from numerous insecurities etc.

Its not good.


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RE: Depression in your life and play - 7/28/2006 2:39:35 PM   
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I don't want to dwell on the past, or seem pathetic, or anything, but I have a probably not all that uncommon story of how unipolar severe depression affected my own life.

Firstoff- the good news is that depression (bi-polar or uni-polar, or one of the many kinds of other depression) is, over 80% of the time, considerd to be highly treatable. Plus, there are really much more effective (I think) medications to treat it on the market, with fewer drastic side effects, than was the case, even 10 years ago.

My father's side of the family has a high genetic pre-disposition to unipolar depression. Both my father's sister and a brother committed suicide due to untreated depression. I believe in my case, it is inherited, and not much else - even though I did have "talk therapy" when I first was hit by severe depression, it didn't seem to make much difference - I felt better when I found a medication that worked, though.

When I was 18, many moons ago, and has a college partial scholarship at the state university, I was hit at the end of the semester with what turned out the first of several episodes of severe depression (half a dozen lasting two-six months). It was very scary to me, because I suddenly lost interest in almost everything around me, lost over 20 pounds without trying, and had trouble concentrating, and cried a lot. This did not abate by the beginning of the next term, and I was forced to drop out of school temporarily for the next school term to try to deal with it. The next several years (until I was about 23) were a gradually lessening nightmare of various medications, doctors, quacky suggestions re: Alternative therapies, and even a shock treatment or two (which is considered by many doctors to be the "treatment of last resort"). I had the kind of severe depression that "nice people didn't talk about" (or really want to hear about, so my mother said).

My poor father was at his wit's end (and guilt ridden, because he thought is was "his genes" that had caused the problem, etc.). Due mostly to insistence and encouragement from my father, I stayed in school at the university - he wouldn't let me drop out, and said it would be wasting my brain, etc. My mother wanted me to go to secretarial school (to be fair, I think she was just tired of seeing me struggle). Nobody at the university, none of my teachers, or the other students, knew what I was going through, ever. Which made it all the sweeter when I was invited to join an honors program, and managed to get the first ever internship in my department (Marketing). I ended up graduating with honors and getting a great job. 

How it affected my sex life was a moot point, at least until Iwas Junior, when I finally started dating again (my mother had partially managed to convince me that nobody was going to want me anyway. I know she maybe didn't mean to make me think that, but I stayed away from guys for the first few years I was a student). I didn't want to have to explain why I was taking pills, how I sometimes had trouble remembering little things, even though I was smart, etc. I was very self-conscious about it and just didn't want to mess with dating at all.

When I did (finally, my sister fixed me up with someone) start dating, finding someone to get serious about had its own set of problems. I had made a decision I was not going to pass on these weird genes and was never going to have biological children. I was, however, more than open to adopting some, and do like them. Well - this managed to short circuit most of the relationships I had that got serious; many guys want their own children. We'd start getting serious and then we'd inevitably have "the talk" (which usually ended things between us ona romantic level). They may not have believed me when I said it was hard for me, too (but it really was). When I finally met my husband, I was thrilled he already had been married and had two teenage sons, and had had a vasectomy! I thought that was just about perfect, and it was porbably no small part of why we married, thinking back on it. Well, enough about all that. It's over.

But - the great news is -it is possible to live a completely normal life with depression, and that the medications today are more effective (much of the time), and also some of them specifically are marketed as offring no sexual side effects (in that they do not inhibit someopne's sex drive, whoch had, in th epast, been a major problem with some anti-depressats).

Having depression does not make someone a weirdo, or an untreatable mental case (although if left untreated, I'd ask them why they were sufferiung when so much good treatment is available). I have managed to live a very full life, I think.
I had some great corporate jobs, have hobbies I truly enjoy, many freinds, and do fulfilling volunteer work. This was, in no small part due to the fact I had support, and also coudn't picture living a half-life kind of existence (which is not at all necessary with the great meds that are available, and other kinds of help as well).   

Also, the roots of someone's depression can be varied, so to find out what is causing it, it is best to see a doctor. There is "situational depression" (someone has just had  a major, life-altering sad event, or several, that have jarred them). Also, "cumulative depression" (someone has several bad things happen to them in a row, and the stress for them just piles up, and they react with a depressive episode). There is bi-poloar depression, dysthymia, and the list goes on. But - it is extremely treatable.

- Susan

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RE: Depression in your life and play - 7/29/2006 12:31:09 PM   
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As far as the suggestion to only use anti-depressants for a month max, ouch! This is a biochemical disorder, just like diabetis is a biochemical disorder, living on insulin can cause eventual problems but you don't tell a diabetic not to use it.

I'm fourth generation mood disorder and of course when it hits, it is devastating. With insufficient energy to get out of bed, you can't maintain healthy relationships.

Back when I was young, and when depression was not a diagnosis in minors, and before the modern SSRI's, I tried to talk my doctor into sending me for shock treatment as that was then the only hope. She refused.

It tends to come on with hormonal changes, appearing frequently at puberty and also in middle age when the hormones begin to decline. According to my psychiatrist who did treat me when in reappeared in middle age, 70% of sufferers require 18 - 24 months on the meds. 15% require 5 years and the remaining 15% must stay on them for life.

It is treatable, please go see either a psychiatrist or a psychopharmocologist.

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RE: Depression in your life and play - 7/29/2006 12:46:49 PM   
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I agree. When it first hit me, I remember the doctors knew it was depression, but insisted on counseling therapy, with the anti-depressants. The "counselling" proved to be totally useless, because other than the genetically-based depression, nothing was wrong with me. It took me months to find a doctor who would just prescribe the meds, without insisting I also go to more (useless) counselling, who was also on my  "preferred providers" health insurance list. In most cases, it was simply the doctors doing CYA (which I do understand, but counselling costs money). I knew I didn't need it.

As for quacky recommendations I received, before I discovered meds that really and truly worked for me, I could write a book. My parents were so desperate that at one point, we even saw a faith healer - and they are not the kind of folks who normally subscribe to that kind of treatment (yeah, I know I've heard it can work; in my case, it did not). 

But, that's just my own case. Some people benefit from counselling therapy . I think the best thing to do if someone thinks they are suffering from it (or someone they know is suffering) is to see their family doctor or psychiatrist. Depresssion can be such a varied experience for so many.

- Susan 

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RE: Depression in your life and play - 7/29/2006 1:19:44 PM   
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I have imediate family dealing with depression and  I can tell you that even with treatments available, the side effects can still be rough on someone.

For example, lets talk about sex or this lifestyle. From the postion of having someone you interact with and then discovering that have no disire to be wiht you is very tough on the spouse or mate. Often , I hear that depression is causing alot of marrages to break up , because the person is not the same mind set as before. Or the change is so extreme and fast , the spouse can not relate to it.

In fact I will bet many of the married people on here, may be looking for the reason stated above. Their lonelyness from being in a marrage with someone who  does not have a desire  or interest any longer or its an up and down desire, simply are trying to find something on the out side to not go crazy themselves from lack of effection...

this is just one observation...

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RE: Depression in your life and play - 7/29/2006 1:23:01 PM   
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Yes, I do know people who have divorced because they could not deal with a spouse's depression. Maybe counselling would help (even if the depressed partner does not want to attend)? I am taking for granted (perhaps wrongly), that the depressed person is making an effort to be treated for their depression, and that if whatever they are doing is not working, they are being persistent in finding something that does work. If not, I'd suggest helping them do this, or insisting they do this. Otherwise, it will be all the more easy for the affected spouse to lose faith the situation will ever improve, and I agree it can be hard for another person to have to live with.   

I wish I could answer more about how depression has affected  my sex life, but since I've been taking the right medication for me for over 20 years, it really hasn't been a problem. Finding the right medication, however, was a real pain and took a few years.

*I've read that the anti-depressant Wellbutrin is currently the anti-depressant med of choice for people wanting the keast sexually inhiniting side effects. Some anti-depressants do inhibit sexual expression, and I'd suggest considering if a spouse is taking one of those, and if so, ask a doctor for Wellbutrin instead (or ask them to recommend one that will not inhibit sexual expression).

- Susan  

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RE: Depression in your life and play - 7/29/2006 1:40:57 PM   
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My question is has to do with how many out here have stories where depression, whether on your part  or from the other partner, have made you feel like you missed  out on something  wounderful?


My depression stems from simple lonelyness. I hate coming home every single night, knowing that there will be no one there for me. I even find myself sitting in the parking lot for a while, dreading walking into the sameness that I left. I hate going to sleep and waking up here, all because I have too much time on my hands to dwell on my loneliness. Add to this, that I have a ton of friends who tell me that I am one of the most steadfast and principled people that they know, and yet, they cannot figure out why I havent found someone special yet. I am very active in my community, make it out to many munches, play parties, events, go to college, have an internship, and still find time for more. I even hold the office of Sgt. at Arms in one of the local groups here in Mid-Michigan and am also apprenticed to a House for certain types of training. Yet all of that does not fill me because it is not the same as having someone special in your life to share things with. In almost 30 years of life, the first half was stolen from me by emotionally abusive parents and the second half is filled with me simply wanting someone special that I can make happy. So little wonder that I get depressed and down? I bust my ass working hard, going to college, staying active, trying to get a career going, trying to be financially successful, making time for my community and the House, and yet despite it all, I have no one special and have never had anyone special. The few times in my life I have come close to someone, they either tried to hurt me or use me negatively and I refused to be a part of it. The one time I truly did find someone who completely rocked my world and who I would have done whatever she wished for me, I was let go because of things outside either of our control. Talk about depressing when you realize just how much you would give for someone special, and yet you can find no one who resonates with you.

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RE: Depression in your life and play - 7/29/2006 1:48:12 PM   
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Saint:Oh HUGS, HUGS and more  HUGS. Please do not go on. I can just feel how this feels. I can remember when I believed (and was convinced) nobody would ever want me at all. It hurts - but the biggest thing to remember is: IT's NOT TRUE.

Somebody out there needs to start a bdsm dating service akin to that vanilla one called:"It's Just Lunch" - only for bdsm singles. It's an idea whose time has truly come, I do think so.

HUGS! Please don't feel so lonely. I wish I could give you a HUG. You're gonna make me cry (really). But that's okay. I feel so sad for you. I know it hurts.

Hey!! Ya'll DOMMES. Listen UP! Whatsa matter whicha? This guy needs YOU.
Somebody do something!! Okay - I'll shut up now. Just trying to help.

One MORE HUG.

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RE: Depression in your life and play - 7/29/2006 1:50:04 PM   
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I have heard of people with depression (medically speaking), but have never witnessed it. To me it just seems like a generic coverall term for folks who can't seem to get past the "glass half empy" syndrome. Sure, things get tough, but you pull yourself up by the bootstraps and move on. Maybe it's just me, but I can't see letting the bad consequences in life get you down, it seems to make more sense (to me) to not just curl up in the corner, but get out there and change what has gone wrong.
 
I know it's not that simple for someone with bonafide depression, but having had no first hand experience with it, it just seems that it's a lack of positive attitude when you are looking at it from the outside, looking in. I could never get depressed, I would be too busy trying to fix the problem.

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RE: Depression in your life and play - 7/29/2006 1:56:22 PM   
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This might be (or not) true with someone who just has a case of "the blues" Scooter, and I say this with all due respect, but - if you'd ever met or known someone in the throes of the down side of bi-polar illness, or somone who required shock treatments for severe unipolar depression, I think you'd feel differently. Depression can be an actual physical illness, with physical symptoms requiring treatment, and isn't "all in someone's head." Seeking treatment is "trying to fix the problem".

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RE: Depression in your life and play - 7/29/2006 1:58:08 PM   
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That is why I made clear the point that I haven't witnessed it. Without having seen it, it is difficult to understand.

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RE: Depression in your life and play - 7/29/2006 2:06:59 PM   
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I know. I wasn't dissing you (truly. I wouldn't do that buddy).

My family is full of people like this. Most are distant relatives I don't see much, but some have done things like jumped off buildings, and thrown themselves in front of cars, etc. - due to depression they were too ashamed, apparently, to seek treatment for. It almost killed my dad in the sense that he was devastated when both his brother and his sister killed themselves. My dad was never affected by depression himself, but he knows it's in his family genes. Anyway...I agree there are some folks who are just chronic whiners. It can sometimes be hard to separate the two, I spose. If someone is too lazy to see a doctor about some kind of treatment or counselling, then I can get a little impatient with them (if it's affecting their life in major ways, like they are missing work, etc. due to it). I have this one friend whose life just never seems to go right for her (ever). It's gotten to the point I give her 15 minutes on the phone, but that's it. 

On the other hand, I do understand what Saint said about loneliness. That can be really depressing - and I do hope he hangs in there. I just know he will find someone sometime.

- Susan

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RE: Depression in your life and play - 7/29/2006 2:11:08 PM   
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my depression/anxiety has made me an unwanted comodity in the lifestyle as it tends to ruin my verbal communication with others and lowers my self-esteem.

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RE: Depression in your life and play - 7/29/2006 2:36:19 PM   
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That is why I made clear the point that I haven't witnessed it. Without having seen it, it is difficult to understand.


I appreciate your 'outside looking in' comment.

Folks who report from the inside looking out have used phrases like 'saran wrapped to the couch', because there is no visible or logical reason apparent for the behavior associated with severe depression.

And even reading up on serotonin re-uptake doesn't really give a tangible handle on what makes this thing tick.

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RE: Depression in your life and play - 7/29/2006 2:40:31 PM   
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Thta's also what can make it a difficult health issue for depressed people to sometimes deal with, regarding how others can react to it. It's invisible - it's not like a broken leg anyone else can really see.

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RE: Depression in your life and play - 7/29/2006 3:44:21 PM   
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I have imediate family dealing with depression and  I can tell you that even with treatments available, the side effects can still be rough on someone.

this is just one observation...


It may be one observation but from someone who will be on antidepressants most likely for the rest of my life, trust me.. suicide is a very harsh reality.. give me the side effects that my body will adjust to.

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RE: Depression in your life and play - 7/29/2006 4:10:47 PM   
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I have heard of people with depression (medically speaking), but have never witnessed it. To me it just seems like a generic coverall term for folks who can't seem to get past the "glass half empy" syndrome. Sure, things get tough, but you pull yourself up by the bootstraps and move on. Maybe it's just me, but I can't see letting the bad consequences in life get you down, it seems to make more sense (to me) to not just curl up in the corner, but get out there and change what has gone wrong.
 
I know it's not that simple for someone with bonafide depression, but having had no first hand experience with it, it just seems that it's a lack of positive attitude when you are looking at it from the outside, looking in.

I could never get depressed, I would be too busy trying to fix the problem.


Hey Scooter... and all....

Bullshit.

Ignorant, uninformed bullshit.
Maybe even well-intentioned bullshit.
but simply bullshit none the less.

DD
PS... this BS about "positive attitudes" is why
talking therapies are almost useless for depression,
and why serotonin re-uptake inhibitors work pretty well.

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RE: Depression in your life and play - 7/29/2006 4:18:41 PM   
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I would say depression as with any other emotional or mental issue, need not hinder you in finding a partner if you do two things in my opinion and my experience.

First, be dealing with it. Therapy, meds, whatever you need to help you on your own start working toward controlling the issue. Note I didn't say to cure it, I said to control it. You can learn to lessen the power of many emotional and mental problems if you put the effort into it. I know this first hand and second hand.

Second, be honest with the potential early on. Note the first or second conversation but definitely before you have a test scene or play session. Answer any questions they have. Try to let it go if it turns out that your issue is a limit for them -- would you really want to be with that person anyway?

It is not easy for the person with the issue(s) and it is not easy for anyone who is their friend or lover or partner or family. Again, being there, doing that myself.


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