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DoctorDubious -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/29/2006 4:21:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: openmindedslave My question is has to do with how many out here have stories where depression, whether on your part or from the other partner, have made you feel like you missed out on something wounderful? Hey Open... and all... The sad truth is, if you are depressed, it does feel like you are missing good things.... Exercise, sunlight, serotonin drugs, patience and helpful, non-judgemental friends who avoid cheap glib, useless advice like "cheer up" blah blah are all helpful. So is time. ******* And now on a lighter note, the only semi-effective "talking therapy" for depression is Cognitive Beharioural Treatment ... CBT. I really have fun talking with former colleagues about CBT, because as all good collarme types know, expecially the trannies and boy-subs....CBT has other darker pleasures attached, eh? DD, occasionally depressed, but never CBT'd.

SusanofO -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/29/2006 4:52:41 PM)
So - are you like suggesting CBT as "treatment"? I can see it now: "Uh oh. Now he's gonna get "the treatment". Yikes; don't anybuddy look". Just teasin' ya'! Too funny. [:D] - Susan

Alumbrado -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/29/2006 5:01:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DoctorDubious quote: ORIGINAL: ScooterTrash I have heard of people with depression (medically speaking), but have never witnessed it. To me it just seems like a generic coverall term for folks who can't seem to get past the "glass half empy" syndrome. Sure, things get tough, but you pull yourself up by the bootstraps and move on. Maybe it's just me, but I can't see letting the bad consequences in life get you down, it seems to make more sense (to me) to not just curl up in the corner, but get out there and change what has gone wrong. I know it's not that simple for someone with bonafide depression, but having had no first hand experience with it, it just seems that it's a lack of positive attitude when you are looking at it from the outside, looking in. I could never get depressed, I would be too busy trying to fix the problem. Hey Scooter... and all.... Bullshit. Ignorant, uninformed bullshit. Maybe even well-intentioned bullshit. but simply bullshit none the less. DD PS... this BS about "positive attitudes" is why talking therapies are almost useless for depression, and why serotonin re-uptake inhibitors work pretty well. What ST described is a very accurate assessment of some outsiders' inability to understand what is going on in someone else's life. In fact it does not make 'sense', or appear to be an obvious result of some observable cause. As a mood disorder, it is easily confused with 'moody' behavior. And anyone who doesn't think people with depression face that attitude in others every day, is missing a salient point..

ScooterTrash -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/29/2006 6:09:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DoctorDubious quote: ORIGINAL: ScooterTrash I have heard of people with depression (medically speaking), but have never witnessed it. To me it just seems like a generic coverall term for folks who can't seem to get past the "glass half empy" syndrome. Sure, things get tough, but you pull yourself up by the bootstraps and move on. Maybe it's just me, but I can't see letting the bad consequences in life get you down, it seems to make more sense (to me) to not just curl up in the corner, but get out there and change what has gone wrong. I know it's not that simple for someone with bonafide depression, but having had no first hand experience with it, it just seems that it's a lack of positive attitude when you are looking at it from the outside, looking in. I could never get depressed, I would be too busy trying to fix the problem. Hey Scooter... and all.... Bullshit. Ignorant, uninformed bullshit. Maybe even well-intentioned bullshit. but simply bullshit none the less. DD PS... this BS about "positive attitudes" is why talking therapies are almost useless for depression, and why serotonin re-uptake inhibitors work pretty well. er, uh, excuse me? Amazing how I put something quite politely and explain that it's only my observation, my opinion, then I get slammed, telling me it's BS? Sorry Doc...but apparently you missed something in your schooling, the fomulation of a thought or belief is just that, simply an observation based on witnessed events. It's not like I stated I was some expert or something or claimed I was positively right...so I take exception to the ignorant remark, I stated I had not witnessed clinical depression. I won't get into a pissing contest over this, but I have yet to meet anyone in the medical field that exactly dazzled me either, but I don't generally tell them they are full of it. Perhaps from now on...read the posts, don't attempt to read into them what's not there.

popeye1250 -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/29/2006 7:17:35 PM)
Dr., good points about sunlight and excercise! That's right about sunlight! When I moved here from New Hampshire the first winter here was much better than up North because you can be outside all the time here. I had, like a lot of people in Northern climes do "S.A.D."; Seasonal Affective Disorder. It's caused by a lack of sunlight and as anyone in here from the Northeast part of the country can tell you winters are very long and dreary in New England. You're stuck in the house most of the time as it's too cold to go out. This happens in other "Northern" states as well. A neighbor here who moved from New York last year even commented about how much "wintertime depression" was made better just by moving here. It stays lighter for an extra hour here than it does up North as we're a thousand miles closer to the equater. And we have these terriffic "Carolina Blue" skies here that really cheer me up! It's like the sky is "bluer" than up North. As for "excercise" I'd rather be walking on the beach in January or riding my bicycle that shoveling snow ANY day!

littlesarbonn -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/29/2006 8:06:40 PM)
I was depressed for awhile, and I knew what was causing it. Finally, a friend asked me why I didn't just change what was depressing me. So I'm moving back to California. Be there in the middle of August. Not so depressed anymore.

popeye1250 -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/29/2006 8:57:30 PM)
Littlesarbonn, moving TO Calif would depress the hell out of me! It'd be like being sentenced to prison.

littlesarbonn -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/30/2006 6:13:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Littlesarbonn, moving TO Calif would depress the hell out of me! It'd be like being sentenced to prison. It's been the opposite for me. Living in Michigan was a prison, but with no hot, female prison guards.

mistoferin -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/30/2006 7:18:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DoctorDubious quote: ORIGINAL: ScooterTrash I have heard of people with depression (medically speaking), but have never witnessed it. To me it just seems like a generic coverall term for folks who can't seem to get past the "glass half empy" syndrome. Sure, things get tough, but you pull yourself up by the bootstraps and move on. Maybe it's just me, but I can't see letting the bad consequences in life get you down, it seems to make more sense (to me) to not just curl up in the corner, but get out there and change what has gone wrong. I know it's not that simple for someone with bonafide depression, but having had no first hand experience with it, it just seems that it's a lack of positive attitude when you are looking at it from the outside, looking in. I could never get depressed, I would be too busy trying to fix the problem. Hey Scooter... and all.... Bullshit. Ignorant, uninformed bullshit. Maybe even well-intentioned bullshit. but simply bullshit none the less. DD PS... this BS about "positive attitudes" is why talking therapies are almost useless for depression, and why serotonin re-uptake inhibitors work pretty well. Sorry, but I agree with Scooter. Now before anyone goes getting themselves into a snit let me qualify that. I think that Scooter was not referring to those who are clinically depressed. He can correct me if I'm wrong. I think that far too often people hide under the "depression" umbrella. There is a huge difference between clinical depression and being depressed over circumstance. In today's times, the moment that you say you are bummed out over something there is some Johnny-on-the-spot encouraging you to seek medical help. You take it to the doc and say I'm really depressed over ______ and suddenly you are taking a boat load of pharmaceuticals for your "clinical" depression. Life sucks sometimes and we can all get depressed over a situation or circumstance....that does not mean we are clinically depressed. Everyone is looking for the quick fix answer in the form of a pill for whatever it is that ails you. Sometimes, believe it or not, the answer really is to encourage someone to "pick themselves up by the bootstraps" and push forward. It's not the answer for someone who is actually clinically depressed and who has a brain chemistry issue....but it is the answer to someone who is just in a funk. When someone you know who is normally a Tigger in life starts acting like an Eeyore and that change is due to external life factors....it is most likely not a case of clinical depression. Clinical depression is something that starts within and external life factors have little influence on it. I think though, that we are medically treating an awful lot of people whose "condition" has no medical basis. Just the other day I was in a doctor's office and he asked me how I was doing mentally dealing with my physical illness. I have been off of work now since January, my next surgery is still over a month away and I know that I will not be able to return to work until December-ish at least. So my answer to him was..."I think I am doing really well....of course the money situation really sucks...but other than that I am maintaining a positive attitude. This too shall pass right?" His reply to me?....."Well if you'd like I could prescribe you some Zoloft to help you with that". Doctors are under pressure to prescribe drugs by patients who are seeking that quick fix. Many people feel that if they walk into a doctor's office and don't walk out with prescription in hand that the doctor has not done his job. So now this has led to many doctors treating conditions that require no treatment. Anti-depressants because you're finances are in a poor state???? Antibiotics every time someone walks in with a cold???? I explained to the doctor that I don't think that I will ever be the type of person who needs to take such a drug. I am a Tigger....now granted, there have been times in my life that I have been a sad or bummed out Tigger because of some outside circumstance....but I have never been an Eeyore. Unless something happens that triggers some chemical change within my brain...I will always still be a Tigger.

popeye1250 -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/30/2006 7:55:48 AM)
Mistoferin, you're right about doctors and drugs. I know a Nurse Practitioner who is married to a USCG Buddy of mine. She once told me that pharmaceutical companies are always inviting her to "Seminars" in places like Honolulu, Florida, here in Myrtle Beach etc and they give her a percentage for prescribing their drugs over another company's drugs. They even advertise anti-depressants on television! It's a multi-billion dollar industry!

mistoferin -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/30/2006 8:03:59 AM)
As I was waiting for my appointment the other day, three pharmaceutical reps came in and passed out their promotional "goodies" and asked if they could have "just 5 minutes" of the doctor's time. Of course, he obliged them. When I worked for a physician we would often get 10 to 15 reps a day. There are all kinds of "perks" for choosing their brand over another.

popeye1250 -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/30/2006 10:07:26 AM)
Yes, she mentioned that too! She was here in Myrtle Beach this past May for an "all-expenses-paid" convention at The Marriott right on the beach. I went to the hotel to pick her up and there were all kinds of booths with promo material from Pharmaceutical companies. And you knew just by looking just who these guys and gals were; $800 Hickey-Freeman suits everywhere!

openmindedslave -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/30/2006 11:17:19 AM)
the reality for many on here is that they recognize the depression. The sad truth is many don't and those are sometimes the ones that wounder why they seem not to keep anyone in their lives or think its the other person in their lives who is bringing them down when its really the other way around.

mistoferin -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/30/2006 11:19:23 AM)
There is no doubt about it....drugs are big money. It's sad though that as a patient you have to try to ascertain whether or not a doctor's motivations are curing a bonafide condition....or if they are interested in trips, gifts and kickbacks. Many will say that is extreme...but I really don't think it is.

dominmd -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/30/2006 11:59:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DoctorDubious quote: ORIGINAL: ScooterTrash I have heard of people with depression (medically speaking), but have never witnessed it. To me it just seems like a generic coverall term for folks who can't seem to get past the "glass half empy" syndrome. Sure, things get tough, but you pull yourself up by the bootstraps and move on. Maybe it's just me, but I can't see letting the bad consequences in life get you down, it seems to make more sense (to me) to not just curl up in the corner, but get out there and change what has gone wrong. I know it's not that simple for someone with bonafide depression, but having had no first hand experience with it, it just seems that it's a lack of positive attitude when you are looking at it from the outside, looking in. I could never get depressed, I would be too busy trying to fix the problem. Hey Scooter... and all.... Bullshit. Ignorant, uninformed bullshit. Maybe even well-intentioned bullshit. but simply bullshit none the less. DD PS... this BS about "positive attitudes" is why talking therapies are almost useless for depression, and why serotonin re-uptake inhibitors work pretty well. Damn right Doc. I have been diagnosed with Severe Depression and Anxiety disorder. It is a proven fact that the depression is a chemical imbalance within the brain. My anxiety stems from mutiple shootings during my duties as a security contractor. The thought that one can just pull themselves up is complete and utter bullshit. Talking may help in some regards, but medications sometimes have to be utilized to allow a person to funtion. And in that, the person must find ways to cope and move on as well. But a "just screw it and move" on attitude can serve some, but hurt others. Say that to a person who is depressed and contemplating suicide and you will get a suicide.

ShiftedJewel -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/30/2006 1:37:45 PM)
quote: I know it's not that simple for someone with bonafide depression, but having had no first hand experience with it, it just seems that it's a lack of positive attitude when you are looking at it from the outside, looking in. Ummm, I'm guessing you skipped over a few posts... right? Considering that Scooter explained that he was talking about people that simply used the "excuse" of being depressed... along with the post erin made to further explain that he wasn't referring to those that are "clinically depressed". He also stated that he personally had never met anyone that was clinically depressed and these observations were made from seeing those that use it as a crutch rather then those that really do suffer from it. So, how about you read the whole sentence, huh? *Jewel*

cacodylic -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/30/2006 8:03:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ScooterTrash That is why I made clear the point that I haven't witnessed it. Without having seen it, it is difficult to understand. Even having witnessed it, it would be hard to understand... experiencing it, on the other hand, could lead to real understanding of what it's like from the inside. Even having that understanding, it is very hard for the sufferers to overcome. Antidepressant medication may not be needed in many cases, and even if it is, it alone will rarely be sufficient.

popeye1250 -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/30/2006 8:09:34 PM)
And you have to realize that it's not "your fault."

QuietDom -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/30/2006 8:35:17 PM)
If anyone feels that they need to 'witness' depression to understand it, I can turn my webcam on. Mine has been absolutely rampant today.

SusanofO -> RE: Depression in your life and play (7/30/2006 8:41:01 PM)
Quiet Dom: Always the solution-oriented guy! We all love you! HUGS! HUGS! here's another HUG! If you want to tell us if there was a reason it was rampant, you can feel free. If not, that's okay too. Maybe it was just one of those extra bad days.We like you just the way you are. Really.[:)] - Susan

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