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RE: Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible? - 10/24/2017 4:53:47 AM

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I think his (Ray's) effort to social commentary was by far the best.

I read that he pissed off some segment of the working class with songs such as Waterloo Sunset and Autumn Almanac, et al.

The lyrics were a bit harsh, but mostly truthful in any case.

But he didn't wait for the '70s to get that going. Maybe not for the whole album, but we have to recall how up in the air things were in the '60s.

So then we have A Well Respected Man (1965) and Dedicated Follower Of Fashion and Sunny Afternoon (1966).

No holding back, there.

Some have pointed out that The Beatles mostly mimicked the R&B they took after in their singing. Yes, we could hear the British here and there, But Ray Davies spoke/sang in native tongue almost always.

Very true, but he did start sounding a lot more English during the '70s. That's when the music hall stuff started coming in in a big way, isn't it?

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RE: Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible? - 10/24/2017 5:44:26 AM

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When he inserted all the trombones and trumpets, you mean?

I think Ray Davies became somewhat 'theatrical' soon after the early hits.

I can't answer as to what he got into in the '70s, but I think it was just continuation and furtherance in any case.

I remember Joni Mitchel saying something like "an artist needs to keep spreading out, or he (or she) will die."

It's so long after the fact that it's hard to wrap our heads around the fact that I Want To Hold Your Hand or My Generation were actually big jumps for those songwriters.

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RE: Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible? - 10/24/2017 8:28:04 AM

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Yep, and added a keyboards player to the band full time.
One nice story about Davies is that when the Kinks signed to RCA it was in the new contract that he had to stop doing concept albums,

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RE: Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible? - 10/27/2017 5:46:06 AM

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Nostalgia and more bands were formed in the mid 60s after this particular poll. Never has a single city of half a million people produced so many groups anywhere in the world. A Seaport City with its own distinct dialects and food called Scouse, a type of Lamb Stew.

n 1962, Mersey Beat held a poll to find out who was the most popular Merseyside group. The results were announced on 4 January 1962:

1. The Beatles
2. Gerry and the Pacemakers
3. The Remo Four
4. Rory Storm and the Hurricanes
5. Johnny Sandon and The Searchers
6. Kingsize Taylor and the Dominoes
7. The Big Three
8. The Strangers
9. Faron & The Flamingos[20]
10. The Four Jays[21]
11. Ian and the Zodiacs[22]
12. The Undertakers
13. Earl Preston & The TTs
14. Mark Peters and the Cyclones[23]
15. Karl Terry and the Cruisers[24]
16. Derry and the Seniors
17. Steve and the Syndicate
18. Dee Fenton and the Silhouettes
19. Billy Kramer and the Coasters
20. Dale Roberts and the Jaywalkers

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RE: Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible? - 10/27/2017 10:46:42 AM

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Never has a single city of half a million people produced so many groups anywhere in the world.

Manchester? Detroit? Seattle? Glasgow? Leeds? Birmingham? Newcastle? Wherever in Norway it was they formed half of the black metal bands?
I appreciate your civic pride (and Liverpool did much better bands after the '60s IMO: The Bunnymen, Frankie, Teardrop Explodes, The Las, you name it)* but there's a few othe smallish cities with a good rep for churning out pop groups...

*(Not the fucking Farm, though. Dearie me.)

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RE: Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible? - 10/28/2017 6:37:24 AM

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Never has a single city of half a million people produced so many groups anywhere in the world.

Manchester? Detroit? Seattle? Glasgow? Leeds? Birmingham? Newcastle? Wherever in Norway it was they formed half of the black metal bands?
I appreciate your civic pride (and Liverpool did much better bands after the '60s IMO: The Bunnymen, Frankie, Teardrop Explodes, The Las, you name it)* but there's a few othe smallish cities with a good rep for churning out pop groups...

*(Not the fucking Farm, though. Dearie me.)

None of the cities you named as ever produced as many bands that were repeat number one hits as those from Liverpool, England. A tough city with a lousy rainy climate for most of the year and icy river Mersey and Irish Sea winds and that's just in mid Summer.

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RE: Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible? - 11/4/2017 5:36:06 AM

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Was Cilla Black from Liverpool?

All I remember was stories of her and the Beatles riding on the same bus from one show to the next, ~'62-'64.

I know that her voice can be considered as a bit 'cutting,' sometimes, but the 'larf a minute' having her and J Lennon on board at the same time must have been quite something.

She was a sharp lady, in a good way.

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RE: Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible? - 11/4/2017 5:51:00 AM

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The Bunnymen, Frankie, Teardrop Explodes, The Las, you name it.

Oh thank you!. No way can I keep up with all this stuff.

And here I was, worried about the only thing we had to present from this side was The Butthole Surfers. I am so embarrassed even saying that, but that's all there is, apparently. Or was. Nothing lasts forever.

I think we had bands like 'Hollywood Goes to Frankie' or "Disturbed Heads" or "Talking Pixiels" and things like that.

We did our best.

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