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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 2:35:16 AM   
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I see "left" leaning more towards socialism.

And "right" leaning more towards capitalism.


There are many different kinds of socialism.
There are many different kinds of capitalism.

It doesn't matter what the situation is like in any specific country because every country will be different.
What matters is the desired result.

Libertarian socialists want an egalitarian society not through a strong centralized government but through voluntary associations.
You can't call them right wing, and can't say they want to increase the size of government.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 2:35:47 AM   
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Prior to trying to get something bad banned. They need to justify why it needs to be ban.

I think if Republicans will agree to banning bump stocks.

Ah, there we have a legitimate conspiracy theory: Someone else shot at the crowd from Paddock's rooms and the innocent Paddock himself was afterwards sacrificed to take the blame. The sole purpose of the conspiracy was to get bump stocks banned.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 2:45:09 AM   
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Prior to trying to get something bad banned. They need to justify why it needs to be ban.

I think if Republicans will agree to banning bump stocks.

Ah, there we have a legitimate conspiracy theory: Someone else shot at the crowd from Paddock's rooms and the innocent Paddock himself was afterwards sacrificed to take the blame. The sole purpose of the conspiracy was to get bump stocks banned.

Why would a conspiracy be needed to get bump stocks banned?

The other straight forward story is Paddock himself bought loads of bump stock to modify his weapons to nearly automatic speed. That's good enough reason to get bump stocks banned.

As technically, fully automatic is not suppose to be available in hands of regular gun owners like him. So modifying it is a loophole to go around this. And they need to shut down this legal loophole.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 3:02:28 AM   
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I've heard Russian Bluegrass. I love "Steve N' Seagulls" bit of Finnish bluegrass. Russian fusion jazz is wonderful.

I have eclectic taste in music and lately have been mixing up Nightcore, J-Pop, and NeoPagan Folk out of germany.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLgM1QJ3S_I


merc, I recently got turned on to a Swedish folk duo called "first aid kit" whose music im enjoying greatly. they sound like a combination of simon & Garfunkel meets the Dixie chicks. in fact they do a really nice rendition of "America."

and a thought concerning the last few pages of the conversation: there is evil in the world, and all the regulations and laws man can pass will not eradicate it.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 5:43:16 AM   
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Nnanji I would understand your position IF gun control would not work.... but it does and has been proven over and over. Do you know there were more gun homicides in St Louis alone last year than in all of the United Kingdom.

So the argument that gun control will not reduce gun related injury and death is bull... What it comes down to is are we willing to sacrifice your pleasure in owning certain type of weapons to reduce mass murders. You don't meed an ar 15 for home defense or hunting... it is only for pleasure... can't you give that up to save lives?

Butch

Wrong on several counts.

First it is proven, and I have provided the proof to you repeatedly that
for every crime committed with a firearm 4 are stopped.
No. That is sheerest fantasy on your part. There is zero evidence to support this claim.


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Second smaller people are much better off with a.223 than with a 12ga.
No, they're better off without a gun in the house, because having one in the house vastly increases their chances of being shot.


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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 5:46:03 AM   
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Look, I've been thrown in jail in Singapore for trying to leave the country with one handgun bullet in my carry on lugauge.

Hey I would have been thrown into jail for having pepper spray. So we locals know that things like bullets, pepper spray, banned things, are just not allowed. I am sorry you got in trouble for that.
We just don't like people having any form of potential weapons at all. And our crime and death by criminal act statistics correlated with our safety methods.

I just never understood the idea of people preferring to live in a more dangerous environment. Rather than give up insignificant freedoms that enhance over all safety for all, that does not even affect one's life. I don't feel like not being able to touch a bullet or own a gun has made my life limited in any way. If Singaporean wants to hunt, they can go Malaysia to do so.

I agree, you dont understand freedom. That's why you are happy there and I would not be.

"Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
And people who use that quote CLEARLY have no fucking idea what it's about. It does not support your stance.

http://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245038/ben-franklins-famous-liberty-safety-quote-lost-its-context-in-21st-century

"SIEGEL: So far from being a pro-privacy quotation, if anything, it's a pro-taxation and pro-defense spending quotation.

WITTES: It is a quotation that defends the authority of a legislature to govern in the interests of collective security. It means, in context, not quite the opposite of what it's almost always quoted as saying but much closer to the opposite than to the thing that people think it means."


You're welcome.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 5:54:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		nnanji, I think youd really like this:

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/10/05/nothing-makes-liberals-angrier-than-us-normals-insisting-on-our-rights-n2390586

oh no comrades, townhall!!

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 6:07:21 AM   
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Firearms are't exactly my area of expertise, but there must be some simple, easily reversible method of disarming a firearm.

I take your point about this particular piece of vermin not being a genuine collector but a 'hoarder'. Again it doesn't seem a particularly difficult task to distinguish one from the other. Hoarding is generally regarded as a mild mental disorder, a condition that is usually harmless. It seems to me to be quite reasonable for society to know why an individual with this condition is hoarding large caches of high powered weapons.

Possibly the most disturbing factor in this shocking incident is the apparent 'normality' of the shooter. He's a seemingly sane, ageing, white, successful, middle class individual, so law abiding that he didn't even get parking tickers, so 'normal' that no one around him recognised any indicator of the evil he was planning. The degree of planning he put into designing and executing this horror is such that a legal defence of 'insanity' would not be accepted by the courts.

Thus far, the only indicators of potential malevolence are his secret hoards of weapons and explosives. Why on earth would an elderly accountant be purchasing explosives? Why on earth would an elderly accountant be purchasing the extensive hoard of weapons he bought? These seem to be the only points identified thus far where some intervention might have led to a very different outcome.




Ever read the stuff written about Ted Bundy, or any of the other more famous serial killers.

Every one of them seemed perfectly sane and ordinary, there is truth to the old saying "its the quiet ones you need to worry about."

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 6:07:33 AM   
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you only care about your rights
not anyone elses.

The left want everyone to have the same rights.
Not given and taken away by angry old white christians.
you dont know the meaning of the words equal rights.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 6:15:58 AM   
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your rights?
you only care about your rights
not anyone elses.

The left want everyone to have the same rights.
Not given and taken away by angry old white christians.
you dont know the meaning of the words equal rights.


I was reading about people with family or spouses who died at las vegas shooting. And ya know, it's obviously a concert that is majority pro-gun people. One woman saw her husband shot down right beside her, her husband died protecting her.

But I realise that, many of them say that, this guy got guns legally, and his background check is clean. It was unavoidable.

They do not feel there is any need for increase gun control.

And after reading that, it's like, my only conclusion is. As I said to Nanji.

Living in danger as long as they can continue to have guns is their idea of paradise and an ideal world.

And maybe the world shouldn't even fuss about this incident.

Because like, the people involve in it, think it's okay that this happened and are okay if it happens again. Because they believe their current gun safety laws is good enough and the frequency of such incidents is no big deal.

PS: One thing about my x-dom. He was a Brit who love lawlessness and love guns. And chose to live in a gun legal country where he could stock up guns and shoot people who trespass his yard. One of the reason I couldn't live with him is he thrives in dangerous environment. He could live anywhere he wants in this whole freaking world and he just wants to be in a place where, there is some of the slackiest gun laws. I felt so terrified being out there. He was x-military, was where he pick up his love for guns. And shooting. I remembered having constant fights with him about how can we raise kids safely in such an environment! He was already dreaming of teaching our kids how to shoot. I cannot understand the obsession of a weapon who's sole purpose is killing animals or humans.



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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 6:16:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		while I remind everyone that the left continues to not be able to accurately express the actual positions of those on the other side, hang on, im looking for the hysterical laughter smiley...

here we go...



sorry there though, for a moment I forgot I was a sexist, racist, misogynist, islamaphobe, transphobe, homophobe and any other derogatory term the left can think of consistent with identity politics.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 6:18:36 AM   
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while I remind everyone that the left continues to not be able to accurately express the actual positions of those on the other side, hang on, im looking for the hysterical laughter smiley...

calling the left comrades is if course "accurately expressing any positions of those on the other side".
You hypocritical old fool

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 6:20:03 AM   
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Because like, the people involve in it, think it's okay that this happened.


greta, wtf??

they most seriously do not think its okay.

what they think is, in a fallen world bad things happen, and those bad things cannot ever be eliminated without compromising the liberty that so many people value.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 6:20:15 AM   
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your rights?
you only care about your rights
not anyone elses.

The left want everyone to have the same rights.
Not given and taken away by angry old white christians.
you dont know the meaning of the words equal rights.


I was reading about people with family or spouses who died at las vegas shooting. And ya know, it's obviously a concert that is majority pro-gun people. One woman saw her husband shot down right beside her, her husband died protecting her.

But I realise that, many of them say that, this guy got guns legally, and his background check is clean. It was unavoidable.

They do not feel there is any need for increase gun control.

And after reading that, it's like, my only conclusion is. As I said to Nanji.

Living in danger as long as they can continue to have guns is their idea of paradise and an ideal world.

And maybe the world shouldn't even fuss about this incident.

Because like, the people involve in it, think it's okay that this happened and are okay if it happens again. Because they believe their current gun safety laws is good enough and the frequency of such incidents is no big deal.

very little happened after sandy hook with the 26 kids dying, nothing will change their minds, but all other violence is evil...massacres are the price of freedom.


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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 6:23:11 AM   
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while I remind everyone that the left continues to not be able to accurately express the actual positions of those on the other side, hang on, im looking for the hysterical laughter smiley...

calling the left comrades is if course "accurately expressing any positions of those on the other side".
You hypocritical old fool


ive explained this before. calling the left "comrades" is a tongue in cheek way of saying youre all of a collectivist stripe. communist, socialist, democratic socialist, nanny state, pro-government, etc.

see irony.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 6:29:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		oh , so its a "joke" but "everyone" left is guilty of identity politics and not able to see the difference.

republicunt, is s my tongue in cheek way of describing right wingers, I will now use it with every right winger, because you are all the same???
nah I dont think you would appreciate that. because I know my republican friends wouldnt like it, if I did that.
so I wont, also I dont think like that.
however its a joke, no big deal right?
so thank you for telling me its ok to use any word I wish, as long as its///"tongue in cheek"//


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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 6:35:18 AM   
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while I remind everyone that the left continues to not be able to accurately express the actual positions of those on the other side, hang on, im looking for the hysterical laughter smiley...

calling the left comrades is if course "accurately expressing any positions of those on the other side".
You hypocritical old fool


ive explained this before. calling the left "comrades" is a tongue in cheek way of saying youre all of a collectivist stripe. communist, socialist, democratic socialist, nanny state, pro-government, etc.

see irony.


But all it really does is prove how ignorant you are.
So basically, it serves the same function as everything else you post.

Stop being redundant, bounty.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 6:38:35 AM   
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greta, wtf??

they most seriously do not think its okay.

what they think is, in a fallen world bad things happen, and those bad things cannot ever be eliminated without compromising the liberty that so many people value.


Of course they think it's okay. Because if they don't think it's okay. They would want to do something about it.

Like when you cannot tell a good Muslim from a bad Muslims. You ban them all until you can figure out a better way to tell. This was done for the safety of America.

So when you cannot tell a good gun owner to a bad gun owner. Shouldn't everyone gun buying be put on hold until they figure a better way to prevent guns going into bad guys hands?

I am more concern about prevention.

At this moment, NOBODY from the Right wants to even consider there could be a solution to this problem.

The conclusion seem to be, there is nothing they can do to prevent this.

That is saying it is okay, and nothing has to be done.

And when you got the victims who lost their family in this shoot out also saying the same thing, that this is okay, no gun laws need any changing. That is saying this is okay.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 6:47:53 AM   
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I cannot understand the obsession of a weapon who's sole purpose is killing animals or humans.

You are a slave. You shouldn't worry about such things.

You do have the right, though, to demand of your master to live in an environment where you feel and are safe. It is his job to provide you with protection and safety.


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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/5/2017 6:49:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		my freakin' goodness no greta, they do want to do something about it, just not what the left suggests. and that's where the argument always goes, to what the left wants. and if the right doesn't do what the left thinks, they are all complicit or they don't care.

the notion that "there is nothing they can do to prevent this" does not lead to "its okay."


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