Lucylastic
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Aaaaaah, it sounds like you are saying "abortion seeking women" should be forced to carry to full term so childless couples can have a freebie?
If so why??
If not, please clarify.
Because it certainly didnt sound like sarcasm.
It isnt taboo and many women do choose adoption.
My sister went thru that whole mess with IVF, for years. She considered adoption, but didnt qualify at the time, it was a nightmare for her and her husband, I dont envy what childless couples go through at all.
But at the expense of a womans liberty, I fucking do.
PS Im pro choice, not pro abortion.
A pregnant woman has decided not to abort. Her choice, her decision, her body.
Someone who kills the fetus of a woman who is pregnant by choice is killing a wanted future child. And taking away that mothers choice, and possibly her life, certainly her health.
That you dont see it is because you dont believe in choice and chose not to see it.
Lucy, let me begin my answer with this:
I have seen and heard women who support abortion turn and say in their next breath that killers of pregnant women should be charged with two counts of manslaughter or murder.
Then go right back to screaming that abortion is okay because it is not a living person.
Opinions are like assholes and inconsistencies are always there
A pregnant woman has decided not to abort. Her choice, her decision, her body.
Someone who kills the fetus of a woman who is pregnant by choice is killing a wanted future child. And taking away that mothers choice, and possibly her life, certainly her health.
Now, if the fetus in a pregnant woman constitutes a legal reason to file a second murder or manslaughter charge, remembering that murder is the intentional killing of a human and manslaughter is the unintended causing the death of a human, then how in the fucking hell is it any different if the woman chooses to have a fucking abortion?
A pregnant woman has decided not to abort. Her choice, her decision, her body.
Someone who kills the fetus of a woman who is pregnant by choice is killing a wanted future child. And taking away that mothers choice, and possibly her life, certainly her health.
And, as for freebie? There is nothing free about raising a child.
There is nothing free about being forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. let alone raising it.
But if these hypocrites can support, condone and scream for the second count involving the killing of an expectant mother and the unborn child, then, they should shut the fuck up about abortion being the best fucking alternative.
A pregnant woman has decided not to abort. Her choice, her decision, her body.
Someone who kills the fetus of a woman who is pregnant by choice is killing a wanted future child. And taking away that mothers choice, and possibly her life, certainly her health.
And when adoption is mentioned to these same idiots, then you get the 'what force a woman to carry to term' bullshit.
Because that is EXACTLY what it entails. FORCE
And as I said before, the government does not have the right or authority to legislate what a woman chooses to do, however, my personal view is that it is morally wrong to consider abortion as a common means for birth control.
Your consideration is noticed, but morally you have no right to force your views on another humans body
In the cases of rape or incest, yes the victim should have the option.
If the mother's life is in jeopardy if she continues the pregnancy, yes the choice should be hers.
But when you hear some woman say, "well if I get pregnant, I can always get an abortion" it falls under the category of fucking bullshit.
How many woman have you heard say it???? how many women do you know, compared to those who have said, I can always get an abortion.
And when current research indicates that 45% of woman who have had abortions have had more than one, there is a problem. I would also point out that the problems are not that they are having more than one abortion, the problems are the reasons they feel it is necessary. These range from long term economic problems to the simple fact that they will get lower quality health care if they tried to carry the baby to term, which seems to be the main one. Source
Interesting that you couldnt direct me to the actual "current research" Or pay attention to the methodology, or the several reasons why a woman may have had more than one abortion.
And of course, there are some who will say that because the majority of these women are in minority groups, that is the reason.
All races have abortions. All religions and all ages, up to menopause and sometimes beyond
The simple fact is that, at least in a significant number of women who get abortions, there is no real choice. If they keep the baby, they may not get adequate health care and then there is the fact that economically speaking, they may not be able to provide for the child without assistance.
In both instances, it is not the fault of the mother.
Health care in the US is primarily a luxury for the middle class and up, and Obamacare did not help that very much. Even with the Obamacare subsidized health insurance plans, the copay is out of the reach for most who got them.
Depending on the state, medicaid finances from between 27%(NH) and 72%(NM) of births.
Then there are the economic factors.
Yes, there have been a lot of new jobs created, and the projection through 2022 is for even more, healthcare, healthcare support, construction, and personal care fields, but jobs requiring skilled workers are also showing potential for increase.
I use the word potential, because skilled jobs require education past the high school level, either in specialized technical schools or 2 and 4 year degrees.
There in lies the rub.
Inner city schools where the majority of those on some form of assistance and fall into that 45% number of women getting multiple abortions went to school produce the lowest percentage of graduates who actually go to college or a technical school.
And with the schools producing higher number of college bound and applied technical school bound graduates are actually not in those inner city areas.
Of course, the American Public education system is no longer the best in the world, hell it aint even in the top ten.
So those skilled jobs are probably going to be sent to countries that actually support, push for and value public education, which means a lot of low paying jobs in the US flipping burgers or doing jobs that have no chance at any decent future, thus leaving women with no choice but abortion.
And Lucy, to be quite blunt, the majority of American women who get abortions are in the lower income brackets, and you cannot tell me that they actually had a real choice.
Who in their right mind would want to bring a child into a neighborhood where crime, drug addiction, poverty and barely livable housing is the norm, not the exception?
So while I am personally opposed to the idea of abortion as a form of common birth control, and oppose the government legislating what a woman can do or not do concerning her body, and would prefer that adoption be looked at more often, I have this to say:
The 'pro choice' argument is a load of bullshit, the simple fact that in all reality, most of the women who get abortions have no real choice. A choice means that, all things being equal, there would be little impact of either keeping the child or having an abortion.
Furthermore, abortion is not a moral or ethical problem, it is the problem of a society that creates the situation where an expectant mother considers the unborn is better off aborted.
And anyone that calls that a real choice has a much poorer outlook on human civilization than I do, because it makes it clear that the women making that choice have little chance for something better.
the economic issue is way to vast and convoluted, to use against women and their pregnancies, it is ultimately far more intimate than that..
Abortion IS actually down, you know why???
sex education, access to birthcontrol and education.
NOT religion, not morals, NOT forced birth.
NOT forcing anyone to carry a child into this fucked up excuse for a world.
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