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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/13/2017 2:11:01 PM   
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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/13/2017 2:11:27 PM   
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/medicare-advantage-plans-2018-finding-health-insurance/

For those of us in rural areas, some doctors are kinda refusing to take any new Medicare patients due to the opiate addictions going around. I mainly need pain management because I do overuse my back a lot, chiro care for the same thing, GYN services due to family history of reproductive cancers, diabetes care (but I pay OOP for my teststrips). This past week, I think my AC in my shoulder has finally gave out which means I might need surgery. I also get treatment for 3 mental illnesses, one being PTSD which flared up when the damned news were showing damned clips of the Vegas shootings (too much to be in the same room, I can't even stand fireworks). If Frump gets his way, I am fucked over 20 ways from Sunday.

Dear christ.
Why in hell's name do the military and its veterans keep voting republican? I find it hard to believe the democrats could manage to treat you even half as shittily.


simple,.... the gop always get into military spending. which most WW2 Vets favor, but what the Vets don't understand is the spending the gop does is always on new armaments, new ships, new planes like the "osprey" that wasted millions in development before it got even remotely usable, all because the stocks those companies who have those federal contract's, are owned by the gop's real constituents.... the 1%.

they spend in comparison crap on the rank & file, and renege on promises to Vets & their spouses.....all in favor of cost cutting, and tax cuts to the wealthy.


Well yes, but isn't it completely obvious that this is what they're doing, and that military spending is just an excuse to throw money at contractors who won't produce anything functional for at least a decade? You'd think people who were actually in the armed forces would be more aware of this sort of shite, rather than less so.

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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/13/2017 3:29:16 PM   
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Fuck the cake...let them all die. I mean, who in the fuck cares anymore ?

That's what Americans did a whole lot more of than just 3-4 years younger than Europeans and Canadians now...before Medicare.

In America, you are born, you are to then make a profit for yourself or somebody else, or just go to jail...or die. Preferably and at great cost-savings, you'll die in jail.

But don't despair, grandma and grandpa will be Soylent Green and providing a great patriotic service. Yea...yea, there is also to be Soylent Red and Yellow but they are still working on that. I wonder if their will be lawsuits over being forced to eat your grandparents ?



You can forget about Soylent Green: Americans have been unfit for human consumption since the '50s. Did you never see those pro-DDT PSA films?

No and DDT is nasty shit isn't it ? Seemed to get into everything. But you may be right since I read that ALL human beings have an average of .01% of Benzene in their blood.

Geee, I just can't imagine where that came from. So when they eat me, they can just spit that part out.

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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/13/2017 3:54:49 PM   
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Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments To Insurers
President Donald Trump plans to halt payments to health insurance companies serving the poorest customers on the Obamacare exchanges, the White House announced Thursday.

Trump has threatened to withhold these funds, valued at $7 billion this year, since shortly after his election victory last November. The threats alone have roiled the health insurance market, and if he follows through, it promises to be significantly disruptive. Trump will make an announcement Friday, according to Politico, which first reported the news.

In Trump’s mind, dealing damage to the Obamacare market is a means to achieve leverage he believes will force congressional Democrats to cooperate with replacing the Affordable Care Act, the law President Barack Obama signed in 2010 that has brought the number of uninsured Americans to a historic low.

Trump has been undermining the law and its programs since he took office in January, and he has ramped up his efforts in recent weeks in the aftermath of his failure to get the Affordable Care Act repealed by Congress. Earlier Thursday, Trump signed an executive order directing federal agencies to change regulations to allow insurers to sell policies that exclude people with pre-existing conditions and have skimpier benefits than insurance governed by the Affordable Care Act.

The mere possibility that Trump would refuse to pay money owed to health insurance companies created additional instability in market. Insurers are raising premiums for next year even more than they would have as they try to protect themselves against financial losses if the federal government reneges on its obligations.

The open-enrollment period on health insurance exchanges, such as HealthCare.gov and Covered California, begins Nov. 1, less than three weeks from now.

The payments Trump plans to end are related to so-called cost-sharing reductions offered to insurance exchange enrollees who earn up to 250 percent of the federal poverty level, which is $30,150 for a single person. These subsidies serve to reduce out-of-pocket expenses for low-income people by shrinking their deductibles, co-payments and the like.

Almost 6 million people, or 57 percent of Obamacare enrollees, qualified for these subsidies when they enrolled this year, according to the Department of Health and Human Services.

Under the Affordable Care Act, health insurance companies are required to reduce this cost-sharing. The federal government is supposed to reimburse them for the cost, and it has since exchange plans went live in January 2014.

Trump will change that soon. He has the authority to do so because of a lawsuit then-House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) brought against Obama in 2014. House Republicans claimed Obama illegally made these payments without an explicit congressional appropriation of the funding.

A federal judge sided with House Republicans last year but allowed Obama to continue paying back insurers while the case went through the appeals process.

But when Trump succeeded Obama as president, his administration became the defendant in the case, raising doubt about how Trump and House Republicans would proceed. The parties in the lawsuit have obtained several delays in the proceedings in the meantime. The appeals court ruled in August that the attorneys general from 17 states and the District of Columbia are permitted take up the defense, based on the state officials’ concerns that the Trump administration would fail to do so.

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman announced Thursday that he and those other attorneys general are prepared to sue Trump over the cost-sharing reduction payments.

“Based on guidance from the Department of Justice, the Department of Health and Human Services has concluded that there is no appropriation for cost-sharing reduction payments to insurance companies under Obamacare. In light of this analysis, the government cannot lawfully make the cost-sharing reduction payments. The United States House of Representatives sued the previous administration in federal court for making these payments without such an appropriation, and the court agreed that the payments were not lawful. The bailout of insurance companies through these unlawful payments is yet another example of how the previous administration abused taxpayer dollars and skirted the law to prop up a broken system. Congress needs to repeal and replace the disastrous Obamacare law and provide real relief to the American people.”
Congress could address the cost-sharing reduction payments issue by authorizing the spending in legislation but has not done so.

The immediate effect of Trump pulling the cost-sharing reduction payments will be mixed. Health insurance exchange customers who earn too much to qualify for subsidies will have to bear the full brunt of the premium increases insurers instituted to protect themselves. Those customers who receive subsidies will mostly be shielded from the rate hikes because their subsidies will rise along with the premiums.

Ironically, cutting off these payments to health insurance companies will actually cost taxpayers more than continuing them. Because higher premiums mean bigger subsidies, federal spending will rise by almost $200 billion, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

The news about the cost-sharing reduction payments comes just hours after Trump signed an executive order that could shake up the Affordable Care Act’s insurance markets ― and quite possibly hobble them more.

Looking ahead, however, ending the payments jeopardizes the future of the exchanges. Many major health insurance companies already have pulled out of the marketplaces, citing financial losses. In future years, it’s likely fewer companies will want to participate in the exchanges knowing might not get expected payments. Some parts of the country would have no health insurance carriers in operation under this scenario, the Congressional Budget Office predicted.

Experts and a variety of health care groups immediately warned that the new insurance plans the executive order might allow would also draw healthy people out of the Affordable Care Act markets, forcing insurers to raise premiums or shut down plans altogether ― leaving the people who want or need comprehensive coverage with fewer, more expensive options, or none at all.

These are the latest moves Trump has made to weaken the health insurance exchanges:

The administration has severely cut back on the Department of Health and Human Services’ programs to promote health insurance enrollment, including major reductions in advertising and in-person assistance. The administration also halved the sign-up period to six weeks and plans to take the HealthCare.gov website down for as long as 12 hours every Sunday during the enrollment campaign.

The Department of Health and Human Services also spent money intended for enrollment support on a campaign that criticizes the programs it’s supposed to be managing.



But, I will be able to keep my doctor this time.

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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/13/2017 4:04:33 PM   
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Fucking his base again.
Poor whites who are barely getting by. I work with a bunch of them and they LOVE him.



You misunderstand. The "bunch of them" are "poor" but not stupid enough to think they are actually insured by the ACA. They LOVE him because he speaks truth and even if it is bad news it's appreciated because instinctively the "poor" hate being lied to. Let's be honest now for once, we all know Obama lied about the ACA to get it passed. I think "poor" is an inaccurate description for these people.

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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/13/2017 4:07:03 PM   
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Since Chump's whole endgame is fucking America up the collective ass with his teeny tiny barbed wire wrapped orange penis and no lube, this doesnt surprise me in the least. Make America Great, my ass. More like tearing America apart bit by bit with his tiny little baby hands


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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/13/2017 4:20:54 PM   
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No surprise, he said a while back he would do it if Congress didn't repeal it.

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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/13/2017 4:25:29 PM   
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No surprise, he said a while back he would do it if Congress didn't repeal it.


True. No surprise. He said he would get rid of the ACA when running, he was voted in to do so and he is doing so. It's like a contract to him, vote for me and I will do this for you, so he does it however way is possible. No surprise. It would surprise me if he did not do something like this.

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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/13/2017 4:30:20 PM   
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~FRing it~

Since Chump's whole endgame is fucking America up the collective ass with his teeny tiny barbed wire wrapped orange penis and no lube, this doesnt surprise me in the least. Make America Great, my ass. More like tearing America apart bit by bit with his tiny little baby hands



This hate thing is not good for you. You know that 22 your daddy gave you for Christmas when you were eleven? lose it.

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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/13/2017 4:33:10 PM   
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to add to the picture, because im sure the comrades care about the truth:

"Bravo: Trump Makes Three Correct, Controversial Decisions on Obamacare, Iran and the UN"

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The Trump administration is facing searing criticism over a trio of significant decisions this week, all of which are eminently defensible, if not entirely correct. (1) On Obamacare's cost sharing subsidies, an issue we touched on a number of weeks ago, the president has decided to cease making payments of dollars that were never appropriated by Congress -- a task for which they are solely responsible under the constitution. When the legislative branch failed to approve bailout-style "cost sharing" dollars to be paid to insurers to mitigate their financial losses associated with covering consumers with costly pre-existing conditions (which weren't sufficiently offset by an influx of young, healthy people willing to overpay for coverage), President Obama started paying out those funds unilaterally. The House of Representatives, then led by Speaker John Boehner, sued in federal court -- and won. Obama's payouts were illegal, the court ruled, agreeing with House Republicans' legal argument. With the Trump administration announcement that they are ceasing those payments, all three branches of the federal government have now affirmed that the previous White House's actions were unlawful. This is really all you need to know:

2. Critics of Trump’s decision to end CSR payments seem to forget a federal judge called them unconstitutional and ordered that they stop.
— Michael F. Cannon (@mfcannon) October 13, 2017


It is undeniable that this move will severely disrupt the individual healthcare market in America, and that providers will move en masse toward even larger premium increases to compensate for the additional red ink they're now highly likely to incur. This is a profoundly negative policy outcome that will exacerbate already-serious financial stresses and dysfunction caused by Obamacare's failing structure. These fundamental flaws and spiraling dynamics predate Donald Trump, and cannot be accurately pinned on Republican "saboteurs." If left unaddressed, the cessation of CSR's will make things worse. Meanwhile, Republicans have failed to 'repeal and replace' the law in its entirety, as they promised to do for seven years. The president's executive order on healthcare regulations unveiled this week (about which I have some constitutional doubts) may tinker around the edges to help some people currently priced out of Obamacare, but it's hardly a sweeping solution. With the unconstitutionally-allocated CSR's getting the axe, the GOP-held Congress now faces a dilemma: Properly appropriate those funds, which were authorized in Obamacare (which Obamacare opponents will decry as propping up a harmful law that's hurting people), or let costs spike much higher than they already have (which Obamacare proponents will cast as undermining the law and hurting people).

Thanks to their repeal face-plants, Congressional Republicans' least bad remaining option appears to be shepherding through a "fix" for the broken law that restores these stabilizing pay-offs to insurers in exchange for some modest reforms. Lamar Alexander and Patty Murray have been working on the contours of such a bill for some time now. Just as with DACA, Congress must act to prevent unjust and harmful outcomes from taking effect after illegal Obama power-grabs disappear. But also just as with DACA, this is the job of Congress, not the executive branch. As you hear table-pounding over the adverse effects of Trump's move here, including anger over the people it will hurt, and how unpopular it is (ridiculous poll questions aside), re-read the tweets above. Obama's policy was against the law. We are a nation of laws. Thus, the Trump administration is absolutely right to respect the rule of law. Republicans and Democrats are now -- rightly -- in charge of cleaning up the mess that Democrats made with their shoddy law, which they built and sold on lies. They should do their job.


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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/13/2017 4:47:20 PM   
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every report I have read today(about 12) from various sites, all mention that the CSR was unconstitutional
they also said how many of the poor were going to end up in the shit because of this.
he did it, he said he was going to do it, now see how they suffer because of it, and it wont only be liberals/dems
Brilliant winning
One positive is that now its sent back to congress, so it will be delayed, hopefully until its challenged in court.
ANybody can destroy.
Whats he gonna replace it with?
he owns it all now:)


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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/13/2017 4:53:35 PM   
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Oh fuck off with your stupidity.

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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/13/2017 4:57:39 PM   
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Oh fuck off with your stupidity.


My butt hurt elitist detector just exploded.

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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/13/2017 4:58:43 PM   
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Fucking his base again.
Poor whites who are barely getting by. I work with a bunch of them and they LOVE him.



You misunderstand. The "bunch of them" are "poor" but not stupid enough to think they are actually insured by the ACA. They LOVE him because he speaks truth and even if it is bad news it's appreciated because instinctively the "poor" hate being lied to. Let's be honest now for once, we all know Obama lied about the ACA to get it passed. I think "poor" is an inaccurate description for these people.


No, I didn't misunderstand.

They are ignorant fucks who drink the koolaid just like you do and their savior is going to fuck them in the ass with no lube.
I know these HS dropout dopehead Trumpanzees who put in a day's work about every week or so.
You don't


why do I hire these lazy assed dopeheads?

The front office won't let me hire Mexicans.

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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/13/2017 5:38:14 PM   
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~FRing it~

Since Chump's whole endgame is fucking America up the collective ass with his teeny tiny barbed wire wrapped orange penis and no lube, this doesnt surprise me in the least. Make America Great, my ass. More like tearing America apart bit by bit with his tiny little baby hands



This hate thing is not good for you. You know that 22 your daddy gave you for Christmas when you were eleven? lose it.


Here's the deal, princess. I think Trump is an absolute douchebag asshole. Im embarrased he is our POTUS and Im throwing one hell of a party the night we kick his orange ass out of the White House . Perhaps once you stop nursing on his ample boobs, you too will wake up and smell the stench of reality. But until then, suck long and hard on the magical koolaid maker and live in head-up-your-own-ass bliss.

All Ive got for Chump and his flying flock of monkeys is my eagerly awaiting the day this fucking Nghtmare on Elm Street is over. Wear it in good health

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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/13/2017 6:32:52 PM   
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President Donald Trump plans to halt payments to health insurance companies serving the poorest customers on the Obamacare exchanges, the White House announced Thursday.

First of all. Obama care premiums have risen unaffordably for middle class and above people to subsidise the cost of low income people, DESPITE the subsidises that the government provides the insurers.

In another words, WHAT ARE THE INSURERS doing with the subsidies? They are still making the middle class pay for the free coverage that the low income people gets.

Trump is determined to remove Obama Care. And he has said this prior to being elected, it was one of his campaign promises, which got him elected, because the middle class is tired of unaffordable premiums or being FINED for not being able to afford their premiums, and he is gonna make it happen some how and not gonna stop until he succeed.

This is the same doom and gloom since before being elected that the left media has been writing about. Nothing new.

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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/13/2017 6:40:04 PM   
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The only solution is to draft a sensible replacement for the ACA, and get it going as a Constitutional Amendment.


I agree with everything you said, but have to laugh at the thought of the two main parties drafting anything "sensible."


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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/13/2017 6:43:59 PM   
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Congress is too focused on who has a bigger dick...elephants or donkeys. Meanwhile the constituents in the middle are torn apart

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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/15/2017 12:04:44 PM   
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Americans can't afford $2000.00 a month health insurance policies. American can't afford the inflated charges for medical care.

About $2000 a month is what you have to pay these days for a 20% co-pay with $100,000.00 a hear cap on total payments. That is what we are paying for each and every policy and if it is on the "exchange" it only means that ALL of us are footing the bill for the rest of the charge for the policy. Don't be fooled by the illusion that the poor are getting cheaper insurance; the bill for the rest is passed on to everyone else.

Forget the bloody pork barrel insurance company subsidizing AHA. Get some regulation on the medical industry.

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RE: Trump To Cut Off Billions In Key Obamacare Payments... - 10/15/2017 12:10:22 PM   
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hahahahahahhaahhaah
tell trump.
hes the one that is cutting payments for the poorest.
get pharma, insurance companies and for profit out of the equation.
Its not like insurance companies rates have ever been low. without ....exemptions, like lifetime caps, and pre existing conditions.
You pay far more for other peoples care via ER and the outcomes are far worse for people who really need more than ER care.

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