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ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/21/2017 10:32:52 PM)
If you had read my OP and replies you would see that I did address all of your points. Somehow you missed the point that bad science based on an inaccurate sample is trying to incorrectly redefine BDSM so it is more appealing or marketable to the masses. Thanks to bad information like this in the past, the general population now thinks the BDSM acronym stands for or includes D/s. Every time someone shits on the fan, the whole room smells it. That fact people like you don't care and want to defend bad science and false information stinks it up for all of us. quote: ORIGINAL: Shandirra Point is RS; that no matter who laid the foundations for BDSM, it has evolved. Everyone has a right to interpret it as they see fit. They're allowed to enjoy it as they see fit. There are points of etiquette from the "Old Guard" days I see value in and others that are utter horseshit. BDSM today may not be what you remember. That's called life. It grows, it shrinks, it changes, it moves on. It moves on. No offense, but your opinion is just that. An opinion. No more right or wrong than some newbie. Everyone takes from this what they want/need. Did you want a cookie with this whine?

DesFIP -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/22/2017 8:21:37 AM)
BDSM changed a good thirty years ago. The gay leathermen caught AIDS. The people left to ‘instruct’ the next generation were the guys who previously couldn’t get laid, and neither topped nor bottomed. Plus they were getting older and didn’t want to clean their own houses. They were also the people who wanted long term relationships not just hooking up together for a month or two. Obviously the previous role model didn’t work for them so they changed it. If all you’re doing is playing at a party, you don’t need to consider who holds the power and how to handle decision making. Thatonly comes in if you seek a relationship that lasts longer than the NRE.

Shandirra -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/22/2017 1:47:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist If you had read my OP and replies you would see that I did address all of your points. Somehow you missed the point that bad science based on an inaccurate sample is trying to incorrectly redefine BDSM so it is more appealing or marketable to the masses. Thanks to bad information like this in the past, the general population now thinks the BDSM acronym stands for or includes D/s. Every time someone shits on the fan, the whole room smells it. That fact people like you don't care and want to defend bad science and false information stinks it up for all of us. I read them. I missed nothing. I simply disagree. Apparently RS, you didn't read my post in context. Nor do I believe you're unbiased enough to contemplate it since you've denigrated me. Science has nothing to do with BDSM. Bad information is an opinion, not a fact. But please, keep grasping outdated modes of belief and expression. Must be nice atop that high horse you're perched upon. The only time I'll ever admonish anyone into BDSM is for harming their partner. Lasting, permanent damage that prevents the subject from living a quality of life they enjoyed prior to their scene. Hurting someone is fun and I advocate it. :D However, I fully support that individuals can express themselves through BDSM in whatever way they see fit so long as it's consensual. With or without adherence to the "Old Guard". If some scientist wants to call it a"leisure activity", why should you care about some stranger's take on it? Are the opinions of total strangers important to you? If so, perhaps you should examine the priorities in your life and re-evaluate same. It's a blog. It's absolutely insignificant in the scheme of anything. BDSM is what an individual makes of it, be it leisure or lifestyle. Your opinion isn't fact. shrugs Get over it.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/23/2017 6:55:44 PM)
quote: If you had read my OP and replies We would see that you are grumpy old man who doesn't like what the damned yunguns have done with your precious BDSM. Suck it up old man, like the dinosaurs, you are history.

tamaka -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/23/2017 7:03:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer FR I've got to say: really, who the hell cares? Jeez - who needs to be validated as to his or her idea of the good life from anybody - the oldest and most intensely bearded, or the youngest and most desperately 'radical' and 'individualistic' gobshite, or anybody else in between, on some increasingly-clapped out forum like this? I've never investigated what 'BDSM' means, or is truly meant to mean, and I almost certainly never will. Christ, what an irrelevance. Oh Peon... you're just in it for kinky sex so who could expect you to understand...lol

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/23/2017 7:34:16 PM)
Oh fuck off you sad little slavier-than-thou cunt. Nobody buys your crap around her so just cram it back up the cavernous hole that is your ass (it must be cavernous, given all the stupidity you haul out of it).

tamaka -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/23/2017 7:49:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick Oh fuck off you sad little slavier-than-thou cunt. Nobody buys your crap around her so just cram it back up the cavernous hole that is your ass (it must be cavernous, given all the stupidity you haul out of it). Guess you can't take your meds while you're pregnant, eh?

Cell -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/23/2017 11:01:35 PM)
dont worry mate, I very much doubt you will ever be able to talk about torturing slaves in your sex dungeon with the same reception as relating a nice day at the golf course to someone. People seen a couple of shades of grey and suddenly it's no biggy right? Ha!

LadyPact -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/23/2017 11:51:53 PM)
<FR> Old Guard doesn't especially mean 'original old guard'. (Aka the first round of gay leathermen.) There's also this concept called the 'generations of leather,' which is about how the various evolution(s) of leather came about. Not just gay men. Lesbian women, het men, het women, TNG, etc... All of these different eras had an 'old guard' and a 'new guard'. The whole idea of this is people who want to adhere to old theories while mixing with what's on the horizon. (For more on this, check out a guy named Master Skip Chasey. It's his theory. For those who want to complain about the title, the guy really does have a Master's degree. :) ) I guess I'm weird about it. BDSM can overlap with leather, but there are parts of leather that I don't consider BDSM. The leather community part doesn't necessarily have to do with the physical acts. The activism certainly doesn't. Nobody really cared about the education back in the day, (other than what effected their own club) or the health issues. People 'started at the bottom,' not just for the learning aspect, but a lot of that was also about fresh meat to f^ck. So, this bit about being a leisure activity... It seems to me that it's not just 'balls to the wall' activities that qualify. It's just like the 'what is bondage?' question. Are we really saying that only people suspended from flesh hooks qualify as bondage? Pink fuzzy handcuffs wouldn't float my boat either, but is the person bound? Sadism is the same thing. What some other people do wouldn't scratch my sadism itch but other people are doing it, incorporating some level of pain and having a grand old time. How much giving and receiving of pain qualifies? And, if you (general you) don't want to have sex with every person you swing a flogger at, does that mean it's not sadism, anymore? What about people who do it for fun when they want it, rather than have a NEEEEEDDDDD to do it? Still the same blood, sweat, tears, and piss. Just it's a couple of times a month thing to ride those awesome endorphin levels. The amount of pain (aka sadism and masochism) is still on the same level. We're still talking needles, electricity, whips, and all of that stuff on the harsh end. Are we saying it has to be six times a month, rather than three, to qualify? It's too much work for me to judge what other people do in their bedrooms. Just because it wouldn't work for me doesn't mean it's not working for them. A lot of what I do wouldn't work for other people, either. Doesn't mean I'm going to take those opinions into account. As long as I'm having fun, other people can call it BDSM or Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang for all I care.

thorneyone -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/24/2017 1:09:02 AM)
People who come on here shouting the odds about who said what to who are usually people who aren't getting anything! They become contentious more from frustration. It's an age old trait. Who gives a fuck about what "sociologists" say? Only those who are insecure!! "Confidence is silent, Insecurities are loud"

LadyConstanze -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/24/2017 8:05:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick Oh fuck off you sad little slavier-than-thou cunt. Nobody buys your crap around her so just cram it back up the cavernous hole that is your ass (it must be cavernous, given all the stupidity you haul out of it). Guess you can't take your meds while you're pregnant, eh? Did they ever work?

ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/24/2017 9:15:45 AM)
Laura Antoniou light heatedly calls us the 'middle guard.' I think you put a good perspective on how intensity is irrelevant to the physical act and more a matter of perception. Nicely said. I use extreme examples like fluffy vs bloody to put a focus on the scope of it all, because BDSM includes it all. I love the 'Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang' comment. My house (home) is called the Shady Rest. So I can see an old west Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang scene somewhere in the near future... thanks for the idea. Sounds like fun. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact <FR> Old Guard doesn't especially mean 'original old guard'. (Aka the first round of gay leathermen.) There's also this concept called the 'generations of leather,' which is about how the various evolution(s) of leather came about. Not just gay men. Lesbian women, het men, het women, TNG, etc... All of these different eras had an 'old guard' and a 'new guard'. The whole idea of this is people who want to adhere to old theories while mixing with what's on the horizon. (For more on this, check out a guy named Master Skip Chasey. It's his theory. For those who want to complain about the title, the guy really does have a Master's degree. :) ) I guess I'm weird about it. BDSM can overlap with leather, but there are parts of leather that I don't consider BDSM. The leather community part doesn't necessarily have to do with the physical acts. The activism certainly doesn't. Nobody really cared about the education back in the day, (other than what effected their own club) or the health issues. People 'started at the bottom,' not just for the learning aspect, but a lot of that was also about fresh meat to f^ck. So, this bit about being a leisure activity... It seems to me that it's not just 'balls to the wall' activities that qualify. It's just like the 'what is bondage?' question. Are we really saying that only people suspended from flesh hooks qualify as bondage? Pink fuzzy handcuffs wouldn't float my boat either, but is the person bound? Sadism is the same thing. What some other people do wouldn't scratch my sadism itch but other people are doing it, incorporating some level of pain and having a grand old time. How much giving and receiving of pain qualifies? And, if you (general you) don't want to have sex with every person you swing a flogger at, does that mean it's not sadism, anymore? What about people who do it for fun when they want it, rather than have a NEEEEEDDDDD to do it? Still the same blood, sweat, tears, and piss. Just it's a couple of times a month thing to ride those awesome endorphin levels. The amount of pain (aka sadism and masochism) is still on the same level. We're still talking needles, electricity, whips, and all of that stuff on the harsh end. Are we saying it has to be six times a month, rather than three, to qualify? It's too much work for me to judge what other people do in their bedrooms. Just because it wouldn't work for me doesn't mean it's not working for them. A lot of what I do wouldn't work for other people, either. Doesn't mean I'm going to take those opinions into account. As long as I'm having fun, other people can call it BDSM or Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang for all I care.

ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/24/2017 9:40:51 AM)
We probably should give a fuck about what science is saying about our social behavior. Ignoring bad science is how the DSM classified homosexuality as a mental disorder instead of a sexual preference for so long. And that lead to legislation and imprisonment homosexuals. Albeit this is the reverse of that, it still seems like inaccurate science... ramifications seem more likely to end up with a spanking bench at the 9th hole and a cross on the clubhouse. Its damn funny how in less than 5 years ago (2013), the DSM-4 classified sadomasochism as a mental disorder. Then the DSM-5 reclassified it. ...and now a sociologists armed with study data says it is a leisure activity instead of a mental illness. That is an amazing leap in perception. Lets play "so what if." What if BDSM becomes even more accepted and some 50 shades tourists go to a BDSM convention and witnesses 'Team Fluffy' doing a barbed wire flogging in a bloodsport workshop? Or an elctro-play demo with 6 truck batteries, jumper cables, a boy chained to a cyclone fence with jumper cables and sparks flying everywhere? Or a resistance scene? What if the blood, bruising and sparks blow their mind, crushing the 50 shades of ice-cream & unicorns perception of BDSM they had. When tourist feel safe enough to come into our inner sanctum and our conventions to see the wilder side of BDSM, I am concerned it scare them into taking action. Our society (and military) went from "don't ask don't tell" to "we accept you, it's safe to come out" to "now that you're out, you're fired because you're gay." And all they did was love people of the same gender, their behavior didn't include torturing people. I can't imagine how BDSM will be received once it is seen as anything other than 50 Shades of fluff... that whole "leisure activity" thing might fly out the window.

stef -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/24/2017 3:32:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist Laura Antoniou light heatedly calls us the 'middle guard.' Not exactly, it's "Middle-Aged Guard". She even sells pins [:D] http://shop.lantoniou.com/Middle-Aged-Guard-Pin-MAG-Pin.htm

PeonForHer -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/24/2017 4:07:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Oh Peon... you're just in it for kinky sex so who could expect you to understand...lol Why would I even be interested in understanding? It's all royally irrelevant to my life.

tamaka -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/24/2017 5:19:35 PM)
We're all supposed to understand everyone's perspective now. Our lives are all intertwined and affect each other... haven't you been paying attention?

Wayward5oul -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/24/2017 5:58:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka We're all supposed to understand everyone's perspective now. Our lives are all intertwined and affect each other... haven't you been paying attention? Horseshit.

tamaka -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/24/2017 6:11:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka We're all supposed to understand everyone's perspective now. Our lives are all intertwined and affect each other... haven't you been paying attention? Horseshit. No... seriously. Evidently you're not Enlightened.

Wayward5oul -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/24/2017 6:13:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka We're all supposed to understand everyone's perspective now. Our lives are all intertwined and affect each other... haven't you been paying attention? Horseshit. No... seriously. Evidently you're not Enlightened. If say I'm a touch more enlightened than you are. What you are missing is that there is a difference between understanding and respect.

tamaka -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/24/2017 6:19:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka We're all supposed to understand everyone's perspective now. Our lives are all intertwined and affect each other... haven't you been paying attention? Horseshit. No... seriously. Evidently you're not Enlightened. If say I'm a touch more enlightened than you are. What you are missing is that there is a difference between understanding and respect. People have to earn my respect. Understanding is easier. I mean... i can understand your position (about whatever the topic may be at any point in time). That doesn't mean i respect you as a person.

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