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ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activity”=- (10/27/2017 8:14:44 AM)
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True... "A part of what led to legislation against homosexuals also had a lot to do with fear and prejudice. How many years did religion play a part of that? I don't know how much of that was really science."
I don't imagine massive witch hunts and us all ending up with a Scarlet letter. I was really quite encouraged when the DSM-5 reclassified sadomasochism and many other paraphilias. Their intent as I understood it was that if the paraphilia was to the point of being a disorder instead of a sexual kink, it would fall in a different diagnostic category. It felt like they were trying to correct the biased "crap science" that lead to listing those paraphilias in the first place.
"we have to separate society from the military" ... "Consensual poly is not a valid concept to Uncle Sam. Neither is BDSM. What consenting adults choose to do is still illegal under the UCMJ as far as poly and kink go. As a generalization, poly is still considered adultery, which is a court martial offense. Uncle Sam does not recognize consensual kink." I am glad you mentioned this. Thank you for your reply.
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
Laura Antoniou light heatedly calls us the 'middle guard.' I think you put a good perspective on how intensity is irrelevant to the physical act and more a matter of perception. Nicely said. I use extreme examples like fluffy vs bloody to put a focus on the scope of it all, because BDSM includes it all.
It's never easy in that regard. If we were doing the scale of one to ten thing, I'd probably call myself a seven or an eight, depending on what thing I'm thinking of. The exception on this is the wax thing, which is way lower on the scale. Fire, when done right, doesn't really 'hurt.' Neither does cupping. Those are my fluffy type of examples. [:D]
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I love the 'Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang' comment. My house (home) is called the Shady Rest. So I can see an old west Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang scene somewhere in the near future... thanks for the idea. Sounds like fun.
Ha! I'm glad. If you turn it into something, it might be a fun thread, too. Sometimes, neat ideas come from the most obscure thing.
I thought some of this was cool, so if you don't mind...
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
We probably should give a fuck about what science is saying about our social behavior. Ignoring bad science is how the DSM classified homosexuality as a mental disorder instead of a sexual preference for so long. And that lead to legislation and imprisonment homosexuals.
Are we really considering this "science" though? Ask a different thousand people (or whatever this research/poll number of participants was based on) and depending how the questions were phrased, there could be a different answer next week.
A part of what led to legislation against homosexuals also had a lot to do with fear and prejudice. How many years did religion play a part of that? I don't know how much of that was really science.
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Albeit this is the reverse of that, it still seems like inaccurate science... ramifications seem more likely to end up with a spanking bench at the 9th hole and a cross on the clubhouse. Its damn funny how in less than 5 years ago (2013), the DSM-4 classified sadomasochism as a mental disorder. Then the DSM-5 reclassified it. ...and now a sociologists armed with study data says it is a leisure activity instead of a mental illness. That is an amazing leap in perception.
I don't golf, but wouldn't that kind of thing be funny as hell? A bag of clubs and a bag of *clubs*. [8D]
To be a bit more serious, the BDSM thing as a mental disorder was at least partially crap science, too. No other logical explanation, like it might just be fun to do kinky stuff, hey! Not 'normal'. As if it couldn't possibly be something but a deviance because people get off on endorphins.
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Lets play "so what if." What if BDSM becomes even more accepted and some 50 shades tourists go to a BDSM convention and witnesses 'Team Fluffy' doing a barbed wire flogging in a bloodsport workshop? Or an elctro-play demo with 6 truck batteries, jumper cables, a boy chained to a cyclone fence with jumper cables and sparks flying everywhere? Or a resistance scene? What if the blood, bruising and sparks blow their mind, crushing the 50 shades of ice-cream & unicorns perception of BDSM they had. When tourist feel safe enough to come into our inner sanctum and our conventions to see the wilder side of BDSM, I am concerned it scare them into taking action.
I suppose I'd have to ask you how you are using the term "taking action"? Do you mean said tourists are going to decide that we're sick again and shut us down? Do you mean it in the sense that they are going to ignore the 'don't try this at home' warnings and charge into the 'that looks cool, let's try it' philosophy? That our DM's at cons can't handle scene interruptions or the lighter players can't hack the idea that the door to the dungeon swings both ways? What are we talking about here, exactly?
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Our society (and military) went from "don't ask don't tell" to "we accept you, it's safe to come out" to "now that you're out, you're fired because you're gay." And all they did was love people of the same gender, their behavior didn't include torturing people. I can't imagine how BDSM will be received once it is seen as anything other than 50 Shades of fluff... that whole "leisure activity" thing might fly out the window.
OK. This part was why I wanted to comment on this particular quote. I don't consider myself an expert in this area. Just my personal experience.
To really discuss this, we have to separate society from the military, and when I say military, we have to talk about the UCMJ. In addition, we have to talk about three categories of people. The LGBT community, poly people, and kinky people. (Yes, I know there is overlap there, but work with me.)
When we were talking about the 'don't ask, don't tell' days, all of this stuff was under the same umbrella. Don't announce to the COC (Chain of Command) what you were doing in the bedroom, and you could fly under the radar. Most people aren't that familiar that DADT applied to poly, kinky, and S/m people. It does.
When people with a non-het sexual orientation were allowed to openly serve in the military, (basically when DADT was rescinded) that's when the three categories of people weren't seen as parallel anymore. Gay folks can serve openly at this time. Consensual poly is not a valid concept to Uncle Sam. Neither is BDSM. What consenting adults choose to do is still illegal under the UCMJ as far as poly and kink go. As a generalization, poly is still considered adultery, which is a court martial offense. Uncle Sam does not recognize consensual kink. It is abuse or domestic violence, depending on the relationship status between the parties.
This is one of the reasons that 'outing' is still such a big deal in the military.
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