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Consent 2 - 11/4/2017 7:16:32 AM   
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Since my first thread about consent went south and even though I started it by saying I believed in consent, I was told that I didn’t really believe in consent and was actually advocating rape and I was told that I had started the “conversation” “incorrectly” and basically “caused” everyone not to talk about consent and to instead talk about anything else instead, I thought I would try again and see if commenters could actually stick to the topic at hand or whether the subject is so emotionally charged that is impossible.

When I was young, sex was a taboo subject and the mating ritual was passed along in pieces by books, movies and your peers and you were left wondering how do you get there from here? Having gone from there though the “sexual revolution” to here, the 21st century, where, with a few key strokes, every type of “sex” can viewed and explained in great detail, it would seem that there should be no reason for anyone to say I didn’t know what I was getting into.

But obviously, I don’t know what I’m getting into. Let me explain.

When I was a youth, it seemed many people went to bars had a few drinks and “hooked up” but now in the 21st century that same thing seems to be headed toward consent forms, witnessed by two or more of their friends and breathalyzer tests, maybe even drug tests and maybe even a waiting period like they do before buying a gun, before you “hook up”.

Is anything short of that to be considered “rape” or is there a place somewhere in the spectrum of “consent” where, between two consenting adults, there can be “implied consent”?

Or is the, “two people meet and there is love at first sight and they make mad passionate love and live happily ever after” a thing of the past or is it to be “not without consent forms”?
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RE: Consent 2 - 11/4/2017 7:23:58 AM   
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I realise that all the recent outed sexual harrassers all have the same excuse. "It was a different time before and what was acceptable before is no longer acceptable today." As their number 1 excuse about what they did in the past!

The problem is, you keep asking if there should be a grey area for consent and I say NO.

Because the law needs a black and white way to determined whether was it rape or consensual sex.

And the only way for this to be clear is to seek very clear consent.

I have had so many meet on first date and straight to sex after dinner scenarios. And ALL the men ask me if I am okay to continue. Even in the bedroom, they double checked if I wanted to go ahead. Those are proper gentleman. They just want to make sure it's 100% consensual. Alot of men, I guess especially in my country, they are very careful to get verbal consent along the way. Because they know the law and they do it to protect themselves. As should every man! All they need is one claim of non-consensual sex, and then they get fired from their jobs. And they are properly educated that women can withdraw consent at any time.

But this is good! This makes sure no misunderstanding and nobody gets rape.

And I don't think this makes it less romantic. It's how the guy words it smoothly. As with anything with women. If you got a sweet tongue, you can make asking for permission sound sexy and caring.

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RE: Consent 2 - 11/4/2017 7:34:37 AM   
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https://sg.news.yahoo.com/certis-cisco-officer-touched-colleagues-breast-kissed-jailed-30-weeks-120444144.html

Here is a good story of how two colleagues who regularly lunch together where the man probably mistake the woman is interested in him without asking carefully! And this gotta be quite a typical work place scenario where innocent friendliness with a male colleague could be misinterpreted as you softening up to him!

The two regularly met for lunch and during other break times, and would communicate and share problems with each other, according to the prosecution. There would usually be no body contact between them except a “special handshake” as a greeting.

A few days before the incident, the man told her that he would be bringing her to a “beautiful place” in Basement 2 of the terminal, which has a waterfall.

On the day of the incident, he messaged her to meet at the armoury after their shift ended and addressed her as “sayang” and “dear”. He also told her not to wear a uniform underneath her jacket, but she did not follow his instructions. Instead, she zipped her jacket up to the collarbone to hide her uniform.

Upon reaching the waterfall sometime after 9pm, he held her hand while they were climbing the stairs. When the woman asked him why, he replied that he was afraid she might fall. He then shared with her his relationship problems.

While doing so, he told her to remove her bag from her shoulders as it was heavy. He then locked his arms over her shoulders from behind and told her “don’t move, don’t move” in a tone she described to the court as “ferocious”.

The woman tried to move but couldn’t do so as he was too strong for her, said Deputy Public Prosecutor Chew Xin Ying in her closing submissions for the case.

The man then kissed her neck, and placed his right hand under her jacket, uniform and bra to cup her left breast. She also felt his fingers touching her nipple area. The victim then confronted him and told him off for behaving “very cheaply”.

The man then pushed her against a wall and tried touching her again. She responded by crossing her arms across her chest. He then kissed her neck, cheeks, and eventually her lips after placing his hands on her palms.

The victim moved away immediately and the man begged her not to tell anyone about the incident. When the victim started crying, he asked why she was making such a big fuss and said “it’s not as if you lost your virginity”, according to the DPP. The victim responded by slapping him before leaving.

The accused continued apologising to the woman through messages sent to her phone, but she ignored him. Upon reaching home, the woman attempted suicide but was prevented from doing so by her roommate. She also harboured thoughts of shooting herself.

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RE: Consent 2 - 11/4/2017 8:03:27 AM   
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I realise that all the recent outed sexual harrassers all have the same excuse. "It was a different time before and what was acceptable before is no longer acceptable today." As their number 1 excuse about what they did in the past!

The problem is, you keep asking if there should be a grey area for consent and I say NO.

Because the law needs a black and white way to determined whether was it rape or consensual sex.

And the only way for this to be clear is to seek very clear consent.

I have had so many meet on first date and straight to sex after dinner scenarios. And ALL the men ask me if I am okay to continue. Even in the bedroom, they double checked if I wanted to go ahead. Those are proper gentleman. They just want to make sure it's 100% consensual. Alot of men, I guess especially in my country, they are very careful to get verbal consent along the way. Because they know the law and they do it to protect themselves. As should every man! All they need is one claim of non-consensual sex, and then they get fired from their jobs. And they are properly educated that women can withdraw consent at any time.

But this is good! This makes sure no misunderstanding and nobody gets rape.

And I don't think this makes it less romantic. It's how the guy words it smoothly. As with anything with women. If you got a sweet tongue, you can make asking for permission sound sexy and caring.
I'm not sure why you keep insisting that I'm asking about a "grey" area of consent; I am not, I'm asking about a grey area, I'm asking about the black and white of the matter, I'm asking about when does 'yes" or "consent" become real consent. Because in your example, if you had one drink at that dinner and depending on how strong it was and how fast you drank it or maybe you had two drinks; if you were legally impaired, even if neither of you realized it, your "yes", your "consent" was not "yes" and not "consent" and no matter how many times you said "yes" or gave "consent", your "loving gentleman" raped you. And no matter how "smoothly" it is worded, asking someone to take a breathalyzer test in front of their friends, because you would need witnesses, is not romantic.


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RE: Consent 2 - 11/4/2017 8:08:26 AM   
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Can you both just LET IT DROP??? The first thread turned into kind of a trainwreck... Why O why start a second one that most definitely will? BEJEEBUS DAMNATION JUMPIN JEHOSAPHAT... we're not in grade school anymore kidlets, act like the adults you're supposed to be.

POINT...FINAL...BATON... THE. END.

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RE: Consent 2 - 11/4/2017 8:20:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/certis-cisco-officer-touched-colleagues-breast-kissed-jailed-30-weeks-120444144.html

Here is a good story of how two colleagues who regularly lunch together where the man probably mistake the woman is interested in him without asking carefully! And this gotta be quite a typical work place scenario where innocent friendliness with a male colleague could be misinterpreted as you softening up to him!

The two regularly met for lunch and during other break times, and would communicate and share problems with each other, according to the prosecution. There would usually be no body contact between them except a “special handshake” as a greeting.

A few days before the incident, the man told her that he would be bringing her to a “beautiful place” in Basement 2 of the terminal, which has a waterfall.

On the day of the incident, he messaged her to meet at the armoury after their shift ended and addressed her as “sayang” and “dear”. He also told her not to wear a uniform underneath her jacket, but she did not follow his instructions. Instead, she zipped her jacket up to the collarbone to hide her uniform.

Upon reaching the waterfall sometime after 9pm, he held her hand while they were climbing the stairs. When the woman asked him why, he replied that he was afraid she might fall. He then shared with her his relationship problems.

While doing so, he told her to remove her bag from her shoulders as it was heavy. He then locked his arms over her shoulders from behind and told her “don’t move, don’t move” in a tone she described to the court as “ferocious”.

The woman tried to move but couldn’t do so as he was too strong for her, said Deputy Public Prosecutor Chew Xin Ying in her closing submissions for the case.

The man then kissed her neck, and placed his right hand under her jacket, uniform and bra to cup her left breast. She also felt his fingers touching her nipple area. The victim then confronted him and told him off for behaving “very cheaply”.

The man then pushed her against a wall and tried touching her again. She responded by crossing her arms across her chest. He then kissed her neck, cheeks, and eventually her lips after placing his hands on her palms.

The victim moved away immediately and the man begged her not to tell anyone about the incident. When the victim started crying, he asked why she was making such a big fuss and said “it’s not as if you lost your virginity”, according to the DPP. The victim responded by slapping him before leaving.

The accused continued apologising to the woman through messages sent to her phone, but she ignored him. Upon reaching home, the woman attempted suicide but was prevented from doing so by her roommate. She also harboured thoughts of shooting herself.


Quite honestly if I was the woman in this case, I would have known from the minute that he asked me "not to wear a uniform underneath my jacket", that I had some place else I'd rather be.

Honestly, except for the eating lunch together and being friendly, everything you mentioned about this is filled with red flags that would have me running for the hills.

The man should have stopped everything as soon as he noticed any resistance or uncomfortableness on the part of the woman and should have been apologizing from that point and not after he had groped her, since he didn't, he deserved what ever punishment he received.

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RE: Consent 2 - 11/4/2017 8:31:33 AM   
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Can you both just LET IT DROP??? The first thread turned into kind of a trainwreck... Why O why start a second one that most definitely will? BEJEEBUS DAMNATION JUMPIN JEHOSAPHAT... we're not in grade school anymore kidlets, act like the adults you're supposed to be.

POINT...FINAL...BATON... THE. END.

Well, since you don't seem to be into reading, I'll try to simplify it for you.

The concept of "Consent" seems to have gone way beyond a simple "agreement" between two adults to have sex and since I believe that is is all that should be necessary, I'm trying to understand why and what is now considered "necessary".

I don't know why but it seems no one wants to talk about the subject and that too is curious to me and would like to know why?

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RE: Consent 2 - 11/4/2017 8:39:49 AM   
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Can you both just LET IT DROP??? The first thread turned into kind of a trainwreck... Why O why start a second one that most definitely will? BEJEEBUS DAMNATION JUMPIN JEHOSAPHAT... we're not in grade school anymore kidlets, act like the adults you're supposed to be.

POINT...FINAL...BATON... THE. END.

Oh and thanks for sharing your opinion that "Consent" is something that should not be discussed or for that matter understood.
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RE: Consent 2 - 11/4/2017 8:51:03 AM   
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Because in your example, if you had one drink at that dinner and depending on how strong it was and how fast you drank it or maybe you had two drinks; if you were legally impaired, even if neither of you realized it, your "yes", your "consent" was not "yes" and not "consent" and no matter how many times you said "yes" or gave "consent", your "loving gentleman" raped you. And no matter how "smoothly" it is worded, asking someone to take a breathalyzer test in front of their friends, because you would need witnesses, is not romantic.



Well, we have another local case here, where initially, the woman alcohol limit was like over 5 times the normal, super intoxicated. But CCTV of the club show her voluntarily going home with the man. And then somehow in the end, her alcohol level didn't matter. The man didn't get convicted. This is despite her calling her mom crying for help to save her from his home! And the man snatching the phone away from her and telling her mom that she is safe and he will send her home and everything is okay. WHICH he did not. He threw her out naked after fucking her.

Yet he still got away, not enough evidence of rape. The judge ruled that she had consensual sex but was disgruntled when the man was cold and threw her out after using her for sex so she took revenge by claiming rape. Base on CCTV video at the club that she didn't look drunk at all and looked perfectly happy to be going back with him. While she claim she was too drunk to remember voluntarily going home with him.

The man who won this case paid like 300k for the best criminal lawyer in Singapore though. And I hate that guy because ya know top criminal lawyers. They defend criminals. Murderers get off. Rapists get off. Because he is so good! He was so good that he even questioned how the her alcohol level was obtained and insinuated that they fuck up on the test and got tainted results.

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RE: Consent 2 - 11/4/2017 8:56:31 AM   
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Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the forums ...

The new follow-up to the blockbuster: "CONSENT"

It's back ... In I-Max and Sensoround:

CONSENT 2: The Thread that Failed the First Time

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RE: Consent 2 - 11/4/2017 8:59:44 AM   
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Quite honestly if I was the woman in this case, I would have known from the minute that he asked me "not to wear a uniform underneath my jacket", that I had some place else I'd rather be.

Actually the moment a man says to me he wanna bring me to a "beautiful place in the basement". I would have been like, "WTF for?" And knew he is up to no good. IF I was not interested in him and won't go.

But clearly this woman is not too bright. And on top of that, can you tell that she is the super weak type? The fact that after just being molested, she attempted suicide. Tells you how emotionally weak she is as a person thus easily cowered and manipulated. (And thinking about this, how the fuck does she get to work as a certis security, which is almost like a police and they handle guns and gotta take down criminals!)

And real predators, often go for such women. Where it's like, "But she allowed me to hold her hand." "But she shares with me her innermost feelings and thoughts and seek me out for lunch all the time." "It seems like she was interested in me!"

Ya know, because such women are just "submissive" in a way. Also if a man has been very very nice to you, and you have spent alot of time with him, with him patiently listening to you, which I bet this guy have been to her, you would feel guilty thinking he has bad intentions and try not to jump into conclusions that he meant anything even though it sounds suspicious.

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RE: Consent 2 - 11/4/2017 8:59:58 AM   
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Because in your example, if you had one drink at that dinner and depending on how strong it was and how fast you drank it or maybe you had two drinks; if you were legally impaired, even if neither of you realized it, your "yes", your "consent" was not "yes" and not "consent" and no matter how many times you said "yes" or gave "consent", your "loving gentleman" raped you. And no matter how "smoothly" it is worded, asking someone to take a breathalyzer test in front of their friends, because you would need witnesses, is not romantic.



Well, we have another local case here, where initially, the woman alcohol limit was like over 5 times the normal, super intoxicated. But CCTV of the club show her voluntarily going home with the man. And then somehow in the end, her alcohol level didn't matter. The man didn't get convicted. This is despite her calling her mom crying for help to save her from his home! And the man snatching the phone away from her and telling her mom that she is safe and he will send her home and everything is okay. WHICH he did not. He threw her out naked after fucking her.

Yet he still got away, not enough evidence of rape. The judge ruled that she had consensual sex but was disgruntled when the man was cold and threw her out after using her for sex so she took revenge by claiming rape. Base on CCTV video at the club that she didn't look drunk at all and looked perfectly happy to be going back with him.

The man who won this case paid like 300k for the best criminal lawyer in Singapore though. And I hate that guy because ya know top criminal lawyers. They defend criminals. Murderers get off. Rapists get off. Because he is so good!

And this was "consent"?

This example isn't a "grey" area of consent, this seems to rape plain and simple.

Bad things happen and the those who can pay for it seem to be able to get away with murder but this example is far away from anything I would consider to be consent.

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RE: Consent 2 - 11/4/2017 9:03:34 AM   
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(*Deep Announcer Voice)

Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the forums ...

The new follow-up to the blockbuster: "CONSENT"

It's back ... In I-Max and Sensoround:

CONSENT 2: The Thread that Failed the First Time

Roll credits.



Michael


And I would like to thank you for sharing your opinion that "Consent" is something that should not be discussed or for that matter understood, at least you tried to make your opinion humorous.
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RE: Consent 2 - 11/4/2017 9:21:53 AM   
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Well, well, well!
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And I would like to thank you for sharing your opinion that "Consent" is something that should not be discussed or for that matter understood


Not just a lie, but a fucking lie, based upon a little conversation you're having with an imaginary "me" in your head. You're crap at mind reading. Give it up.
The point I was trying to make, "sir", is the confusion at why you would DIRECTLY LINK a new thread which is, ostensibly, an attempt at making what you feel is a valid point, with a thread that went off the rails, fairly quickly.

But, your less-nuanced (bullshit/deflection/projection) explanation of what I was thinking, when I was typing is a much easier argument for you to knock down, since it was the only one you could formulate. Well played.

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at least you tried to make your opinion humorous.


You teed it up for me. I just hit the drive and watched it sail.




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RE: Consent 2 - 11/4/2017 9:37:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Quite honestly if I was the woman in this case, I would have known from the minute that he asked me "not to wear a uniform underneath my jacket", that I had some place else I'd rather be.

Actually the moment a man says to me he wanna bring me to a "beautiful place in the basement". I would have been like, "WTF for?" And knew he is up to no good. IF I was not interested in him and won't go.

But clearly this woman is not too bright. And on top of that, can you tell that she is the super weak type? The fact that after just being molested, she attempted suicide. Tells you how emotionally weak she is as a person thus easily cowered and manipulated. (And thinking about this, how the fuck does she get to work as a certis security, which is almost like a police and they handle guns and gotta take down criminals!)

And real predators, often go for such women. Where it's like, "But she allowed me to hold her hand." "But she shares with me her innermost feelings and thoughts and seek me out for lunch all the time." "It seems like she was interested in me!"

Ya know, because such women are just "submissive" in a way. Also if a man has been very very nice to you, and you have spent alot of time with him, with him patiently listening to you, which I bet this guy have been to her, you would feel guilty thinking he has bad intentions and try not to jump into conclusions that he meant anything even though it sounds suspicious.


I'm not sure where you are going with this because there is not really any consent to even talk about and yes I agree this woman was probably not to bright.

Not to blame the woman but it would seem that even a woman who is "weak", submissive and not too bright, would by the time she had reached adulthood would have learned how to spot "red flags" and how divert things like this early in life with a simple; "I have other plans".

I would also say that the guy doesn't seem too bright either, whereas friendliness can be easily mistaken for more, he missed more than his share of "red flags" as he started to step over the line of friendship and consent.

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RE: Consent 2 - 11/4/2017 9:51:35 AM   
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Well, well, well!
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And I would like to thank you for sharing your opinion that "Consent" is something that should not be discussed or for that matter understood


Not just a lie, but a fucking lie, based upon a little conversation you're having with an imaginary "me" in your head. You're crap at mind reading. Give it up.
The point I was trying to make, "sir", is the confusion at why you would DIRECTLY LINK a new thread which is, ostensibly, an attempt at making what you feel is a valid point, with a thread that went off the rails, fairly quickly.

But, your less-nuanced (bullshit/deflection/projection) explanation of what I was thinking, when I was typing is a much easier argument for you to knock down, since it was the only one you could formulate. Well played.

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at least you tried to make your opinion humorous.


You teed it up for me. I just hit the drive and watched it sail.




As for the reason for "linking" the two threads, as I pointed out in the OP was to point out that the other one had "gone off the rails" and state my desire for a new thread to stay on topic or at least be about the topic but it seems that is a difficult concept for you to grasp.

Once again I would like to thank you for your "insights" on the topic of consent, feel free to continue with your train of "thought" on this subject, although it is somewhat difficult to find anything of substance about the actual topic in your comments, so far.

PS as for your "long" drive off the tee, it seems to be lost in the woods. ;-)

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RE: Consent 2 - 11/4/2017 11:33:19 AM   
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As for the reason for "linking" the two threads, as I pointed out in the OP was to point out that the other one had "gone off the rails" and state my desire for a new thread to stay on topic or at least be about the topic but it seems that is a difficult concept for you to grasp.

Your last thread on this started off the rails, mate.

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RE: Consent 2 - 11/4/2017 12:35:30 PM   
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As for the reason for "linking" the two threads, as I pointed out in the OP was to point out that the other one had "gone off the rails" and state my desire for a new thread to stay on topic or at least be about the topic but it seems that is a difficult concept for you to grasp.

Your last thread on this started off the rails, mate.

Well look, Froggys back and still seems to have nothing to say about the actual OP isn't that amazing?

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RE: Consent 2 - 11/4/2017 12:53:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
As for the reason for "linking" the two threads, as I pointed out in the OP was to point out that the other one had "gone off the rails" and state my desire for a new thread to stay on topic or at least be about the topic but it seems that is a difficult concept for you to grasp.

Your last thread on this started off the rails, mate.

Well look, Froggys back and still seems to have nothing to say about the actual OP isn't that amazing?

I thought it would be tactless to point out that the argument raised among your whining like a little bitch in this thread's OP was different to the hilarious bullshit about evolutionary theory removing consent as an issue in your first attempt.

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RE: Moronic Thread 2 - 11/4/2017 1:01:58 PM   
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