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JVoV -> RE: An American dialogue (12/3/2017 11:05:34 AM)
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: JVoV
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Yeah, I understand the angst is very real. The divide is very real.
And yes, there are bigots, but not everything that involves race or pride in a person's heritage is about racism. Not every issue touching upon gender is sexist. Not every conversation about LGBTQ+OMGBBQWTF's is hate speech. Not every discussion about religion freedoms and what we don't like about other religions, or people of other religions has to be discriminatory. Not every response to the latest shooting tragedy is about taking our guns.
More and more, it all boils down to "what about me and mine?". And until we can answer that, everything else is moot.
No one can take anything away from you that isn't yours (this statement and the rest of this paragraph will be using pronouns in a general way, and should not be misinterpreted as specifically applying to JVoV). The person who was hired instead of you didn't take "your" job. No one should get a leg up based on gender, gender identity, skin color, ethnicity, or lineage (unless it's a family-run business). Each decision should be based on the specific merits and qualifications of the situation.
Most discrimination is illegal in the US. Every instance of illegal discrimination should be treated the such, and each should merit appropriate consequences. As a straight white male, I should get everything I'm qualified for, unless there is another person who is more qualified. And, that should be the case for every person. I hope we can get to that point quickly.
Even if the taking isn't real, it is perceived. Very few people can admit that they're not the best person for whatever job they go after.
Then there's the idea of equality vs equity. Equality is everyone being given the same opportunity now, every step of the way, with their success based on themselves. Equity is more about doing what it takes to make sure an equal outcome is achievable, so Title 9, Affirmative Action, and other similarly motivated programs. But again, historically black colleges now have a much higher number of female graduates than male, while many classes in universities have zero black or Latino male students at all, even with AA still in place. And qualified white students are likely rejected because of quotas.
So we haven't yet addressed the root causes that prevent black males from going into higher education, much less directing them towards specific fields, so that we can eventually have a diversified workforce in all industries.
So there's the crowd screaming "we need help", and there's the crowd screaming "wtf else do u want".
It is wrong to turn away white students because there aren't enough qualified minority students applying to maintain a random quota. So where are we failing on getting those minority students qualified in the first place? Why aren't they applying?
The costs may be a huge determent. You're talking about $40k for 4 years at an in-state school, aside from actual costs of living. Out of state or private universities are gonna be at least double that, probably more. Middle class families often have trouble with those fees, but it's nearly impossible when you come from poverty and need to support yourself now, unless you can get some help, which isn't always possible from your family. In 2004, blacks made up 18% of new military recruits, that number has dropped to 17% as of 2015, though Hispanics and "others" have each gone up a total of 3%. Asians are steady at 4%.
Of course, on the flipside of that, the percentage of African Americans being incarcerated has decreased significantly since even 2000, which is good news that we don't hear about often.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/10/almost-nobody-is-paying-attention-to-this-massive-change-in-criminal-justice/
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