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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
I tend to apologize on a fairly regular basis.

Apologies seem best served rare. Pehaps a bit more thought would be helpful?

I hope you will allow this to be a teaching moment.

Telling me to “try to get on board” when you changed trains and pulled in an outside thread from which to quote was a gaslight.

A simple link to that quote and I would not have to “try to get on board”. I would have had a tool to succeed and instead I felt belittled and dumb because I could not find that quote anywhere even after reading three times through the thread.

It wasted my time and given how quickly my eyes give out, it was also a waste of a limited resource which could have been spent in more productive fashion than the seeking of phantoms.

For those reasons, I do feel an apology is appropriate.

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As to the "yes means yes, no means no" thing, I've been saying that, if not in this thread, than I did in his inane consent posts.
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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ORIGINAL: cloverodella
As to the "yes means yes, no means no" thing, I've been saying that, if not in this thread, than I did in his inane consent posts.

Thank you for the clarification, Clover.
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FR

The last word.

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I don't owe Bounty an apology, because the comment wasn't aimed at him personally. YOU HAVE DONE THAT! YOU APOLOGISE!

Needles

Well I guess we should thankful for your honesty in admitting you don't care who your rage, anger and hatred hits.

Honestly, what would it hurt to apologize to someone you may have accidentally besmirched?

Well, then I guess should apologize to everyone for making you who you are, yep, your rage, anger and hatred is all my fault and you were such a kind, loving and giving a person before. Sorry I couldn't stifle it any more.

Again, your raging HYPOCRITE! If Bounty came to me and thought that I had in some way insulted him, then I would apologise to him, but I'm not going to do because YOU CAN'T FRIGGIN READ!

You have the damn nerve to come out with this crap when you have not apologised to me for the lies you've pulled, and accusing me of being on the side of paedophiles, and you refuse point blank to refuse to Clover for calling her a paedophile apologist. You need to pull your head out of your arse to take a breath of fresh air. That way your brain may actually be able to engage in reasonable thought.

You know what, I don't much care what you think of my attitude towards you. Hate is a mighty big thing, and there isn't a single person that I hate. Not even my ex, and out of all the people I know he'd be the one that people would think had earned it the most. I don't even hate the man that abused me, and that isn't excusing what he's done, that's taking away his power. You see, there isn't a single person on this planet worthy of the energy it takes to hate them. Rage? lol You have absolutely no idea what my rage is, but you haven't seen it at all

The difference between you and I, I can admit when I'm wrong, and I do apologise, but you are too weak to do any of it.

Needles

Yeah, right, wait for bounty44 to beg you for an apology for what you've done, yep, that's the way it's done alright.

Yeah, right, apologize to you for what? Do you really think you are some innocent bystander that I accidentally insulted? Quite frankly, you have called me almost every vindictive thing you could come up with and in contrast I have been quite civil in speaking to you and now you want an apology, don't hold your breath.

As for this; "The difference between you and I, I can admit when I'm wrong, and I do apologize, but you are too weak to do any of it.", as I pointed out to Froggy, I have already made at least one apology in this very thread. For example:

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I apologize if I somehow I missed someone earlier pointing out that they thought it was an incorrect word choice
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There you go, so much for being too weak to apologize and not being able to do so. It wasn't a personal best apology but an apology none the less. Now Sidesteppe perhaps you would like to point out all the times you intimated you were wrong and apologized, maybe not all, just one will do.

Or even better why don't you just give bounty44 the apology he deserves? Or is that more common decency than you are able to muster?

PS I also could care less what your attitude is toward me is, I just thought you might want to consider how it might be the cause of your inability to think rationally.

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FR

The last word.

Dang, you stole the last word... Oh wait, does this mean that I now have the last word?

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Honestly, what would it hurt to apologize to someone you may have accidentally besmirched?

When you start doing so yourself, then you can give other people shit about that with a clear conscience.

Hi froggy,
Yeah right, that makes a lot of sense. Hey world nobody apologize, no matter what, until Milesnmiles makes an apology.

Froggy, if you actually kept up with what was being said in the thread, rather just looking for some place to jump in and try to insult me with your childish inane insults, perhaps you would have seen that I have already, in this very thread, made an apology, maybe not the one you want to see but I tend to apologize on a fairly regular basis.

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Naawwwww, go on, keep stropping about it like it's going to make you right, but no, I'm not going to apologise for something I haven't done, that exists only in your head, because you demand that I do.

Your lame ass excuse of an apology means jack shit. Clover told you she'd said the same as Focus, and you were then further told she had, but you couldn't bring yourself to apologise her personally, the way you are demanding I do. No, instead you lied, you said she'd insulted you in her first post, but I proved you to be a liar. You won't apologise for that either. You won't apologise for the fact that you insulted her in the most horrid way over something she never claimed in this thread. You're a raging hypocrite, and too weak to do it.

As for my apologies, go to John's thread on being polite, you'll see there that I edited my post. Right at the very beginning I state that I edited the post due to getting usernames and threads mixed up, and it states my apologies for doing so. No-one asked me to do it, I just did. Ironically it was this thread I was using, and another poster I was quoting thinking he was talking about that OP, but he was talking about YOU! I can't actually remember the last time I apologised in a thread. I've only just come back after helping to nurse my Grandad for three months with terminal cancer. We're awaiting conformation as to whether we bury him next week, so you see, I've had nothing recently to apologise for.

I'm not going to apologise for retaliating against you after you told me I was on the side of paedophiles knowing I'm an abuse victim. That is sick beyond measure to say to someone like me, but you're not man enough to say sorry. I'm not going to apologise for retaliating against you after you accused me of saying horrid things about children when I never did, but you're not man enough to apologise for that either. I'm also not going to apologise for telling you that your reading comprehension sucks, because here's the deal, I really don't think it does, I just think that you purposely choose to act like a dick by twisting what people say so that you can be the antagonist, and then try playing the victim. Well I'm not going to apologise for calling you out on your dickish behaviour either. You see, most people with reading issues would accept that they'ed misinterpreted something, and move on, but you don't. You keep insisting that you are right. YOU'RE NOT! Hence you're choosing to act like a dick. I'm not apologising for your choice in behaviour.

Now stop demanding that I apologise to Bounty, because I've explained that one enough. When you can man up and start handing out the apologies, personally, to the people you really have insulted, then you'll have ground to be taken seriously. Until then, as far as I'm concerned you're a waste of energy. Like Respectmen though, I'm sure you'll still twist this, still make your demands, and still have to have the last word, proving you're just as pathetic as he is, if not the same person.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Honestly, what would it hurt to apologize to someone you may have accidentally besmirched?

When you start doing so yourself, then you can give other people shit about that with a clear conscience.

Hi froggy,
Yeah right, that makes a lot of sense. Hey world nobody apologize, no matter what, until Milesnmiles makes an apology.

Froggy, if you actually kept up with what was being said in the thread, rather just looking for some place to jump in and try to insult me with your childish inane insults, perhaps you would have seen that I have already, in this very thread, made an apology, maybe not the one you want to see but I tend to apologize on a fairly regular basis.

Word to the wise (which probably means it's wasted on you, but whatevs): if you're calling somebody "froggy" you lack the moral authority to be whining and bitching about childish inane insults.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

Once again why do you feel you have the right to decide how others should want to be treated? If a woman wants the man to be an "aggressor" what right do you have to tell her that she is wrong?

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins
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I don't owe Bounty an apology, because the comment wasn't aimed at him personally. YOU HAVE DONE THAT! YOU APOLOGISE!

Needles

Well I guess we should thankful for your honesty in admitting you don't care who your rage, anger and hatred hits.

Honestly, what would it hurt to apologize to someone you may have accidentally besmirched?

Well, then I guess should apologize to everyone for making you who you are, yep, your rage, anger and hatred is all my fault and you were such a kind, loving and giving a person before. Sorry I couldn't stifle it any more.

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Right, my mind is still in the gutter because I have told you, yet again as you force me to defend my position YET AGAIN, about the INSULTS YOU THREW AT ME. No, that's not my mind in the gutter, that was always yours. Your disgusting mind throwing your shitting lies and insults at me. You do not get to pull that bullshit!

Nor have I thrown abuse at anyone other person in this thread. You are a very sick, and twisted individual. Nor am I a side stepper, because apart from refusing to do as you demanded with the apology to Bounty, I've done everything else asked of me. You on the other hand have failed everything asked of you, so how dare you call me the side stepper. You're the friggin epitome of it. If you weren't demanding the apology of me then you wouldn't have told me repeatedly to do it despite the fact that there is absolutely NO FUCKING NEED TO because, yet again, what i said was GENERIC, do you understand this word? Do you understand context? Do you understand how explanations go in discussions? Do you have mental issues, or are you really being a dick? these are rhetorical, you do not need to answer, but if you don't understand than Google is your friend.

Now until you can grow up, and man up, fuck off wasting my time.

Needles

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You're picking at bones in a thread you created ON AN ADULT SITE that very specifically states in the rules that at no times is their to be reference to minors. So, for the sake of ANY discussion within the confines of this site then we are ALL only talking about consent amongst ADULTS ONLY.

Quite frankly I pick at anything I want to and it is none of your business what I pick it.

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins
Get YOUR MIND out of the God damn gutter, and away from those that have no place being mentioned at all on this site. You see, just because we are talking about those that should ONLY be spoken about ON HERE, does not mean that anyone is a paedo apologist. It also doesn't give you the right to call people sticking to THE RULES OF THE SITE any such thing.

Again It is none of your business whether my mind is in the gutter or not so get over it. As for the "THE RULES OF THE SITE", I don't believe there are any "THE RULES OF THE SITE" that say you can't even mention pedophilia, especially if you are speaking out against it, like I am. In fact your attacking about it gives the impression that you are for it.

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Amongst ADULTS yes does mean yes, and no mean fucking no, so get over it, and stop being passive aggressive trying to poke your passive aggressive dick in holes where there aren't any in this ADULT site.

It appears anger is clouding your mind or you would understand that yes don't always mean yes even among ADULTS, if a ADULT person is drunk or on drugs then their YES can't be taken to mean yes. I already pointed this out to you but like I say it seems anger has blinded you.

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Oh, and if for one moment you're seriously going to claim that your mind is more aware of the horrid results of 'what Clover said' than mine, you can fuck off to hell! What it tells me is that you're someone I'd want my kids to stay well away from, because that's where you mind went on a site that is never supposed to be considering minors when talking sex.

I guess you missed it in your speed to damn me to hell for my wanting to stop child abuse, I already did claim I was more aware of the horrid results of 'what Clover said' than she appears to be. As for you, you appear to be so angry that I'm surprised that you can type let alone be aware of what you are reading and typing.

Honestly, I speak out about how something someone has said could lead to child abuse and you condemn me and try to silence me. You need to clam down so you can think more clearly.

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Once again why do you feel you have the right to decide how others should want to be treated? If a woman wants the man to be an "aggressor" what right do you have to tell her that she is wrong?

I don't but that would be in the context of a woman clearly negotiating that with a man, perhaps in the context of a BDSM relationship. I made that point in one of the car-crash consent threads.

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It would be quite inappropriate for a man to take up a position as an aggressor as a general approach to all women. Indeed any man who did so, without being absolutely sure that the woman specifically wanted that sort of relationship, would more than likely be guilty of harassing the woman in question.

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You know fine well that your initial comment about males being aggressors was a general one and not a specific one.

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You are just twisting what you said in the OP to backtrack from that position.

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That would be the position you never held because when pressed you claim never to have had any such position or claimed any such thing.

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Why not just have the courage of your convictions?

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You're picking at bones in a thread you created ON AN ADULT SITE that very specifically states in the rules that at no times is their to be reference to minors. So, for the sake of ANY discussion within the confines of this site then we are ALL only talking about consent amongst ADULTS ONLY.

Quite frankly I pick at anything I want to and it is none of your business what I pick it.

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Get YOUR MIND out of the God damn gutter, and away from those that have no place being mentioned at all on this site. You see, just because we are talking about those that should ONLY be spoken about ON HERE, does not mean that anyone is a paedo apologist. It also doesn't give you the right to call people sticking to THE RULES OF THE SITE any such thing.

Again It is none of your business whether my mind is in the gutter or not so get over it. As for the "THE RULES OF THE SITE", I don't believe there are any "THE RULES OF THE SITE" that say you can't even mention pedophilia, especially if you are speaking out against it, like I am. In fact your attacking about it gives the impression that you are for it.

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Amongst ADULTS yes does mean yes, and no mean fucking no, so get over it, and stop being passive aggressive trying to poke your passive aggressive dick in holes where there aren't any in this ADULT site.

It appears anger is clouding your mind or you would understand that yes don't always mean yes even among ADULTS, if a ADULT person is drunk or on drugs then their YES can't be taken to mean yes. I already pointed this out to you but like I say it seems anger has blinded you.

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Oh, and if for one moment you're seriously going to claim that your mind is more aware of the horrid results of 'what Clover said' than mine, you can fuck off to hell! What it tells me is that you're someone I'd want my kids to stay well away from, because that's where you mind went on a site that is never supposed to be considering minors when talking sex.

I guess you missed it in your speed to damn me to hell for my wanting to stop child abuse, I already did claim I was more aware of the horrid results of 'what Clover said' than she appears to be. As for you, you appear to be so angry that I'm surprised that you can type let alone be aware of what you are reading and typing.

Honestly, I speak out about how something someone has said could lead to child abuse and you condemn me and try to silence me. You need to clam down so you can think more clearly.

Right, so I'm putting up. Whether you're accusing me of being on the side of paedophiles, or for what they do, or whatever else semantics you want to claim for this, because 'for it' is rather ambiguous, you threw an insult at an abuse victim putting me as a perpetrator. Damn right I'm not happy about that. I have NEVER given the impression that I am 'for it' on anything to do with child abuse, and only someone as sick in the head as you would think that I had.

Exactly HOW is my mind in the gutter? Go ahead and explain that. Explain how calling you out on your lies, and the abuse you've hurled at me is my mind in the gutter.

Stop trying to play the victim, you're not. You've been reaping what you're sowing. Man up and deal with that.

I'll take that apology now thanks, but I'm guessing you'll worm your way out of it, because you're just not man enough to admit you're wrong!

Needles

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how about checking out your; "where I didn't attack you at all", hmmm it seems you made this non-insult in that non-offensive post; "(here's a totally! new! concept!) take no for no", nope, no insult there.

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I tend to apologize on a fairly regular basis.

Apologies seem best served rare. Pehaps a bit more thought would be helpful?

I hope you will allow this to be a teaching moment.

Telling me to “try to get on board” when you changed trains and pulled in an outside thread from which to quote was a gaslight.

A simple link to that quote and I would not have to “try to get on board”. I would have had a tool to succeed and instead I felt belittled and dumb because I could not find that quote anywhere even after reading three times through the thread.

It wasted my time and given how quickly my eyes give out, it was also a waste of a limited resource which could have been spent in more productive fashion than the seeking of phantoms.

For those reasons, I do feel an apology is appropriate.

Let me see if I can help you out.
At post#78 Cloverodella said this:

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As to the "yes means yes, no means no" thing, I've been saying that, if not in this thread, than I did in his inane consent posts.
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At post#83 you said this:

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As to the "yes means yes, no means no" thing, I've been saying that, if not in this thread, than I did in his inane consent posts.

Thank you for the clarification, Clover.
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Which I assumed meant that you understood that at least in this thread that Cloverodella was the originator of the quote. As for where it might have originated, outside of this thread, I don't know. Perhaps Cloverodella, is better a person to inform you on that subject and you might ask her.

Also, I was unaware of "leaving you in the lurch" and only wish you had informed me earlier of your difficulties but that being said, I do apologize for any difficulties I may have caused you.

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Once again why do you feel you have the right to decide how others should want to be treated? If a woman wants the man to be an "aggressor" what right do you have to tell her that she is wrong?

I don't but that would be in the context of a woman clearly negotiating that with a man, perhaps in the context of a BDSM relationship. I made that point in one of the car-crash consent threads.

Again, if that is what a woman wants why would you tell her she has to negotiiate it?

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
It would be quite inappropriate for a man to take up a position as an aggressor as a general approach to all women. Indeed any man who did so, without being absolutely sure that the woman specifically wanted that sort of relationship, would more than likely be guilty of harassing the woman in question.

Again, with the "aggressor" thing, if you don't like the word replace it with something you like, how about "taking the lead"? Are you really advocating that the man should ask upfront whether he should take the lead or whether she would like to?

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
You know fine well that your initial comment about males being aggressors was a general one and not a specific one.

Yes, I do.

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You are just twisting what you said in the OP to backtrack from that position.

Actually I said that was the way I was raised and in the OP I did not say whether that is still my opinion or not.

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That would be the position you never held because when pressed you claim never to have had any such position or claimed any such thing.

I don't believe anyone has ever actually bothered to ask me what my position is, which I find interesting because it seems everyone seems to think they know my position.

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Why not just have the courage of your convictions?

Just because no one has ever bothered to ask me what my position is, does not mean that I don't have "courage of my convictions".

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Side stepper! I call bullshit. You see, you knew exactly what YOU were accusing me of, no-one else thought any such thing, only YOU in your twisted horrid mind. You see, as I said before, your mind is the one in the gutter to go there first by accusing Clover. I was defending her, and I was saying that NO ADULT IN THEIR RIGHT MIND HERE ON AN ADULT BDSM SITE would have gone where your depraved mind went. That isn't me giving the impression of being for anything other than against your uncalled for abuse towards another member. You're side stepping by trying to twist your own words WEAK! 'Gives the impression you are for it'- really? You seriously think that is so very different from saying 'It gives the impression you are on their side' grow the fuck up silly man. It's the same damn thing. Give the impression to whom? ONLY YOU WITH YOUR MIND IN THE GUTTER! Or what else am I supposed to understand by it? As the abuse victim are you saying that I was giving the impression I was for the abuse inflicted on me. Because if I'm getting so wrong, step up and explain yourself. What exactly am I giving the impression I'm for? What in your sick head even leads you there down in that gutter.

Funny how I'm supposed to take your 'That's not what I meant', when you know full well that it all amounts to the same thing, but when what I've written in my reply to Bounty is explained as generic, and can't possibly be aimed at him personally seeing as he's had no part in the discussion, yet you insist I have to apologise for something I never did. I show you this, I tell you I AM INSULTED BY THIS. YOU ARE BEING OFFENSIVE WITH THIS, but you are still too weak ass to say sorry! I told you you lied when you accused me of saying horrid things about children, I asked you to prove what I'd said, step up yourself, but you failed, because you're too weak ass to do it. It would mean you would have to say sorry, but you can't, too damn weak.

I notice you also side stepped the request to explain exactly how it's my mind in the gutter, but that your mind isn't.

I'm exceptionally self aware, and I know my faults. I'll throw out just as much as is thrown at me when faced with someone like you. What I will never do though is lower myself to your level by insinuating that an abuse victim would ever be 'for it', whatever twisted little spin you want to put on that. Think you're clever with it all you like, but you're just sick.

LYING HYPOCRITE!

Needles

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Hi Sidestepper, Several times now you have stated that I have accused of you of being on "the side of paedophiles" and that is why you are so upset, can't get your mind out of the gutter and why you can't stop with your pretty much nonstop abuse. Okay, show me where you think I said you were on "the side of paedophiles" and I will apologize to you and not something like you might giving the impression that you are for it but that I actually said you are on ""the side of paedophiles" and yes I will apologize. Put up or shut up.