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RE: Obama Mocks Trump Over Creating US Jobs - YouTube - 1/4/2018 4:27:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-dows-tumultuous-120-year-history-in-one-chart-2017-03-23

there is the chart, proving that Drudge (which we all knew) is FAKE NEWS.

Not only did the DOW triple under Obama but he was still a black, liberal, Kenyan socialist/fascist...out to destroy the country. So geee, I wonder...what's different now ?

I know people heavily in the market yet nobody in the DOW index. Not representative of our broader economy. I don't know anybody who gives a fuck what the fucking DOW does ?

As I've written, if Walmart and McDonalds go up and all 28 other DOW Index stocks remain the same or even go down...the fucking DOW INDEX...still goes up.

Big fucking deal. The DOW doesn't create jobs. Start-ups create jobs. The risk averse, capitalist pussies on Wall street wants no part of start ups where the real risk is taken.

Plus let's not forget, the repubs in congress are borrowing trillion$ from our kids and theirs to handout those trillion$ mostly to the DOW in windfall tax cuts. Of course the speculators are all over that like freshmeat.

Which means what ? That the tax cut and the windfall it is, represents nothing in terms of the economic fundamentals that would bring an increased GDP or new demand for jobs. The investor class strikes again.



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RE: Obama Mocks Trump Over Creating US Jobs - YouTube - 1/4/2018 5:38:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-dows-tumultuous-120-year-history-in-one-chart-2017-03-23

there is the chart, proving that Drudge (which we all knew) is FAKE NEWS.

Not only did the DOW triple under Obama but he was still a black, liberal, Kenyan socialist/fascist...out to destroy the country. So geee, I wonder...what's different now ?

I know people heavily in the market yet nobody in the DOW index. Not representative of our broader economy. I don't know anybody who gives a fuck what the fucking DOW does ?

As I've written, if Walmart and McDonalds go up and all 28 other DOW Index stocks remain the same or even go down...the fucking DOW INDEX...still goes up.

Big fucking deal. The DOW doesn't create jobs. Start-ups create jobs. The risk averse, capitalist pussies on Wall street wants no part of start ups where the real risk is taken.

Plus let's not forget, the repubs in congress are borrowing trillion$ from our kids and theirs to handout those trillion$ mostly to the DOW in windfall tax cuts. Of course the speculators are all over that like freshmeat.

Which means what ? That the tax cut and the windfall it is, represents nothing in terms of the economic fundamentals that would bring an increased GDP or new demand for jobs. The investor class strikes again.





Keep howling... We don't see what is right in front of us in black and white...

The jobs that Obama mocked President Trump for predicting, that Obama said ARE NOT COMING BACK (because he expected that Hillary would continue his failed policies that at best saw very meager 2% growth) are BACK - bigly

HUUUUUUUUUUUGE job growth



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RE: Obama Mocks Trump Over Creating US Jobs - YouTube - 1/4/2018 5:45:28 PM   
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What never went above 2%??

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RE: Obama Mocks Trump Over Creating US Jobs - YouTube - 1/4/2018 6:44:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-dows-tumultuous-120-year-history-in-one-chart-2017-03-23

there is the chart, proving that Drudge (which we all knew) is FAKE NEWS.

Not only did the DOW triple under Obama but he was still a black, liberal, Kenyan socialist/fascist...out to destroy the country. So geee, I wonder...what's different now ?

I know people heavily in the market yet nobody in the DOW index. Not representative of our broader economy. I don't know anybody who gives a fuck what the fucking DOW does ?

As I've written, if Walmart and McDonalds go up and all 28 other DOW Index stocks remain the same or even go down...the fucking DOW INDEX...still goes up.

Big fucking deal. The DOW doesn't create jobs. Start-ups create jobs. The risk averse, capitalist pussies on Wall street wants no part of start ups where the real risk is taken.

Plus let's not forget, the repubs in congress are borrowing trillion$ from our kids and theirs to handout those trillion$ mostly to the DOW in windfall tax cuts. Of course the speculators are all over that like freshmeat.

Which means what ? That the tax cut and the windfall it is, represents nothing in terms of the economic fundamentals that would bring an increased GDP or new demand for jobs. The investor class strikes again.





Keep howling... We don't see what is right in front of us in black and white...

The jobs that Obama mocked President Trump for predicting, that Obama said ARE NOT COMING BACK (because he expected that Hillary would continue his failed policies that at best saw very meager 2% growth) are BACK - bigly

HUUUUUUUUUUUGE job growth



Under Obama, the US created 250,000 or more jobs in a month several times.

GDP growth as recently reported at 3% is a qrtly report not an annual growth.

Under Obama between 2009 and 2016, GDP growth reached at or above 3% on a quarterly basis about eight times.

Yet Obama's growth was slow due to his policies not the policy of an uncooperative repub congress and was still that black, liberal, Kenyan, socialist/fascist out to ruin the country.

Shall we go with your partisan spin...having the same origin ?

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RE: Obama Mocks Trump Over Creating US Jobs - YouTube - 1/4/2018 6:46:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

What never went above 2%??

He means GDP growth and of course as usual...he's wrong.

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RE: Obama Mocks Trump Over Creating US Jobs - YouTube - 1/4/2018 6:48:03 PM   
Lucylastic


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not wrong, but willfully ignorant or lying:)
hes been debunked about the quarterly gdp growth, twice at least.


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RE: Obama Mocks Trump Over Creating US Jobs - YouTube - 1/4/2018 6:57:12 PM   
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Has Anyone Noticed That Trump's Economy Keeps Beating Expectations?

The number of people filing for unemployment benefits last week came in "unexpectedly" low. Instead of 240,000 claims, there were 236,000, which marked the third week in a row this number has dropped.

That's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. It's just one measure, after all, and the differences aren't huge.

Except it adds to a pile of "unexpectedly" good economic reports that have been coming out these days.

ADP reported that payrolls "unexpectedly" climbed 190,000 in November, while analysts had predicted 185,000.

Consumer confidence "unexpectedly" hit a 17-year high in November.

Labor costs "unexpectedly" fell in the third quarter while productivity surged. Economists thought costs would edge up by 0.3%.

Retail sales in October "unexpectedly" rose. Economists had expected them to be flat.

These are pulled just from headlines of the past few weeks. But the trend started almost as soon as President Trump took office.

Normally, it takes months for a new administration's economic policies to take effect. But there was a sharp surge in business and consumer optimism, and the stock market has been on an upward trajectory, since the day Trump got elected. The IBD/TIPP Economic Optimism Index has been in positive territory for 15 months straight. What's more, Trump was able to take immediate executive action on regulations, which sent a signal to businesses, markets and consumers alike.

Now it appears that overall economic growth for the entire year could be, you guessed it, "unexpectedly" high.

On Friday, the government will release the unemployment figures for November. But at 4.1%, the unemployment rate is already "unexpectedly" low. The consensus was that unemployment would average 4.6% for the year, but it's been under 4.6% since March.

At the start of the year, economists were in widespread agreement that inflation-adjusted GDP would grow 2% to 2.3%. The National Association of Business Economists survey put it at 2.2%. The Congressional Budget Office predicted growth would be 2.3%, as did Trump's own economists.

But annualized growth was 3.1% in the second quarter and 3.3% in the third. The Atlanta Fed's GDPNow measure, which includes economic data available for the fourth quarter up to this point, currently stands at 3.2%. If that holds for the quarter, then growth for the year would be above 2.3%. (It would also mark the first time the economy has put together three straight quarters of 3% or higher growth since 2005.)

All of this marks a sharp turnaround from the past eight years when, under President Obama's economic stewardship, GDP growth never once came close to meeting the consensus forecasts.

At the start of 2016, for example, the White House forecast 2.6% growth for the year and the CBO 2.7%. The actual number: 1.5%.

Month after month during Obama's eight years in office, economic indicators kept coming in worse than expected.

And after each disappointment, Obama would blame "headwinds" and promise that strong growth was just around the corner.

So, let's review.

Economists were continually overestimating growth under big-spending, high-taxing, regulatory-happy Obama, and underestimating growth under Trump's pro-business, tax-cutting, deregulatory policies.

One might be tempted to conclude that these economists are either ideologically biased or pretty lousy at their jobs.

MORE

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RE: Obama Mocks Trump Over Creating US Jobs - YouTube - 1/4/2018 7:12:08 PM   
MrRodgers


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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


FR

Has Anyone Noticed That Trump's Economy Keeps Beating Expectations?

The number of people filing for unemployment benefits last week came in "unexpectedly" low. Instead of 240,000 claims, there were 236,000, which marked the third week in a row this number has dropped.

That's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. It's just one measure, after all, and the differences aren't huge.

Except it adds to a pile of "unexpectedly" good economic reports that have been coming out these days.

ADP reported that payrolls "unexpectedly" climbed 190,000 in November, while analysts had predicted 185,000.

Consumer confidence "unexpectedly" hit a 17-year high in November.

Labor costs "unexpectedly" fell in the third quarter while productivity surged. Economists thought costs would edge up by 0.3%.

Retail sales in October "unexpectedly" rose. Economists had expected them to be flat.

These are pulled just from headlines of the past few weeks. But the trend started almost as soon as President Trump took office.

Normally, it takes months for a new administration's economic policies to take effect. But there was a sharp surge in business and consumer optimism, and the stock market has been on an upward trajectory, since the day Trump got elected. The IBD/TIPP Economic Optimism Index has been in positive territory for 15 months straight. What's more, Trump was able to take immediate executive action on regulations, which sent a signal to businesses, markets and consumers alike.

Now it appears that overall economic growth for the entire year could be, you guessed it, "unexpectedly" high.

On Friday, the government will release the unemployment figures for November. But at 4.1%, the unemployment rate is already "unexpectedly" low. The consensus was that unemployment would average 4.6% for the year, but it's been under 4.6% since March.

At the start of the year, economists were in widespread agreement that inflation-adjusted GDP would grow 2% to 2.3%. The National Association of Business Economists survey put it at 2.2%. The Congressional Budget Office predicted growth would be 2.3%, as did Trump's own economists.

But annualized growth was 3.1% in the second quarter and 3.3% in the third. The Atlanta Fed's GDPNow measure, which includes economic data available for the fourth quarter up to this point, currently stands at 3.2%. If that holds for the quarter, then growth for the year would be above 2.3%. (It would also mark the first time the economy has put together three straight quarters of 3% or higher growth since 2005.)

All of this marks a sharp turnaround from the past eight years when, under President Obama's economic stewardship, GDP growth never once came close to meeting the consensus forecasts.

At the start of 2016, for example, the White House forecast 2.6% growth for the year and the CBO 2.7%. The actual number: 1.5%.

Month after month during Obama's eight years in office, economic indicators kept coming in worse than expected.

And after each disappointment, Obama would blame "headwinds" and promise that strong growth was just around the corner.

So, let's review.

Economists were continually overestimating growth under big-spending, high-taxing, regulatory-happy Obama, and underestimating growth under Trump's pro-business, tax-cutting, deregulatory policies.

One might be tempted to conclude that these economists are either ideologically biased or pretty lousy at their jobs.

MORE

Economic expectations are a little like the fantasies in the mind of those HS juveniles...great expectations.

No shit didn't happen like that at all with your month after month bullshit. You grasp at straws for your partisanship, even now...revising history.

Furthermore, there's always money flying into paper and a rally for markets when a R is elected, they are the R's constituency.

Oh and productivity growth as done very well now for 40 years. Too bad those that produced didn't get any of the rewards.

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