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RE: The 7 things you can't say at the CDC - 12/18/2017 12:44:56 PM   
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It also seems the HHS have other issues with public comments as well
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/18/hhs-faith-based-rule-withholding-comments-236759?lo=ap_c1

HHS holds back critical comments on faith-based rule
HHS’ selective disclosure could lead to legal challenges, particularly under the Administrative Procedure Act.
The Department of Health and Human Services is refusing to make public more than 10,000 comments on a Trump administration proposal to reduce federal regulations for religious and faith-based groups that could affect access to abortion and care for transgender patients, according to sources with knowledge of the decision.

The agency has instead posted 80 comments — less than 1 percent of all submissions — that overwhemingly back the administration’s anti-abortion policies or attack regulations advanced by the Obama administration, such as a rule forcing health care providers that accept federal funding to provide services to transgender patients.

HHS’ selective disclosure could lead to legal challenges, particularly under the Administrative Procedure Act, and is raising new questions at a time when the agency’s transparency is already under scrutiny. If HHS doesn’t post and address comments on the rule, “there may be grounds for an APA challenge for whatever rule comes out of the process,” said Alison Tanner of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, which filed a Freedom of Information Act request seeking the missing comments three weeks ago.

Under that law, agencies must solicit public comment as part of the rule-making process. They typically post all comments received through the website regulations.gov.


HHS did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The proposal, which was posted on Oct. 25 and invited public comment through Nov. 24, represents a top priority of religious groups that have chafed under regulations such as the 2016 Obama administration directive on serving transgender patients. HHS chose to repeatedly highlight comments that attacked that regulation.

The Coalition Against Religious Discrimination — which includes the ACLU, the NAACP and 44 other groups — warned HHS against using its proposal to craft new exemptions for faith-based organizations, which could then pursue their own hiring and health care policies and potentially exclude patients seeking access to abortion, transgender-related care or other services that might provoke objections from religious conservatives.

"Taxpayer-funded social-service providers should not be allowed to use a religious litmus test to determine whom they will serve or employ, or to refuse to perform functions for which they are receiving public funds," Americans United’s Tanner wrote in her FOIA request submitted to HHS last month.

Groups that submitted still-unreleased criticism of HHS' proposal say they're mystified by the agency's decision not to post replies, particularly since some of the groups have made their comments public on their own. “It’s very apparent that there’s something in the comments that doesn’t fit into their narrative,” said Mara Keisling, who runs the National Center for Transgender Equality and submitted comments that have yet to appear. So, too, are multiple staffers inside the health agency who spoke with POLITICO on condition of anonymity.

According to regulations.gov, HHS received 10,729 public comments, of which 10,649 have yet to be posted. HHS did post 71 comments that strongly support its proposal or raise related religious concerns. Those positive comments were heavily front-loaded at the start of the comment period; for the first two weeks, all 36 comments that the agency made public supported its position.

Meanwhile, HHS made public just nine critical comments, six of which were included in its final batch of posting. A person with knowledge of HHS' decision said that administrators, facing questions from outside the agency, posted a flurry of last-minute criticism in hopes of making a curated selection of comments appear more balanced.

HHS’ proposal is being overseen by Shannon Royce, who leads the agency’s Center for Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships and previously served as chief operating officer of the conservative Family Research Council until May 2017. Royce is a prominent anti-abortion activist, and during her time running the FRC’s day-to-day operations, the group posted a 42-page issue brief that termed transgender people as "an assault on the sexes."

"Neither lawmakers … nor medical professionals should participate in or reinforce the transgender movement's lies about sexuality," the brief concluded. "Nor should they be required by the government to support such distortion."

Many of the favorable comments on the proposal suggest the need for a broad accommodation for faith-based providers.

"As a family physician with a worldview that acknowledges a loving God who has authority that supersedes any person or government, I cannot comply with recent federal legislation including the HHS Transgender Mandate," a commenter identified as John Petrilli of Premier Community Healthcare wrote in a comment posted by HHS on Nov. 13.

Other comments called for a reordering of priorities.

"I am very concerned about the transgender mandate," added a commenter identified as Andrea Herman, a doctor with Catholic Health Initiatives, which HHS also posted on Nov. 13. "I think the feds have no business spending dollars and enacting mandates for transgender medical treatment … until we have made significant headway and thereby reduced health-care spending on matters that affect much more of us, such as obesity."


more at the link.

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RE: The 7 things you can't say at the CDC - 12/18/2017 12:45:59 PM   
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Because you're making excuses for them, and insisting that their attempt to politicise a budget report through censorship isn't any such thing.
You're even doing so in a rather whiney fashion.

You whine like a bitch.

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RE: The 7 things you can't say at the CDC - 12/18/2017 12:47:57 PM   
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Because you're making excuses for them, and insisting that their attempt to politicise a budget report through censorship isn't any such thing.
You're even doing so in a rather whiney fashion.

You whine like a bitch.

If you don't like getting lumped in with them, stop making excuses for them.

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RE: The 7 things you can't say at the CDC - 12/18/2017 12:54:21 PM   
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well it could be fake news, BUT....


Two senior Democrats in the House and Senate are demanding more information about why Trump administration officials have reportedly told staff at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and other agencies to avoid using certain words or phrases in official budget documents.
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/365459-dems-demand-answers-on-cdc-banned-words-list

Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) and Rep. Frank Pallone Jr. (D-N.J.) said in a letter sent Monday to acting Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Eric Hargan that the policy “sends a clear message that the Trump Administration is yet again prioritizing ideology over science.”


The Washington Post reported Saturday that the Trump administration has informed multiple divisions within HHS that they should avoid using certain words or phrases in official documents being drafted for next year’s budget.

The phrases include “vulnerable,” “entitlement,” “diversity,” “transgender,” “fetus,” “evidence-based” and “science-based.”

“The prohibition has the potential to freeze scientific advancement at the agency and across the Department,” the letter said.

Pallone and Murray called on HHS to explain the rationale for the prohibition, whether it applies to all agencies and divisions within HHS, and for the full list of words that agency staff is prohibited from using.

The lawmakers demanded answers by Jan. 2.

“The Department’s leaders cannot both uphold a commitment to prioritizing science over politics and ideology and support prohibiting the use of key words and phrases that are central to the broader health mission of the Department,” Murray and Pallone wrote.

Pallone is the ranking Democrat on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, and Murray is the ranking Democrat on the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee.

“We are incredibly concerned by this unconscionable restriction on agency communications and the message this sends regarding the critical health and scientific work of the Department,” the lawmakers wrote.
In tweets sent after the Post report came out, the head of the CDC disputed the idea of a banned words list.

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RE: The 7 things you can't say at the CDC - 12/18/2017 12:57:09 PM   
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Given that Brenda Fitzgerald has only been at the CDC since July, im pretty sure its not fake news.
theres also this from last week about her specifically
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/12/11/new-cdc-head-faces-questions-about-financial-conflicts-of-interest/?utm_term=.64fde766db0d



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RE: The 7 things you can't say at the CDC - 12/18/2017 1:07:19 PM   
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If you don't like getting lumped in with them, stop making excuses for them.

Go ahead and point out where I did that. It's not my fault if you can't handle a different perspective.

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RE: The 7 things you can't say at the CDC - 12/18/2017 2:44:07 PM   
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If you don't like getting lumped in with them, stop making excuses for them.

Go ahead and point out where I did that. It's not my fault if you can't handle a different perspective.

Post 44: Insisting that censorship is acceptable because the language in a budget statement doesn't have to be accurate is a particularly pathetic and unconvincing excuse, but it's still an excuse.

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RE: The 7 things you can't say at the CDC - 12/18/2017 3:10:36 PM   
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Post 44: Insisting that censorship is acceptable because the language in a budget statement doesn't have to be accurate is a particularly pathetic and unconvincing excuse, but it's still an excuse.

LOL! You're fucking high. All I said was that it didn't seem to make any difference to me which word was used based on what was being said. That's not even remotely the same as "insisting that censorship is acceptable".

Try again.

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RE: The 7 things you can't say at the CDC - 12/19/2017 10:39:57 AM   
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I'm wondering ... in a CDC budget report, wouldn't one think ALL items would be, by definition, be "science-based"?





.....or at least math-based.

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RE: The 7 things you can't say at the CDC - 12/19/2017 10:43:49 AM   
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It could be a big deal if things like Social Vulnerability Indexes and services are part of the CDC budget and are being effected by verbiage 'bans'.

I'm not at all certain why "science-based" would be banned, unless it was used in context in an inflammatory manner? In a budget proposal?

Because anything science-based that doesn't comport to this crew's agenda to make America white again and their needs for the ignorance of their supporters.

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RE: The 7 things you can't say at the CDC - 12/19/2017 10:58:55 AM   
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No. This isn't the worst George Carlin bit ever. This is reality.
https://www.gaystarnews.com/article/center-disease-control-gets-list-forbidden-words-transgender-among/amp/
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The United States’ Center for Disease Control (CDC) received a list from the Trump administration of seven words and phrases they’re no longer allowed to use in their budget reports. Among the list is ‘transgender,’ ‘science-based,’ ‘diversity,’ ‘vulnerable,’ and ‘fetus.’
Policy analysts for the CDC in Atlanta were told of this list on Thursday (14 December) during a 90-minute briefing. Documents related to the federal budget proposal were sent back to the agency for ‘correction,’ as they used these phrases. Alison Kelly, a senior leader at the CDC’s office for financial services, reportedly led this meeting and did not explain why these terms were banned.
The full list of banned terms is as follows:
vulnerable
entitlement
diversity
transgender
fetus
evidence-based
science-based


OMG!!! They can't use those words in their budget reports. The sky is falling! The sky is falling!




The sky isn’t falling. But this is still bullshit.

I can’t imagine why you would pretend otherwise.

Well you see this report has in its title...the word budget which means money. Obviously a red flag for all money-based, for-profit societies like the US. Yes, even though there aren't any societies like the US on that level.

Those descriptions on that list, are simply...not to exist. Once that's accomplished, no mo-money. Should we all look forward to the next pandemic ?


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RE: The 7 things you can't say at the CDC - 12/19/2017 11:04:20 AM   
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You may be right, but, it's also possible you're not.

I truly don't believe this will be of any real consequence.



Sounds like an effort to force leftists 'deep state' types to stop placing purely emotional arguments into documents where logic and reason had ought to dictate policy and numbers

Leftists lost the election and as Obama loved to say, elections have consequences

Not only has the CIA, FBI et al, gone leftist, now the CDC bureaucrat is too. But hey, I understand, for the right, making billion$ off diseases is pretty fucking emotional.

There's your real vulnerability and entitlement...money, profits.

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RE: The 7 things you can't say at the CDC - 12/19/2017 1:08:18 PM   
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A CDC technician once told me that the worst thing you can say in the Virulent Pathogens Laboratory is "oops!"

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RE: The 7 things you can't say at the CDC - 12/19/2017 2:59:49 PM   
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A CDC technician once told me that the worst thing you can say in the Virulent Pathogens Laboratory is "oops!"


theres an old bill cosby skit by that title and the person in question is a surgeon.

"retractor

"scalpel

"oops"

"say whatttt?!"


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RE: The 7 things you can't say at the CDC - 12/19/2017 3:32:36 PM   
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this is priceless. as if the comrades ever need any more egg on their faces:

"Revealed: Bogus 'Trump Banned Words at the CDC' Story Was Rooted in Suggested Guidelines From Liberal Bureaucrats"

quote:

If you're just joining this flap, here's a short recap: Late last week, it was reported that Trump administration officials at the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) had sought to "ban" words they deemed to be controversial, including "transgender" and "fetus." This sparked an immediate outcry, as Orwellian censorship rarely plays well with the American people. The Trump-hostile media were in full throat, pounding the table against this anti-science outrage. The original story ("forbidden words") appeared in the Washington Post, then spread like wildfire. Here is CNN's framing of it:

quote:

Officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the very agency tasked with saving and protecting the lives of the most vulnerable, are now under order by the Trump administration to stop using words including "vulnerable" in 2018 budget documents, according to The Washington Post. In a 90-minute briefing on Thursday, policy analysts at the nation's leading public health institute were presented with the menu of seven banned words, an analyst told the paper. On the list: "diversity," "fetus," "transgender," "vulnerable," "entitlement," "science-based" and "evidence-based."...As news of the word ban spreads at the CDC, the analyst expects growing backlash. "Our subject matter experts will not lay down quietly," the unnamed source said. "This hasn't trickled down to them yet."


Prominent Democrats and leftists quickly piled on, and just a few hours ago, the Baltimore Sun promulgated the story in an op/ed. As someone who co-authored an entire book arguing against the stifling of political speech, the initial details of this contretemps, as originally reported, were concerning to me:

quote:

Some of these words and terms are abused and/or overused, but *banning* them? Creepy. #EndofDiscussion https://t.co/xfEaXiK7LG
— Guy Benson (@guypbenson) December 16, 2017


Many conservatives were rightly aghast when the Obama administration insisted upon euphemisms (overseas contigency operations, workplace violence, etc) and censorship ("Islam" and "jihad") to airbrush national conversations about serious issues. It seemed to me that if the Trump administration were doing something similar here, we should push back. But as Christine wrote yesterday, the CDC's director took to social media to dispel these reports, swatting down what she called a "complete mischaracterization:"

quote:

HHS statement addressing media reports: "The assertion that HHS has 'banned words' is a complete mischaracterization of discussions regarding the budget formulation process. HHS will continue to use the best scientific evidence available to improve the health of all Americans."
— Dr Brenda Fitzgerald (@CDCDirector) December 17, 2017


Additionally, the New York Times quoted administration sources who debunked the "ban" claim, explaining that the new guidelines were merely (non-mandatroy) suggestions about how to present topics in budget-related documents, not scientific or medical content. In other words, the justifications for media hyperventilation over alleged Trump-imposed authoritarian word purges were slowly falling apart. But it gets even worse. Writing at National Review, former Bush administration official Yuval Levin did some digging and has now revealed the perfect punchline for this sadly-typical episode of journalistic laziness and confirmation bias. The anti-Trump narrative was "too good to check," then disintegrated completely when someone finally bothered to check:

quote:

These [terms] are “avoid when possible” terms in a style guide specifically intended for budget documents. They’re not words that are banned in the department. Second, these three terms to avoid apparently came up in the course of a meeting among career officials at the CDC late last week about preparing next year’s congressional-justification documents. That discussion then led to a conversation in the meeting about other terms that might be best avoided...This meeting did not involve any political appointees, and apparently the conversation about terms beyond “diversity,” “entitlements,” and “vulnerable” was not about terms that anyone in the department had said should be avoided but about terms that it might be wise to avoid so as not to raise red flags among Republicans in Congress. In other words, what happened regarding these other terms (“transgender,” “fetus,” “evidence-based,” and “science-based”) was not that retrograde Republicans ordered career CDC officials not to use these terms but that career CDC officials assumed retrograde Republicans would be triggered by such words and, in an effort to avoid having such Republicans cut their budgets, reasoned they might be best avoided.


Amazing: The "banned" words were never banned, and were dreamed up as part of a list of suggested guidelines for budget documents by career (non-Trump-appointed) bureaucrats who were trying to avoid 'triggering' Congressional Republicans through the inclusion of those terms. So this entire freakout was based on comprehensively fake news -- yet it's virtually guaranteed that multiple days of dramatic news stories and breathless social media posts left a widespread and false impression on millions of news consumers. Many Americans do not trust the press for precisely this reason, and Trump-hostile journalists keep soiling their own reputations by reporting and repeating overwrought or totally inaccurate stories that happen to align with their pre-existing biases.


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RE: The 7 things you can't say at the CDC - 12/19/2017 4:27:26 PM   
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this is priceless. as if the comrades ever need any more egg on their faces:

"Revealed: Bogus 'Trump Banned Words at the CDC' Story Was Rooted in Suggested Guidelines From Liberal Bureaucrats"

quote:

If you're just joining this flap, here's a short recap: Late last week, it was reported that Trump administration officials at the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) had sought to "ban" words they deemed to be controversial, including "transgender" and "fetus." This sparked an immediate outcry, as Orwellian censorship rarely plays well with the American people. The Trump-hostile media were in full throat, pounding the table against this anti-science outrage. The original story ("forbidden words") appeared in the Washington Post, then spread like wildfire. Here is CNN's framing of it:

quote:

Officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the very agency tasked with saving and protecting the lives of the most vulnerable, are now under order by the Trump administration to stop using words including "vulnerable" in 2018 budget documents, according to The Washington Post. In a 90-minute briefing on Thursday, policy analysts at the nation's leading public health institute were presented with the menu of seven banned words, an analyst told the paper. On the list: "diversity," "fetus," "transgender," "vulnerable," "entitlement," "science-based" and "evidence-based."...As news of the word ban spreads at the CDC, the analyst expects growing backlash. "Our subject matter experts will not lay down quietly," the unnamed source said. "This hasn't trickled down to them yet."


Prominent Democrats and leftists quickly piled on, and just a few hours ago, the Baltimore Sun promulgated the story in an op/ed. As someone who co-authored an entire book arguing against the stifling of political speech, the initial details of this contretemps, as originally reported, were concerning to me:

quote:

Some of these words and terms are abused and/or overused, but *banning* them? Creepy. #EndofDiscussion https://t.co/xfEaXiK7LG
— Guy Benson (@guypbenson) December 16, 2017


Many conservatives were rightly aghast when the Obama administration insisted upon euphemisms (overseas contigency operations, workplace violence, etc) and censorship ("Islam" and "jihad") to airbrush national conversations about serious issues. It seemed to me that if the Trump administration were doing something similar here, we should push back. But as Christine wrote yesterday, the CDC's director took to social media to dispel these reports, swatting down what she called a "complete mischaracterization:"

quote:

HHS statement addressing media reports: "The assertion that HHS has 'banned words' is a complete mischaracterization of discussions regarding the budget formulation process. HHS will continue to use the best scientific evidence available to improve the health of all Americans."
— Dr Brenda Fitzgerald (@CDCDirector) December 17, 2017


Additionally, the New York Times quoted administration sources who debunked the "ban" claim, explaining that the new guidelines were merely (non-mandatroy) suggestions about how to present topics in budget-related documents, not scientific or medical content. In other words, the justifications for media hyperventilation over alleged Trump-imposed authoritarian word purges were slowly falling apart. But it gets even worse. Writing at National Review, former Bush administration official Yuval Levin did some digging and has now revealed the perfect punchline for this sadly-typical episode of journalistic laziness and confirmation bias. The anti-Trump narrative was "too good to check," then disintegrated completely when someone finally bothered to check:

quote:

These [terms] are “avoid when possible” terms in a style guide specifically intended for budget documents. They’re not words that are banned in the department. Second, these three terms to avoid apparently came up in the course of a meeting among career officials at the CDC late last week about preparing next year’s congressional-justification documents. That discussion then led to a conversation in the meeting about other terms that might be best avoided...This meeting did not involve any political appointees, and apparently the conversation about terms beyond “diversity,” “entitlements,” and “vulnerable” was not about terms that anyone in the department had said should be avoided but about terms that it might be wise to avoid so as not to raise red flags among Republicans in Congress. In other words, what happened regarding these other terms (“transgender,” “fetus,” “evidence-based,” and “science-based”) was not that retrograde Republicans ordered career CDC officials not to use these terms but that career CDC officials assumed retrograde Republicans would be triggered by such words and, in an effort to avoid having such Republicans cut their budgets, reasoned they might be best avoided.


Amazing: The "banned" words were never banned, and were dreamed up as part of a list of suggested guidelines for budget documents by career (non-Trump-appointed) bureaucrats who were trying to avoid 'triggering' Congressional Republicans through the inclusion of those terms. So this entire freakout was based on comprehensively fake news -- yet it's virtually guaranteed that multiple days of dramatic news stories and breathless social media posts left a widespread and false impression on millions of news consumers. Many Americans do not trust the press for precisely this reason, and Trump-hostile journalists keep soiling their own reputations by reporting and repeating overwrought or totally inaccurate stories that happen to align with their pre-existing biases.


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How exactly does "career CDC officials" translate to "liberal bureaucrats"?

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RE: The 7 things you can't say at the CDC - 12/19/2017 4:41:57 PM   
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"gaystarnews" should have been a good first clue

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RE: The 7 things you can't say at the CDC - 12/20/2017 4:58:44 AM   
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in case the reader missed all the fun:

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"No. This isn't the worst George Carlin bit ever. This is reality."

"If it's no big deal, then why the fuck did Trump even do it?

"Look at that list and tell me that Pence's Christian fascist agenda has nothing to do with it."

"I guess First amendment rights, facts, and social issues are baddddddd…I guess changing words is a start, then banning books and materials that could or should make a difference to health, or any other scientific policy. what is the point of it, its petty, and probably not going to "work" why the fuck should it? this administration proves that rock bottom has a basement"

"what kind of newspeak should they use instead?"

"Corporate-style monetarist babble, obvs."

"The elimination of key words, can significantly impact the entire current and future operations of the CDC. This is Orwellian."

"The sky isn’t falling. But this is still bullshit. I can’t imagine why you would pretend otherwise."

"they [the CDC] are being thwarted by an administration which is beholdened to wealthy right wing ideologues who prefer their own ideaology to actual facts. Sad, but true."

"This is following the same pattern over and over again... The white house says something stupid... then first denies they said it... then says it is a miss characterization…it is disgraceful."

"Suggestions for alternative terms that can be used to keep the whining fuckwits happy."

"I hope they add having to redo the budget because of stupid, arbitrary censorship to their next proposals."

"Really? So why the fuck is there whining about the use of specific terms in the budget report if the shower of mouthbreathers, log rollers and panderers who last year's election put in charge of the CDC aren't trying to politicise the matter? It's weird how the alt right never shut up bitching about Orwell's newspeak and PC being an attempt at mind control, but are perfectly happy when one of theirs tries to mangle the language in order minimise debate or dissent..."

"Careful, WM. You're coming very close to suggesting that political correctness is something the right wing is doing here - when we all know that it's a failing solely of the left." [and how about that, turns out it STILL is]

"Because anything science-based that doesn't comport to this crew's agenda to make America white again and their needs for the ignorance of their supporters."


and the "reality"

quote:

Amazing: The "banned" words were never banned, and were dreamed up as part of a list of suggested guidelines for budget documents by career (non-Trump-appointed) bureaucrats who were trying to avoid 'triggering' Congressional Republicans through the inclusion of those terms. So this entire freakout was based on comprehensively fake news -- yet it's virtually guaranteed that multiple days of dramatic news stories and breathless social media posts left a widespread and false impression on millions of news consumers. Many Americans do not trust the press for precisely this reason, and Trump-hostile journalists keep soiling their own reputations by reporting and repeating overwrought or totally inaccurate stories that happen to align with their pre-existing biases.


this is beyond embarrassing. mindlessness is not a good way forward.

and worth reflecting on:

quote:

Confirmation bias:...also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses, while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

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RE: The 7 things you can't say at the CDC - 12/20/2017 5:33:48 AM   
Wayward5oul


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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

in case the reader missed all the fun:

quote:

"No. This isn't the worst George Carlin bit ever. This is reality."

"If it's no big deal, then why the fuck did Trump even do it?

"Look at that list and tell me that Pence's Christian fascist agenda has nothing to do with it."

"I guess First amendment rights, facts, and social issues are baddddddd…I guess changing words is a start, then banning books and materials that could or should make a difference to health, or any other scientific policy. what is the point of it, its petty, and probably not going to "work" why the fuck should it? this administration proves that rock bottom has a basement"

"what kind of newspeak should they use instead?"

"Corporate-style monetarist babble, obvs."

"The elimination of key words, can significantly impact the entire current and future operations of the CDC. This is Orwellian."

"The sky isn’t falling. But this is still bullshit. I can’t imagine why you would pretend otherwise."

"they [the CDC] are being thwarted by an administration which is beholdened to wealthy right wing ideologues who prefer their own ideaology to actual facts. Sad, but true."

"This is following the same pattern over and over again... The white house says something stupid... then first denies they said it... then says it is a miss characterization…it is disgraceful."

"Suggestions for alternative terms that can be used to keep the whining fuckwits happy."

"I hope they add having to redo the budget because of stupid, arbitrary censorship to their next proposals."

"Really? So why the fuck is there whining about the use of specific terms in the budget report if the shower of mouthbreathers, log rollers and panderers who last year's election put in charge of the CDC aren't trying to politicise the matter? It's weird how the alt right never shut up bitching about Orwell's newspeak and PC being an attempt at mind control, but are perfectly happy when one of theirs tries to mangle the language in order minimise debate or dissent..."

"Careful, WM. You're coming very close to suggesting that political correctness is something the right wing is doing here - when we all know that it's a failing solely of the left." [and how about that, turns out it STILL is]

"Because anything science-based that doesn't comport to this crew's agenda to make America white again and their needs for the ignorance of their supporters."


and the "reality"

quote:

Amazing: The "banned" words were never banned, and were dreamed up as part of a list of suggested guidelines for budget documents by career (non-Trump-appointed) bureaucrats who were trying to avoid 'triggering' Congressional Republicans through the inclusion of those terms. So this entire freakout was based on comprehensively fake news -- yet it's virtually guaranteed that multiple days of dramatic news stories and breathless social media posts left a widespread and false impression on millions of news consumers. Many Americans do not trust the press for precisely this reason, and Trump-hostile journalists keep soiling their own reputations by reporting and repeating overwrought or totally inaccurate stories that happen to align with their pre-existing biases.


this is beyond embarrassing. mindlessness is not a good way forward.

and worth reflecting on:

quote:

Confirmation bias:...also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses, while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias


If it is me that you're referring to, no I didn't miss all the fun. I just call b******* on your interpretation. The fact is you have your own bit of confirmation bias going on here.

(in reply to bounty44)
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