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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/21/2017 3:25:04 PM

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The bullshit you're spouting is wrong. It's a mischaracterization of the truth.

Prove it. What is being mischaracterized exactly?

It won't help the economy. How will cutting the Corporate rate not help? Will it not make the US more competitive to other Corporate rates around the world? Sure would hate to have any sort of lessening on the incentives to off-shore, right? (yes, sarcasm).

It only helps the rich: How is it that the lowest tax bracket growing won't help those at the lowest levels of wage earners? How is it that a higher upper limit of the lowest tax bracket won't help every American that earns more than what it was before? I'm included in that, and I'm certainly not one of "the rich" (I make six or seven figures, depending on if you count one or two figures to the right of the decimal).

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I'm simply pointing out the fallacy of the Democrat rhetoric. It's too bad you can't think for yourself.

My, my... Someone has been taking their irony supplements today.

Right. I've already mentioned what I listen to on the radio on my way to/from work, and while at work. What I read online (I don't get any newspapers, so my reading isn't off-line) starts on these forums. Crazy, innit? So, all the "GOP rhetoric" posted by the likes of Lucy, or MrRodgers, etc. gets read. Fucking weird, eh?

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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/21/2017 4:42:46 PM

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This bill was meant to stimulate the economy, grow the GDP and promote job growth here at home. I hope it does all three.

Nonsense. It was meant to reward those who made substantial donations to republican politicians. After they fucked up their chance to repeal the ACA, they were told in no uncertain terms if this "tax bill" didn't get passed that the donation well would run dry.

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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/21/2017 6:53:54 PM

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I heard on a news channel, that about 75% of all tax payers, will get more money back on their taxes.

The issue is: At what cost?

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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/21/2017 9:00:49 PM

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Taken more time: The Democrats weren't going to work with the GOP.

Sure they will... they worked with Trump... The Democrats were not even allowed into the discussions of healthcare so how could they have contributed. If you mean by working with the Republicans by rubber stamping everything they proposed that would not solve the problems... how about the old way of doing things... compromising until you have a consensus. I am telling you a fact of life... all this crap passed by excluding the opposing party will only last until the Democrats are back in power. The same goes for the Democrats... they must compromise as well if there is to be ANY long lasting stable legislation.

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People won't die just because there is no individual mandate..

How do you propose to pay for the subsidies that are keeping many seriously ill people in insurance and alive. Under the proposed Republican plan they will be without insurance and by killing the mandate the existing plan will soon run out of money and they will lose their insurance... Now tell me what will happen to my friend that will not have surgery and or therapy for her ovarian cancer... do you think your anti-gay asshole god will save her? By the way she is gay... I wonder if her surgeon will decide not to operate on her because it is against his religion? Oh wait... the baker is the artist... not a surgeon...Or will you as a good Christian help me in paying her exorbitant insurance premium with a pre-existing condition. I'll be happy to send you her new insurance rate when the money runs out and you can write me a check for half...how bout it?

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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/21/2017 10:14:33 PM

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Marini. don't listen to the liberals here. I'TS YOUR MONEY. YOU WILL GET TO KEEP MORE OF IT.

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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/21/2017 10:26:24 PM

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I heard on a news channel, that about 75% of all tax payers, will get more money back on their taxes.

The issue is: At what cost?

As I've warned repeatedly, our kids or certainly their kids will be spitting on our graves.

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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/21/2017 10:30:18 PM

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People won't die just because there is no individual mandate..

How do you propose to pay for the subsidies that are keeping many seriously ill people in insurance and alive. Under the proposed Republican plan they will be without insurance and by killing the mandate the existing plan will soon run out of money and they will lose their insurance... Now tell me what will happen to my friend that will not have surgery and or therapy for her ovarian cancer... do you think your anti-gay asshole god will save her? By the way she is gay... I wonder if her surgeon will decide not to operate on her because it is against his religion? Oh wait... the baker is the artist... not a surgeon...Or will you as a good Christian help me in paying her exorbitant insurance premium with a pre-existing condition. I'll be happy to send you her new insurance rate when the money runs out and you can write me a check for half...how bout it?

Butch

We devolve to the repub healthcare mantra, go to the ER for your health care and yes, mostly because most will be an emergency and let somebody else pay for it or, do the patriotic thing...die.

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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/21/2017 10:39:29 PM

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Marini. don't listen to the liberals here. I'TS YOUR MONEY. YOU WILL GET TO KEEP MORE OF IT.

Yea, we all know that when govt. allows me a little extra in my paycheck it will create demand and create jobs and it's Blue Sky all over again.

Oh but mandate that my employer pay me a little extra in my paycheck, that would do as much or more and without more govt. debt, Oh no, this only works if govt. does this and besides the sky will fall...the end of western civilization would be at hand.

Never mind their in no evidence of the former and much greater evidence of the latter

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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/21/2017 10:45:31 PM

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No, you dope, you will get to keep more of the money you earned to do what you want with it.

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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/21/2017 11:39:14 PM

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its impossible to tell but as democrats actually worked with republicans and some of the bill is reflective of that, id say no.
republicans disagreed with obamacare on fundamental principles, that wasn't the case here.
that no democrats voted yes has more to do with their spite of the president than it does with an overall philosophical disagreement with the content of the bill.

Yeah? Huh. So, Democrats wanted this bill to pass, but wouldn't vote for it to spite the President?

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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/21/2017 11:40:35 PM

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His philosophy is making America great again.

Or, if we want to acquiesce to the Leftist point of view: the president's philosophy is "racism". It's not a good philosophy, but it is one.
Since they pay enough lip service to this being fact, they should focus on defeating that philosophy; not claiming there is none.
Of course, since the facts don't bear the Leftists out, they are trying to back-peddle from it; kind of like "Global Warming ----> Ooops! The evidence doesn't support it? ----> Climate Change". "Trump's a racist ----> Ooops! The evidence doesn't support it? ----> He has no philosophy"
Like that.
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I wonder if every black person that doesn't agree with Trump's policies is now a racist.

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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/21/2017 11:48:56 PM

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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/21/2017 11:50:47 PM

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Taken more time: The Democrats weren't going to work with the GOP.

Sure they will... they worked with Trump... The Democrats were not even allowed into the discussions of healthcare so how could they have contributed. If you mean by working with the Republicans by rubber stamping everything they proposed that would not solve the problems... how about the old way of doing things... compromising until you have a consensus. I am telling you a fact of life... all this crap passed by excluding the opposing party will only last until the Democrats are back in power. The same goes for the Democrats... they must compromise as well if there is to be ANY long lasting stable legislation.

To the bolded part: Huh? You mix the parties up?

To the italicized part: Totally agree. I don't see the Dem's doing it with Trump. I don't know if the GOP will do it under the next D President. Would be nice to see, though.

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People won't die just because there is no individual mandate..

How do you propose to pay for the subsidies that are keeping many seriously ill people in insurance and alive. Under the proposed Republican plan they will be without insurance and by killing the mandate the existing plan will soon run out of money and they will lose their insurance... Now tell me what will happen to my friend that will not have surgery and or therapy for her ovarian cancer... do you think your anti-gay asshole god will save her? By the way she is gay... I wonder if her surgeon will decide not to operate on her because it is against his religion? Oh wait... the baker is the artist... not a surgeon...Or will you as a good Christian help me in paying her exorbitant insurance premium with a pre-existing condition. I'll be happy to send you her new insurance rate when the money runs out and you can write me a check for half...how bout it?
Butch

You see, Butch, we have a fundamental difference of opinion on what the role of government is. Government isn't impassioned pleas. That's where charity comes in.

You know what the ACA was never going to do? Lower the cost of health care. All it did was shift the costs around while allowing them to continue growing. You should be pissed she needs insurance at all. That is, you should be pissed that health care in the US is so fucking expensive that people need insurance to pay for it. Now, we have a product that is supposed to spread the cost of care around to make it more affordable, but because the cost of care is so fucking high, even the product that spreads the costs around is too fucking high.

Your friend is in a shitty situation. I don't wish that on anyone. Getting rid of the ACA doesn't change that she's in a shitty situation, either.

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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/21/2017 11:55:58 PM

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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/22/2017 4:53:16 AM

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its impossible to tell but as democrats actually worked with republicans and some of the bill is reflective of that, id say no.
republicans disagreed with obamacare on fundamental principles, that wasn't the case here.
that no democrats voted yes has more to do with their spite of the president than it does with an overall philosophical disagreement with the content of the bill.

Yeah? Huh. So, Democrats wanted this bill to pass, but wouldn't vote for it to spite the President?

no, what you said does not follow from what I said.

contributing to and being in agreement with some elements of the bill does not equate to an overall vote "yes" to the bill, especially when contempt for and "resistance" to the president is so high, and mid-term elections are on the horizon.

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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/22/2017 5:56:00 AM

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Could you please point out what dems worked with the repubs on the tax bill???
Which parts are reflective????

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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/22/2017 6:37:34 AM

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its impossible to tell but as democrats actually worked with republicans and some of the bill is reflective of that, id say no.
republicans disagreed with obamacare on fundamental principles, that wasn't the case here.
that no democrats voted yes has more to do with their spite of the president than it does with an overall philosophical disagreement with the content of the bill.

Yeah? Huh. So, Democrats wanted this bill to pass, but wouldn't vote for it to spite the President?

no, what you said does not follow from what I said.
contributing to and being in agreement with some elements of the bill does not equate to an overall vote "yes" to the bill, especially when contempt for and "resistance" to the president is so high, and mid-term elections are on the horizon.

Actually, your implication is the main reason they didn't vote for this bill is because of Trump. If that be the main reason, then, they were more 'for' it then 'against' it, ergo, they wanted it to pass.

If they didn't want this to pass, then their disdain for Trump is moot and not worth mentioning.

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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/22/2017 8:23:28 AM

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8.5 million sign up for Obamacare, even as the cheeto shit gibbon Yuuuugly spews the demented howler rightist propaganda that it is imploding.

More losing, by this communist. sad.

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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/22/2017 9:18:52 AM

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It does change her situation...she at least has a chance of survival with the Healthcare act...and can you not understand... she WILL die without it.. How valuable is life to you... is money the only consideration? How about this... we get rid of the mandate... but then provide healthcare to those that cannot afford it and charge the rest of us what ever it takes? It is disgraceful that the US is one of the only industrialized nations without a national healthcare program... Our life expectancy is decreasing for the first time in history..

OK would you please point me to a charity that is willing to take over her medical bills.

Butch

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RE: Senate to vote soon on tax bill - 12/22/2017 9:52:13 AM

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No, you dope, you will get to keep more of the money you earned to do what you want with it.

Look, use your imagination and think. The rationale is that with more of my money it will to spur the economy. More in my paycheck.

Well more in your paycheck from your employer, will...do the same thing and is and private, not the govt. borrowing to do it.

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