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An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/20/2017 12:37:18 PM

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Or how to piss off everyone on the planet and then find someone else to blame.

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Trump threatens to cut aid to U.N. members over Jerusalem vote
WASHINGTON/UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Wednesday threatened to cut off financial aid to countries that vote in favor of a draft United Nations resolution calling for the United States to withdraw its decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

“They take hundreds of millions of dollars and even billions of dollars, and then they vote against us. Well, we’re watching those votes. Let them vote against us. We’ll save a lot. We don’t care,” Trump told reporters at the White House.

The 193-member U.N. General Assembly will hold a rare emergency special session on Thursday - at the request of Arab and Muslim countries - to vote on a draft resolution, which was vetoed by the United States on Monday in the 15-member U.N. Security Council.

The remaining 14 Security Council members voted in favor of the Egyptian-drafted resolution, which did not specifically mention the United States or Trump but which expressed “deep regret at recent decisions concerning the status of Jerusalem.” source

He is right about one thing, it will probably save us a few hundred billion dollars going over seas...

But, and here is the real kicker, all those countries we send aid to, might just go to some country we dont get along too well with, other presidents have played the money game in the past and it ended up biting us in the ass.

And hey, lets give every crack pot group on the planet one more reason to kill American citizens traveling abroad.

Or how about those first world countries that did not like Trump announcing the decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel?

Hmm, they could do something like, raise import tariffs on US goods, which would drastically impact our economy.

Of course, the fact that Israel is occupying Jerusalem in complete defiance of the resolution that actually established the country, well Trump has already shown he picks and chooses what he wants to follow internationally anyway.

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RE: An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/20/2017 12:48:14 PM

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Or how to piss off everyone on the planet and then find someone else to blame.

If the article is accurate, he's being a bully. If his idea that aid is dependent on their approval of our ideas (as determined by the President), then we should retract the aid regardless of whether they approve or don't approve.

Of course, if we pull aid from other countries, we'll piss off a lot of other countries, even though we currently get no credit or respect for the aid we are currently giving.

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RE: An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/20/2017 12:58:53 PM

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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/365825-trump-suggests-us-will-cut-off-aid-for-countries-that-vote-for-un

with video, I didnt see a link Jeff, I just wanted to give another one

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RE: An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/20/2017 1:12:59 PM

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Of course, if we pull aid from other countries, we'll piss off a lot of other countries, even though we currently get no credit or respect for the aid we are currently giving.

You'd get a lot more props if you were giving aid to any countries other than Israel.

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RE: An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/20/2017 1:17:16 PM

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Of course, if we pull aid from other countries, we'll piss off a lot of other countries, even though we currently get no credit or respect for the aid we are currently giving.

You'd get a lot more props if you were giving aid to any countries other than Israel.

Exactly my point. Thanks for demonstrating it so well.

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RE: An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/20/2017 1:23:50 PM

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The story as it broke over here was that Trump has asked for UN bureaucrats for a record of who voted against him - a bit creepy and threatening granted, but no mention of cutting aid,

Well the UK and French governments already voted against the US resolution in the Security Council. Guess we're fucked now too?

Donald wasn't giving us a post-Brexit trade deal unless we accepted much less stringent regulations on food exports, which even most of the hard-line Brexiteers here are not willing to do. So I don't think the UK has much to lose in voting against President Trump in the UN , despite the warning that Trump is going to be remembering those who voted against him.

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RE: An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/20/2017 1:27:41 PM

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He is utterly isolating America bit by bit, no country is ever going to be told, forced, coerced or threatened on how to vote.

Lap it all up peeps, soon the only people who are take notice of you, is you.

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RE: An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/20/2017 3:17:17 PM

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Of course, if we pull aid from other countries, we'll piss off a lot of other countries, even though we currently get no credit or respect for the aid we are currently giving.

You'd get a lot more props if you were giving aid to any countries other than Israel.

do you get tired of being a fool?

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United States foreign aid is aid given by the United States government to other governments. The term generally does not include either money from private charitable organizations based in the United States, personal giving, or remittances. It is sometimes divided into two broad categories: military aid and economic assistance.[1] The Congressional Research Service divides it into five categories: bilateral development aid, economic assistance, humanitarian aid, multilateral economic contributions, and military aid.[2]

Foreign aid recipients include developing countries, countries of strategic importance to the United States, and countries recovering from war. The government channels about half of its economic assistance through a specialized agency, the United States Agency for International Development (USAID).

its a few years old, but the wiki page lists the 25 top countries receiving aid as Afghanistan, Israel, Egypt, Jordan, West Bank/Gaza, Ethiopia, South Sudan, Malawi, Uganda, South Africa, Nigeria, Russia, Iraq, Tanzania, Mexico, Congo (Kinshasa), Haiti, Lebanon, Somalia, Zambia, and Sudan (former). the total amount is somewhere in the 40-50 billion dollar range. all the of those countries receive more economic aid than does Israel, their predominant source of aid being military.

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Foreign aid is generally unpopular with the general public, with a 2017 poll finding 57% favor a cut and 6% who want increased aid...Interviews with 1,012 adult Americans were conducted by telephone by Opinion Research Corporation in January 2011: Published by CNN, the response was that 81% felt that reducing aid to foreign countries was a good way to reduce the federal budget deficit, while 18% thought aid was more important than reducing deficit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid

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Today, the U.S. manages foreign assistance programs in more than 100 countries around the world through the efforts of over 20 different U.S. government agencies. These investments further America's foreign policy interests on issues ranging from expanding free markets, combating extremism, ensuring stable democracies, and addressing the root causes of poverty, while simultaneously fostering global good will.

https://www.foreignassistance.gov/

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RE: An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/20/2017 3:28:18 PM

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No worries

Just send Obama over to shamelessly grovel some more, beg everyone to forgive us and it's like it never even happened

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RE: An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/20/2017 8:35:20 PM

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No worries

Just send Obama over to shamelessly grovel some more, beg everyone to forgive us and it's like it never even happened

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Why don't you give us all some examples of that ? Rather we send over W, or Chaney or Romney or Cruz or...or...or...and just start another war and bomb them all.

It would be some more very nice profits.

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RE: An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/20/2017 8:48:54 PM

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No worries

Just send Obama over to shamelessly grovel some more, beg everyone to forgive us and it's like it never even happened

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Hey, stupid question for you.

Say that Trump cuts foreign aid and every major trading partner the US has decides to rescind trade agreements in protest and raise the tariffs we pay to them to get our goods into their markets to the point where American firms cannot even think of competing?

In case you are too fucking stupid to figure it out, the US cannot survive on internal markets alone, and thanks to US industry sending jobs over seas, even under your proclaimed saint, we do not have the GNP to sustain ourselves.

So, to put it bluntly, your saint Trump can fuck the US into third world country status.

So, what do you propose going to war with everyone on the fucking planet?

None of our allies supported his decision to recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, and there are more than a few that are tired of the US pushing our ideas and wants on the rest of the world.

In case you dont know, the US exports 2.2 trillion in goods world wide, and imports 2.7 trillion.

That's 11.89% of the GNP.

And before you start spouting the US can handle that loss, you may want to look up just how dependent the US is on raw material imports, you know, the minerals and stuff we dont have in abundance in the states, that gets cut off, we be fucked and your saint Donald did it.

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RE: An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/20/2017 9:12:27 PM

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Oh sure, great idea.

Trump humiliated the US again with his incompetence (probably following one of Putin's orders), and now that the others are pointing out how fucking stupid he is, he has decided the best solution is to stop giving aid to poverty-stricken and wartorn countries.

I really hope some great humanitarian finally feeds this stupid baby a poisoned Big Mac and watches with pride as the fucker turns purple and keels over.
I also hope said humanitarian receives the Nobel Peace Prize he so rightly deserves.

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RE: An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/20/2017 11:07:06 PM

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The story as it broke over here was that Trump has asked for UN bureaucrats for a record of who voted against him - a bit creepy and threatening granted, but no mention of cutting aid,

There were two different items on the same story.

Ambassador Haley tweeted that the US would be "taking names" and, later on in the White House, President Trump was asked about Thursday's vote.

He said words to the affect of: "We're going to be watching. It's amazing that countries are quick to criticize us, but they come back, with their hand out. We're going to be watching and we're going to start saving a lot of money"

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RE: An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/20/2017 11:20:46 PM

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Go for it, it will be amusing to watch

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RE: An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/20/2017 11:23:22 PM

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Go for it, it will be amusing to watch

"go for" what, exactly?

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RE: An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/21/2017 1:09:26 AM

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Would any one care to guess what effect Trump's latest diplomatic fiasco has had on recruitment for extremist Islamist groups, you know, the very groups we are supposed to be destroying?

Here's a hint: This monumental blunder has gotten just about every 'moderate' Western-allied Govt in the Muslim world up in arms. It has succeeded in uniting what was previously a division riddled Muslim world in anger and condemnation - so you don't have to be a rocket scientist to estimate the effect it has had on those in the Muslim world who aren't quite as well disposed towards the West

That is just one of the disastrous side effects of this hapless President's blunders. Can any one nominate any benefit to anyone (Israel excepted) that this initiative has generated? Why does the US inflict so much harm on itself to aid its most "ungrateful"* and useless 'ally'?

* According to Robert Gates, Sec of Defense under Bush and Obama.

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RE: An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/21/2017 5:05:58 AM

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No worries

Just send Obama over to shamelessly grovel some more, beg everyone to forgive us and it's like it never even happened

Right

Why don't you give us all some examples of that ?

Obama's Apology Tour - WSJ

President Barack Obama has finished the second leg of his international confession tour. In less than 100 days, he has apologized on three continents for what he views as the sins of America and his predecessors.

Mr. Obama told the French (the French!) that America "has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" toward Europe. In Prague, he said America has "a moral responsibility to act" on arms control because only the U.S. had "used a nuclear weapon." In London, he said that...

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RE: An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/21/2017 5:40:05 AM

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No worries

Just send Obama over to shamelessly grovel some more, beg everyone to forgive us and it's like it never even happened

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Why don't you give us all some examples of that ?

Obama's Apology Tour - WSJ

President Barack Obama has finished the second leg of his international confession tour. In less than 100 days, he has apologized on three continents for what he views as the sins of America and his predecessors.

Mr. Obama told the French (the French!) that America "has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" toward Europe. In Prague, he said America has "a moral responsibility to act" on arms control because only the U.S. had "used a nuclear weapon." In London, he said that...

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Not sure about Europe, considering that no matter what the US does, we are wrong, especially when it comes to the French.

However, Bosco, on the subject of Nuclear Arms, he is saying the same thing that Reagan, or Bush sr., or Clinton, or Bush jr. has said. The US is the only country that ever used nuclear weapons in war.

That being said, the use of those weapons probably saved a million US service men's lives and countless Japanese lives as well, so he is taking the historic reasons for the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and dismissing them.

However, Obama the world class idiot cannot impact anything that the current president is doing or has done. Hell, Obama wont even apologize for the travesty of 'health reform' he shoved down the throats of Americans.

But, we are not talking about Obama, we are talking about President Trump.

His announcement to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel has been condemned by every non Muslim country and pretty much united the Muslims in a way that nothing else could.

And since most of the oil the US imports comes from Muslim countries, just over 23%, that could cause the US some serious problems.

But, we import a lot of rare earth minerals that our high tech military and commercial markets depends on, and a lot of those come from countries that have a serious Muslim population, and since the US does not have large enough deposits of these minerals, we may find ourselves in a serious situation.

Seriously, while I understand his motivation, maybe even support it, but considering that no one in that region of the planet can agree on something as simple as the need for toilet paper in public bathrooms (yes I am being sarcastic) his declaration and his threats to stop foreign aid to the countries that vote against US wishes may just bite the entire country in the ass.

And I am quite certain that even his staunchest supporters will get a bit pissed if the personal electronic devices that people have become so dependent on suddenly become too expensive to purchase or become unavailable.

Not to mention the fact that the majority of those rare earth minerals are used in the defense industry, in jet engines, night vision systems, radar, seeker heads for smart weapons and a host of other applications.

In a very reals sense, the US dependence on those materials from foreign markets puts us in the same vulnerable position the US put Japan in before they attacked Pearl Harbor.

So, what is your solution? Invade the countries that have the materials we need?

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RE: An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/21/2017 6:28:09 AM

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Facebook video - in his own words, the president giving voice to the very policy that the OP howls about:

https://www.facebook.com/JustAnAmericanPatriot/videos/1655554937821836/

This is the kind of thing that got him elected.

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RE: An example of Trump diplomacy - 12/21/2017 6:39:15 AM

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Another FB video -

Gutfeld: Meet the new boss, he's not like the old boss

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