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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/23/2017 11:44:31 AM   
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just to make sure I get this straight.

its NOT okay for trump to do x, y or z policy wise because it will endanger American citizens abroad or make other countries not like us so much.

but it IS okay have people actually die, and of course the repercussions above, what---wont happen?

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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/27/2017 11:18:42 AM   
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Using eminent domain for an easement for public use. The two times I have had dealings with such; it went like this.

A> Projected use is passed by some governmental body.

B> Offers made by eminent domain based on THE VALUE LISTED IN THE TAX LEDGERS. (very very low ball in most areas)

C> Property owner objects and requests an eminent domain hearing. (get a good lawyer)

D> Property owner either argues that no easement should be granted or that the valuation is lower than reasonable market value. I've seen an easement disallowed because a prior easement on the property had been granted. I've seen the property re-valued and a higher market rate offer made.

E> Property owner either accepts new offer or files appeal to court decision.

F> Either an offer is accepted or court orders a final settlement.

G> The property owner gets a one time payment for the easement

H> The next year; property taxes are higher as the tax ledger now shows an assessed value based on the information provided by the property owner in court instead of the assessed value from 20-30 years before (the last time the government did an actual assessment of real property).

The first offer in eminent domain is always low ball.

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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/27/2017 12:22:12 PM   
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quote:

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just to make sure I get this straight.

its NOT okay for trump to do x, y or z policy wise because it will endanger American citizens abroad or make other countries not like us so much.

but it IS okay have people actually die, and of course the repercussions above, what---wont happen?

Translation:

If the POTUS decides (spins this) that this is absolutely necessary for national security, then you should be ever so willing to sell out your land at a fraction of its real value.

There's got to be another profit center here somewhere. Is that it ?

Am I close here ? I know we can't hide 389 meat-packing illegals here but hey, there's got to be an angle here somewhere.

I got it...a Wall Toll...that's the ticket, charge those druggies and rapists/murderers every time they cross into good ole America. I am thinking $1 a head, even on the kids (future criminals) seems reasonable.


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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/27/2017 12:40:33 PM   
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btw. Illegal immigrants, non-Citizens, have no Constitutional rights. We respect their right to life in the name of decency and they must prove their lives are threatened if they are wanting "Sanctuary" but they have no rights. Nor do we in other countries unless it is by treaty.


So much for travel abroad.



When abroad; one must abide by the laws of the country where one is located.
Nothing gets the irritation up with the law enforcement in another country than an American screaming "I know my rights" when they obviously do not know their rights under THEIR law. i.e Lashes for littering. Fines for chewing gum in public.

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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/27/2017 12:45:36 PM   
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One point of order on the term Posse Comitatus inferred to apply to patrolling boarders.

Consider the Coast Guard. The Coast Guard are U.S. troops attached to the Treasury Department tasked with seaborne border control and enforcement of tax laws in maritime shipping. In wartime, the Coast Guard reverts to the Department of Defense.

The Coasty sailors go to the same schools as the U.S. Navy and probably see more action with their SAR missions and drug interdiction than blue water sailors.

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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/27/2017 2:38:32 PM   
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quote:

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just to make sure I get this straight.

its NOT okay for trump to do x, y or z policy wise because it will endanger American citizens abroad or make other countries not like us so much.

but it IS okay have people actually die, and of course the repercussions above, what---wont happen?



You do understand, that when the US Army was patrolling the border, due to the isolationist craze in the country at the time, that anyone crossing the border illegally was, for all intents and purposes of the war department at the time, technically invading the US and subject to any 'use of force as decided by the commanding officer of the forces present at the incident.'

And under international law, any country may take whatever means it feels necessary and justified to protect its sovereignty when dealing with anyone crossing said border with hostile or illegal intent.

While unarmed individuals could not be considered hostile, and the criminal intent is minimal, armed drug couriers would fall under hostile with clear criminal intent to do harm.

Furthermore, while the Geneva Convention considers land mines inhumane, should such mine fields be clearly marked in the appropriate languages, the fact that some idiot wonders into one after reading said warnings sort of minimizes a nation's responsibility.

Finally, as for the Geneva Accords, the M2 fifty cal is, under those accords, only allowed to be used against equipment and vehicles, or any other .50 caliber weapon.

However, the US Military fields .50 sniper rifles, in direct violation of said accords, and to quote a Fort Benning range instructor, "The fifty caliber can only be used against non breathing targets, such as vehicles, aircraft, belt buckles, canteens, boots, boot laces, buttons so, as long as you claim you were shooting at the items I just listed, feel free to use the belt."

And while President Trump's little announcement about the moving of the Israeli embassy has won us no friends in that particular ongoing conflict, I would like to point out that nothing any previous president has done achieved much either. And since the particular bastards who will react violently are not only violating the Geneva Accords, but their own religious laws, the fact that no matter what he did, someone was going to get pissed off, and while his action may push those on the fence to the fanatic side, why bother being nice any more?

The US has limited itself to 'proportional responses' to terrorist attacks, it is time to forget proportional, and go for the 'wrath of God' approach. Sooner or later some fanatic will figure out that the cost of blowing up an airplane or trying to car bomb a building is not worth a few thousand dead in return. If Allah was really on their side, Allah would not let a disproportional amount of innocents die as a result of attacking the great Satan.

I mean christ, we know who most of the high ranking leaders in most terrorist groups are, where they grew up, where they had family, and there are a lot of dumb munitions that are laying around in Air Force warehouses that cost tax payer money to store, and a major B52 strike is a great start to Urban redevelopment.

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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/27/2017 5:34:41 PM   
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can you just simply answer the question?

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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/28/2017 3:15:25 PM   
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can you just simply answer the question?

Your question is facetious at best.

You know gaddamn well that for most of the powerful in the world and those whose delusions about their god cause them to act murderously...all killing is just fine.

Live with it.

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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/30/2017 8:35:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

just to make sure I get this straight.

its NOT okay for trump to do x, y or z policy wise because it will endanger American citizens abroad or make other countries not like us so much.

but it IS okay have people actually die, and of course the repercussions above, what---wont happen?



You do understand, that when the US Army was patrolling the border, due to the isolationist craze in the country at the time, that anyone crossing the border illegally was, for all intents and purposes of the war department at the time, technically invading the US and subject to any 'use of force as decided by the commanding officer of the forces present at the incident.'

And under international law, any country may take whatever means it feels necessary and justified to protect its sovereignty when dealing with anyone crossing said border with hostile or illegal intent.

While unarmed individuals could not be considered hostile, and the criminal intent is minimal, armed drug couriers would fall under hostile with clear criminal intent to do harm.

Furthermore, while the Geneva Convention considers land mines inhumane, should such mine fields be clearly marked in the appropriate languages, the fact that some idiot wonders into one after reading said warnings sort of minimizes a nation's responsibility.

Finally, as for the Geneva Accords, the M2 fifty cal is, under those accords, only allowed to be used against equipment and vehicles, or any other .50 caliber weapon.

However, the US Military fields .50 sniper rifles, in direct violation of said accords, and to quote a Fort Benning range instructor, "The fifty caliber can only be used against non breathing targets, such as vehicles, aircraft, belt buckles, canteens, boots, boot laces, buttons so, as long as you claim you were shooting at the items I just listed, feel free to use the belt."

And while President Trump's little announcement about the moving of the Israeli embassy has won us no friends in that particular ongoing conflict, I would like to point out that nothing any previous president has done achieved much either. And since the particular bastards who will react violently are not only violating the Geneva Accords, but their own religious laws, the fact that no matter what he did, someone was going to get pissed off, and while his action may push those on the fence to the fanatic side, why bother being nice any more?

The US has limited itself to 'proportional responses' to terrorist attacks, it is time to forget proportional, and go for the 'wrath of God' approach. Sooner or later some fanatic will figure out that the cost of blowing up an airplane or trying to car bomb a building is not worth a few thousand dead in return. If Allah was really on their side, Allah would not let a disproportional amount of innocents die as a result of attacking the great Satan.

I mean christ, we know who most of the high ranking leaders in most terrorist groups are, where they grew up, where they had family, and there are a lot of dumb munitions that are laying around in Air Force warehouses that cost tax payer money to store, and a major B52 strike is a great start to Urban redevelopment.


https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2017/12/30/new-in-2018-conflict-hot-spots-to-watch/

Must watch areas in the future. I do suspect that refugee camps are coming along the US/Mexico border.

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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/30/2017 8:49:41 AM   
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President Trump has deported fewer illegal Mexican immigrants in 2017 than President Obama did during the same amount of time for 2017, according to data from the Mexican government.

Roughly 152,000 Mexican nationals were deported from the U.S. between January and November, Bloomberg reported, citing data from Mexico’s Interior Ministry. More than 200,000 were deported between January and November of 2016.

An ICE report concluded that the lower numbers were due to an overall decline in undocumented immigrants apprehended at the border – 17 percent less than 2016.

Even though the removal of undocumented immigrants are comparatively less under Trump, the ICE report showed that arrests of all immigrants were up in fiscal year 2017.

One of Trump’s key campaign promises was a harsh crackdown on illegal immigration and to build a wall along Mexico’s border.

Trump also temporarily ended the Obama administration’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, which prevented people who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children from being deported.

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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/30/2017 9:48:20 AM   
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Must watch areas in the future. I do suspect that refugee camps are coming along the US/Mexico border.



Hence mine fields to keep the problem south of the border.

Look, lets face reality here.

We have a serious homeless problem in the US.

We have a serious poverty problem in the US.

Bottom line is that we have a lot of problems facing our own citizens, so where the fuck is the logic in bringing in more people to strain already stretched programs?

Seriously, lets find solutions to our own problems first before we start trying to bring refugees in to fix theirs.

You dont take the food out of your family's mouths to feed someone else. Take care of you and yours first.

In the US, the idea seems to be take care of everyone else and fuck the American people.

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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/30/2017 11:08:00 AM   
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In the US, the idea seems to be take care of everyone else and fuck the American people.

Look who the american people elect: if they had a problem with being fucked, they'd have written in a name last year.

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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/30/2017 2:03:54 PM   
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Must watch areas in the future. I do suspect that refugee camps are coming along the US/Mexico border.



Hence mine fields to keep the problem south of the border.

Look, lets face reality here.

We have a serious homeless problem in the US.

We have a serious poverty problem in the US.

Bottom line is that we have a lot of problems facing our own citizens, so where the fuck is the logic in bringing in more people to strain already stretched programs?

Seriously, lets find solutions to our own problems first before we start trying to bring refugees in to fix theirs.

You dont take the food out of your family's mouths to feed someone else. Take care of you and yours first.

In the US, the idea seems to be take care of everyone else and fuck the American people.

Actually, I'd like to see a border like between the DDR and FRG - dogs, minefields, guard towers, machine guns, troops (with all their equipment), etc. I agree we should be taking care of us first.

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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/30/2017 2:32:18 PM   
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Making America 'white' again...


wtf?? if you want people to take you seriously stop seeing "raaaaaaaaaaaaacism" everywhere.

are you comrades even capable of learning?




Dunno. Are you communist sympathizers and collusionists capable of putting america first? prolly not. too fuckin stupid.

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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/30/2017 2:33:31 PM   
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Must watch areas in the future. I do suspect that refugee camps are coming along the US/Mexico border.



Hence mine fields to keep the problem south of the border.

Look, lets face reality here.

We have a serious homeless problem in the US.

We have a serious poverty problem in the US.

Bottom line is that we have a lot of problems facing our own citizens, so where the fuck is the logic in bringing in more people to strain already stretched programs?

Seriously, lets find solutions to our own problems first before we start trying to bring refugees in to fix theirs.

You dont take the food out of your family's mouths to feed someone else. Take care of you and yours first.

In the US, the idea seems to be take care of everyone else and fuck the American people.

Actually, I'd like to see a border like between the DDR and FRG - dogs, minefields, guard towers, machine guns, troops (with all their equipment), etc. I agree we should be taking care of us first.

gone now, relic

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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/30/2017 5:09:01 PM   
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Personally, I dont care what color the skin is, if they come into the country illegally, I am quite sure that the islands that were used by the military as bombing ranges between the main Hawaiian and Midway would make suitable holding areas while they are processed, the un exploded ordinance will add to the adventure of roughing it.

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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/30/2017 5:25:06 PM   
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"steal" peoples' property at the point of a gun

That's what governments do

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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/30/2017 5:26:40 PM   
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I have long been talking about how "eminent domain" does little more than "steal" peoples' property at the point of a gun because the REcompensation is almost never "fair". So, as far as a general discussion about "eminent domain": I'm on board.

To try to narrow it down to this one single issue is intellectually dishonest. Throw in the "making America white again" crap and it's childish.





So the fact that he wants to use eminent domain in order to seize private property to build a wall on it is perfectly acceptable and above board, then?

Not what he said, pay attention

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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/30/2017 5:29:44 PM   
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So far it's gotten no traction

Because it is a fucking dumbass solution to a irrelevant problem.
You want them to stop coming to the US? Fucking simple: Stop giving them jobs.

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RE: Eminent Domain to seize border wall land...harms Am... - 12/30/2017 5:44:38 PM   
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btw. Illegal immigrants, non-Citizens, have no Constitutional rights.

Incorrect.

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