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RE: The poison of literature... - 12/31/2017 5:43:38 AM   
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My take is that women get bad takes on kink from books, and men do from porn.

That's an interesting and perceptive take on it. It'd not occurred to me before, but it's a reading which allows the difference between erotica and pornography to be defined by the gender of the target audience, rather than their perceived social class or the pretensions of the pornographer. It's a simple and elegant way of drawing a line between the two, and probably no less accurate than any of the arguments about erotica being defined by anything else.

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RE: The poison of literature... - 12/31/2017 7:10:25 AM   
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My take is that women get bad takes on kink from books, and men do from porn.

That's an interesting and perceptive take on it. It'd not occurred to me before, but it's a reading which allows the difference between erotica and pornography to be defined by the gender of the target audience, rather than their perceived social class or the pretensions of the pornographer. It's a simple and elegant way of drawing a line between the two, and probably no less accurate than any of the arguments about erotica being defined by anything else.


Regardless of gender, or what you read/saw, the fact remains that you had to be a little twisted for it to even register as something you are interested in. This is why I don't understand people, like the OP, that get the weird opinions about it all. It's ice-cream, choose your own flavour, and toppings. Stop caring about everyone else's bowl.

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RE: The poison of literature... - 12/31/2017 9:18:41 AM   
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My take is that women get bad takes on kink from books, and men do from porn.

That's an interesting and perceptive take on it. It'd not occurred to me before, but it's a reading which allows the difference between erotica and pornography to be defined by the gender of the target audience, rather than their perceived social class or the pretensions of the pornographer. It's a simple and elegant way of drawing a line between the two, and probably no less accurate than any of the arguments about erotica being defined by anything else.


Regardless of gender, or what you read/saw, the fact remains that you had to be a little twisted for it to even register as something you are interested in. This is why I don't understand people, like the OP, that get the weird opinions about it all. It's ice-cream, choose your own flavour, and toppings. Stop caring about everyone else's bowl.

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No question with any of that. I've just seen all of these bizarre arguments that fetish related smut (up to and including two girls one cup) is erotica rather than pornography because it's too clever for the lower class scum who read Razzle/too arty for the lower class scum who just want big tits in their porn/other class based argument based on porn being aimed at the proletarian scum and erotica being completely different because it's aimed at people with social pretensions. The arguments tend to be class based rather than gender based, which is why I found Stephen's point interesting. Certainly 50 Shades seems to have targeted a female audience a lot more successfully than any of the stuff that definitely isn't porn at all, so there! which Charles Gatewood and Peter Czernich churn out.
On the level of the OP's other point, a lot of the sophisticated and classy erotica (some of which is done, it should be remembered, by smudges who also do a lot of glamour shots that don't get collected into coffee table books) uses fetish imagery in just as hamfisted a manner as EL James depicts S&M. I'm sure you can remember when Loaded was big around the turn of the millennium and most of the men's mags that weren't about cars, computers or fishing were sticking soap actresses in rubber knickers on their covers as well. I'm sure that was a point of contact for just as many people as EL James' book (Bizarre used to publish fetish issues which were mostly an excuse to reprint photos from Skin 2 and offer advice on how to blag your way into fetish nights to ogle the pervy women in rubber without making any effort to dress the part yourself, FFS!) but I've never seen the same level of bile aimed at them as 50 Shades has got...

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RE: The poison of literature... - 12/31/2017 11:33:26 AM   
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I don't think the two are anything to do with being gender orientated. James' writing is shit, she can't tell BDSM from domestic violence, and it brought just as many wanna be Greys out of the wood work as it did the women. The rich have a long standing tradition of being perverted out of their skulls, and class has nothing to do with not looking at porn. Class means you have the finances to own it in whatever degraded fashion you wish.

Don't forget that us women are still looked down upon by many if we express our open sexuality, but should it deviate from the 'normal', oh boy. To admit to getting our rocks off to porn, just like a man, having the same appetites as a man, the same fantasies as a man? FFS most men still can't get their heads around the fact that we should be paid the same as them for doing the same job, let alone being able to fuck the way they do.

Sneaking in and saying that you read a main stream book that is as badly written as FSoG probably seems like a really good option for a lot of women that know all too well what it's like to just deal with the every day crap of being a women, let alone having the guts to stand out in the open and proclaim 'Hey, I'm twisted and kinky on a sliding scale, depending on who you are, and I'm willing to tell you to tell you no'. She probably thinks it's a lot less intimidating to a lot of men still having trouble coming to terms with us being able to think for ourselves

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RE: The poison of literature... - 12/31/2017 12:45:20 PM   
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Fair enough.

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RE: The poison of literature... - 12/31/2017 3:01:33 PM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkLqAlIETkA

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RE: The poison of literature... - 12/31/2017 3:56:50 PM   
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Well thanks for that, I can't make my mind up if I'm amused, or traumatised going in to the new year

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RE: The poison of literature... - 1/1/2018 6:36:15 PM   
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You only have to remove one letter to make it "fifty shades of gay"

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RE: The poison of literature... - 1/2/2018 5:12:10 AM   
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You only have to remove one letter to make it "fifty shades of gay"

That title's worth googling if it tickles your fancy. There's lots of fanfic out there...

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RE: The poison of literature... - 1/2/2018 8:42:25 AM   
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Let's not,and say we did.

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RE: The poison of literature... - 1/2/2018 10:51:29 AM   
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RE: The poison of literature... - 1/2/2018 2:33:08 PM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkLqAlIETkA


Just when you think you heard it all, this comes along!

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RE: The poison of literature... - 1/2/2018 4:59:55 PM   
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I'm a master of youtube weirdness. My minions are looking as well.

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