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jlf1961 -> So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/8/2018 11:38:51 PM)
and now they are screaming that its unfair? quote: Trump heaps more misery on vulnerable immigrants That's a message that clearly doesn't register with President Trump, who has loudly staked his politics on rejecting immigrants and sealing borders. On the same day as the pope's speech, the Trump administration announced that it would terminate provisional residency permits for about 200,000 Salvadorans who have lived in the United States since 2001. Trump had already ended such arrangements for Nicaraguans and Haitians, and will likely follow suit later this year with Hondurans. The Salvadorans who have received what's known as Temporary Protected Status, or TPS, now have until September 2019 to either obtain another form of legal status or leave the country. Those in the program were initially granted TPS in 2001 after earthquakes ravaged the Central American nation; previous administrations extended the status 11 times thereafter. Now, tens of thousands of Salvadorans who consider the United States home face a harrowing, uncertain future, including the prospect of arrest and deportation. Some 192,000 U.S.-born children have at least one Salvadoran parent who holds TPS. source They came here legally under a temporary residency status, and did what? Nothing, did not apply to become citizens or nothing. Guess what folks, you are outa here. This is one thing I can agree with Trump on.

Edwird -> RE: So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/9/2018 12:20:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 and now they are screaming that its unfair? quote: Trump heaps more misery on vulnerable immigrants That's a message that clearly doesn't register with President Trump, who has loudly staked his politics on rejecting immigrants and sealing borders. On the same day as the pope's speech, the Trump administration announced that it would terminate provisional residency permits for about 200,000 Salvadorans who have lived in the United States since 2001. Trump had already ended such arrangements for Nicaraguans and Haitians, and will likely follow suit later this year with Hondurans. The Salvadorans who have received what's known as Temporary Protected Status, or TPS, now have until September 2019 to either obtain another form of legal status or leave the country. Those in the program were initially granted TPS in 2001 after earthquakes ravaged the Central American nation; previous administrations extended the status 11 times thereafter. Now, tens of thousands of Salvadorans who consider the United States home face a harrowing, uncertain future, including the prospect of arrest and deportation. Some 192,000 U.S.-born children have at least one Salvadoran parent who holds TPS. source They came here legally under a temporary residency status, and did what? Helped build big buildings, re-tiled a bunch of roofs, laid a bunch of carpets, mowed mansion lawns, etc. quote: did not apply to become citizens or nothing. That wasn't part of the agreement with those who hired the help. That would legally compromise those who illegally imported them. Some day, far in the future, you'll figure it out. Or whatever.

Edwird -> RE: So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/9/2018 12:30:12 AM)
I still can't figure out why people who hate the Mexicans (or Salvadorans, etc.) being here in the first place -want them to get citizenship- "or you are outta here." People are so confused.

DaddySatyr -> RE: So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/9/2018 12:36:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird I still can't figure out why people who hate the Mexicans (or Salvadorans, etc.) being here want them to get citizenship "or you are outta here." People are so confused. I can help you out. It's not that we "hate the Mexicans (or Salvadorans, etc.)". It's a matter of wanting to decide who has the ability to become citizens. Illegal aliens broke the law, just by dint of how they got here. We don't need to import criminals. These people to which the OP refers have been here for sixteen years, done nothing to make their status permanent and are now complaining because President Trump has decided to define "Temporary" in this case. There is no doubt that most of these people have probably worked their fingers to the bone and contributed, but they've made no outward move that would suggest they wish to stay permanently. I can't help but wonder if there's some "advantage" to not being permanent (not having to pay taxes, for example). I may need to do some research.

Edwird -> RE: So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/9/2018 1:00:22 AM)
Maybe we both need to do more research, But I can tell you from my own eyes much more than I learned from econ classes that if 'those people" had no value here, they would never be here in the first place. Somebody brought them here, you have to keep that in mind (demand begets supply, ALWAYS), and for those who hung on after the contract, more power to them for finding a way to be eventually more useful in the process. The demand for cheapest labor is ongoing and incessant, and is the core of every university business department.

DaddySatyr -> RE: So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/9/2018 6:42:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird Maybe we both need to do more research, But I can tell you from my own eyes much more than I learned from econ classes that if 'those people" had no value here, they would never be here in the first place. Somebody brought them here, you have to keep that in mind (demand begets supply, ALWAYS), and for those who hung on after the contract, more power to them for finding a way to be eventually more useful in the process. The demand for cheapest labor is ongoing and incessant, and is the core of every university business department. I don't doubt the general premise. I have some issue with the tone with which you're delivering it, but that's minor. Why they were brought here is kind of up for debate. You claim it's to build an army of peons. I'm allowing that it was a humanitarian thing. That someone brought them (allowed them to come) here for a reason is a point to which I will stipulate. The problem is, they were brought here on a temporary basis and had sixteen years to make their "dream life" where they could contribute and such (as you previously stated) a permanent life. Apparently, only a very small percentage decided that being permanent residents/citizens was a benefit to them. Well, that's their decision, but since we have evidence of hundreds of thousands of people who believe being here permanently is a huge deal and something worth risking their lives for ... Well, I'm going to go with: these refugees were looking for a teat at which they could suckle without having to make any real effort and now, we need to make room for 800,000 "Dreamers" that the Dems have "adopted" as a pet cause. We can't take in everyone that wants to be here.

DesideriScuri -> RE: So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/9/2018 7:37:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 and now they are screaming that its unfair? quote: Trump heaps more misery on vulnerable immigrants That's a message that clearly doesn't register with President Trump, who has loudly staked his politics on rejecting immigrants and sealing borders. On the same day as the pope's speech, the Trump administration announced that it would terminate provisional residency permits for about 200,000 Salvadorans who have lived in the United States since 2001. Trump had already ended such arrangements for Nicaraguans and Haitians, and will likely follow suit later this year with Hondurans. The Salvadorans who have received what's known as Temporary Protected Status, or TPS, now have until September 2019 to either obtain another form of legal status or leave the country. Those in the program were initially granted TPS in 2001 after earthquakes ravaged the Central American nation; previous administrations extended the status 11 times thereafter. Now, tens of thousands of Salvadorans who consider the United States home face a harrowing, uncertain future, including the prospect of arrest and deportation. Some 192,000 U.S.-born children have at least one Salvadoran parent who holds TPS. source They came here legally under a temporary residency status, and did what? Nothing, did not apply to become citizens or nothing. Guess what folks, you are outa here. This is one thing I can agree with Trump on. I wonder if there was an actual method for them to gain legal citizenship, or if TPS status actually inhibited that. If there was a way for them to gain citizenship and they haven't, I'm all for deporting them.

MasterDrakk -> RE: So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/9/2018 7:51:29 AM)
As it stands now, a TPS holder who would like to apply for a green card (also known as legal permanent resident status) must have a basis to adjust. This means that someone cannot apply for a green card simply because they have been granted TPS. But for those who have U.S. citizen family members, or those who have a job willing to sponsor them, or another humanitarian ground, you may be eligible to apply for adjustment, at least without any problems such as false claims of citizenship, certain criminal convictions, or other grounds for inadmissibility or removal.

jlf1961 -> RE: So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/9/2018 11:04:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk As it stands now, a TPS holder who would like to apply for a green card (also known as legal permanent resident status) must have a basis to adjust. This means that someone cannot apply for a green card simply because they have been granted TPS. But for those who have U.S. citizen family members, or those who have a job willing to sponsor them, or another humanitarian ground, you may be eligible to apply for adjustment, at least without any problems such as false claims of citizenship, certain criminal convictions, or other grounds for inadmissibility or removal. So this, quote: Some 192,000 U.S.-born children have at least one Salvadoran parent who holds TPS. would not have been grounds for them to seek an adjustment? And lets face facts, if they are a good employee, most employers will do the sponsor route simply because it does not cost them a thing to do so. So, it goes back once more that there were avenues for a permanent residency card, citizenship or some other change in status and they choose not to take them. And it is not that I dont want them here, I dont care as long as they came to this country legally.

WhoreMods -> RE: So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/9/2018 11:07:37 AM)
They were probably thinking that if they became Murrican citizens, then they wouldn't be employed for a third of minimum wage by cheapskates anymore.

Edwird -> RE: So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/9/2018 12:51:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Illegal aliens broke the law, just by dint of how they got here. We don't need to import criminals. Anybody who drives breaks the law every day, by dint of doing 36mph in a 35 zone. (Business Law 101.) We are a nation of criminals.

Edwird -> RE: So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/9/2018 12:59:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Well, I'm going to go with: these refugees were looking for a teat at which they could suckle without having to make any real effort . . . No question, re-tiling the roof of a large house in 96F heat for 10-11 solid hours a day for three days (then on to the next one) @ $60-$70 a day is "suckling at the teat" and "not making any real effort." You're a blast, man.

DesideriScuri -> RE: So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/9/2018 2:19:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk As it stands now, a TPS holder who would like to apply for a green card (also known as legal permanent resident status) must have a basis to adjust. This means that someone cannot apply for a green card simply because they have been granted TPS. But for those who have U.S. citizen family members, or those who have a job willing to sponsor them, or another humanitarian ground, you may be eligible to apply for adjustment, at least without any problems such as false claims of citizenship, certain criminal convictions, or other grounds for inadmissibility or removal. Thank you for the info drop!! So, it's entirely possible that they didn't have the opportunity to gain citizenship. And, to that, I would have to say, El Salvador has likely recovered from the 2001 quakes and has recovered for quite some time. They've overstayed their TSP, imo, and should return to El Salvador.

DaddySatyr -> RE: So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/9/2018 2:25:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Illegal aliens broke the law, just by dint of how they got here. We don't need to import criminals. Anybody who drives breaks the law every day, by dint of doing 36mph in a 35 zone. (Business Law 101.) We are a nation of criminals. Pretty sweeping generalization, there. I am sure a lot of people speed on the roadways. I see it, every day. I only speed on the interstates (and even that is a minor infraction of less than 10 MPH above the limit). That said, there's a pretty big difference between speeding and invading a country, but you enjoy that and, the next time you get a speeding ticket, let us know so we can recommend deportation, yeah?

DaddySatyr -> RE: So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/9/2018 2:28:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 So this, quote: Some 192,000 U.S.-born children have at least one Salvadoran parent who holds TPS. would not have been grounds for them to seek an adjustment? One would think, since that works for every stripe of illegal immigrant, those parents of the 192,000 might not be in danger of deportation. At worst, any parent of an American-born minor in this group has two more years to attempt to do something about their status.

Lucylastic -> RE: So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/9/2018 2:30:30 PM)
they arent illegal

MercTech -> RE: So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/9/2018 2:31:07 PM)
"temporary" doesn't mean for a lifetime.

DaddySatyr -> RE: So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/9/2018 2:31:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird No question, re-tiling the roof of a large house in 96F heat for 10-11 solid hours a day for three days (then on to the next one) @ $60-$70 a day is "suckling at the teat" and "not making any real effort." You're a blast, man. I am a blast. You're pretty comical, too. Every one of these people is a hard-working, under-paid (almost slave labor, by your gesticulations), manual laborer? None, nary a one is a criminal, drug addict, or other type of ne'er-do-well? There's that broad brush, again.

MasterDrakk -> RE: So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/9/2018 2:31:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk As it stands now, a TPS holder who would like to apply for a green card (also known as legal permanent resident status) must have a basis to adjust. This means that someone cannot apply for a green card simply because they have been granted TPS. But for those who have U.S. citizen family members, or those who have a job willing to sponsor them, or another humanitarian ground, you may be eligible to apply for adjustment, at least without any problems such as false claims of citizenship, certain criminal convictions, or other grounds for inadmissibility or removal. So this, quote: Some 192,000 U.S.-born children have at least one Salvadoran parent who holds TPS. would not have been grounds for them to seek an adjustment? And lets face facts, if they are a good employee, most employers will do the sponsor route simply because it does not cost them a thing to do so. So, it goes back once more that there were avenues for a permanent residency card, citizenship or some other change in status and they choose not to take them. And it is not that I dont want them here, I dont care as long as they came to this country legally. circular argument, nope. And thats one parent what about the other? But the law was, as long as your nose is clean, you can stay. (sort of like the takeback coming on taxes) it sunsets, and if congress doesnt do anything.......

DaddySatyr -> RE: So, instead of trying to become citizens they just did nothing... (1/9/2018 2:33:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic they arent illegal I never said they were. re-read it. I said: having an American-born child works for illegal immigrants, why wouldn't it work for them?

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