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Confession and Emotional Health - 12/10/2004 5:38:02 PM   
MistressArachne


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Status: offline 		All too often, in our culture is EMOTIONAL HEALTH overlooked. The exceptions, may be your local psychiatrist or the diagnosed, who has been told they have a 'chemical imbalance' and 'need treatment' and have come to a realization that they need some kind of change. I do not believe that chemical treatment is the only answer for an aleged chemical 'problem'.

Fuck psychiatrists and their thoughtless, impersonal, cold and systematic treatment of poor, suffered souls.

I have had enough of hearing "well, I need to take this medication because I have [plug in condemning, stigmatic diagnosis label here] and without it, I will completely lose it. "

Well , isn't it nice. Congratulations. You have just allowed yourself to not only be conditioned by a man with a plaque on his wall, boasting his PHD, but also chemically, through what ever they're doping you up on and constantly telling you it's what you need (as they're using your cash to buy whatever they want to go up their noses, let alone perhaps also seeing a DOM!).

Come on, Dom boys and girls.. I KNOW a good deal of you have had some clients who are in the psychiatric field.

Well, in my opinion the ability to diagnose properly, lies in the emotional health of the one doing the diagnosis. This is the only surefire way to prevent PROJECTION.

Unfortunately, most people are too emotionally unhealthy to even be able to properly interpret what the exact meaning of "projection" is, let alone be perceptive enough to ever be able to detect when they do it.

One primary example of an emotionally healthy person would be one who can readily admit, with ease and alacrity that they had done wrong and/or made a mistake.

This leads us to...

CONFESSIONS

When one confesses the source of their feelings of guilt, their mistakes, their wrongdoings, or even 'come clean' of a lie, it acts as a perfect foundation on which a healthy relationship and trust between the dominant and the submissive, can be built. Not only does confessing serve as an excellent trust builder, it allows the submissive to be able to even further submit, and be not only be able to more readily obey, but also to access sub-space (finally develop the strength to handle pain!), a newly found ability to be able to actually accomplish meditative and trance states and attain blissful states of consciousness, even more intense and enjoyable orgasms. If ya' fridged, I'll guarantee your problem can be solved through this practice.

This psychological strength-building process will be something you will not only learn to employ in my presence (or that of any other emotionally healthy dominant), you will be able to take it with you in your daily life.

You will finally be able to more readily access the thought processes in your mind which you have a desire to change your attitude and elevate your mood.

Imagine never being depressed again and being able to will yourself to a higher, more favorable level of emotions and thought process.

It can be done.




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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/10/2004 6:21:21 PM   
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Hello (again) and welcome to CM. We've traded posts on another BDSM site, although you probably don't remember me. You, however, have a very distinctive name that isn't easily forgotten ....

Anyway ... You made a very very important point in your post. Confession is great for the soul, spirit, psyche (whatever you want to call it). Unfortunately, confession only comes from a heart that is ready to admit the truth. We have a tendancy to bury things that we're not emotionally prepared to deal with. Until we're ready to peel away the layers that cover those truths, confession is of no use. Sometimes it's dangerous to keep those truths buried. Sometimes it's even more dangerous to uncover them. This is where the professional comes in.

I'm working on a Masters in Counseling and Psychology ... a journey that started because I wanted to know why I enjoy submission, discipline and the female foot. (I've learned the answer to the first two ... the third one still has me completely baffled). Psychology (and also psychiatry) is really the study of how the brain functions. Psychiatrists treat what they consider abnormalities with chemicals. (After all, the brain is a boiling pot of chemicals. Everything that our body does starts with a chemical of some sort that is generated somewhere in the body and passed to the brain for processing). Psycologists do not (nor can they prescribe medication).

In spite of all of this, I still believe there's no substitute for a kind and unjudging ear that is ready to listen and tell let you sort things out for yourself. But on the same token, if the baby is ugly, the baby is ugly, and we do know one good by not calling people on their self-deception.

PS - A PHD is a Doctor of Philosophy .... a psychiatrist would have a PsyD on his/her wall/

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/10/2004 7:00:14 PM   
MistressArachne


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Status: offline 		Well thank you and it is not that I have anything against the ENTIRE body psychological practitioners, only psychiatrists.

I am not quite sure what you mean about a 'danger' in exposing and let's say 'exorcising' the demons of one's psyche.

Perhaps you could further extrapolate on this for me?

It is possible I am not clearly understandinging you.

I mean, there is a point when it is VERY, VERY difficult for a person to be able to readily accept that they are AS A FACT perpetuating, cultivating and repeatedly fabricating "ego-lies", resulting in a twisted world outlook and emotional sufferage onto themselves. That little ego demon will be guaranteed to fight viciously (pulling all the stops and dirty tricks) in order to get you to hold on to complacency, which is your ego's safety net when all else fails. ;)

Psychology is fine alone. I fully advocate therapy. I only find it unfortunate that usually directly behind a great deal of psychologists, there lies a psychiatrist, who is champing at the bit to emerse a defenseless patient in a pharmaceutical haze.

Yes, I can say I have had very close personal experiences with friends and family, not to mention have heard terrifying things from even random people I have talked with. The frightening and disheartening stories and experiences just add fodder to the fire of my experience in proof of the near criminal overprescription of psychotropics which is happening all over the world.



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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/10/2004 7:20:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not quite sure what you mean about a 'danger' in exposing and let's say 'exorcising' the demons of one's psyche.

Some people that have experienced traumatic events (war, accident, violence or physical/sexual abuse) report losing all memory of the event. Because the incident is so horrific, the mind buries the incident deeply into the subconscious because it cannot deal with it at that time. Until such a time as the person is able to deal with it, it needs to lie dormant. Bringing it to the forefront will only further traumatize the person.

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/11/2004 7:17:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Being a hands-on student of psychology, meaning that I actually meet with individuals under the supervision of one of my professors, I have seen cases much like the ones that alwayzron has described that had to be treated with chemicals. Sometimes the person cannot handle experiences on their own and must be helped through other means for a short time.
I, myself, have been placed on prescription medications. Was I happy about it? No, but I ended up getting through a time that I may not have gotten through otherwise.
When I think back on a patient that I treated for extreme anxiety and how much her life was improved through medicine (and there are many others, believe me) it makes it very difficult to think that all prescriptions and the people that prescribe them are bad.

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/11/2004 10:45:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think medication serves it's perpose and I believe sometimes it's the best possible solution to a problem. However I think it is abused and often the 'easy' way out. My best friend and first Lover was a perfect exsample of this. When I met her she was very screwed up. I have more than a couple memories of her sitting on the floor covering her ears, rocking back and forth begging the voices to stop. You can't really do anything to help someone like that when they are your friend. I would hold her and try to argue with the voices. She was in therapy. The trick to everything is she knew exactly when the voices started. She was raped when she was young. Suddenly there are her voices. For years she hid by drinking herself into a stuper, when that stopped working she moved on to trying to kill herself. Well they medicated the hell out of her. We use to sit on her bed and read threw all off the side effects. I was baffled. My favorite side effect was suiside. I just stared are her. "Wait... I thought they were trying to keep you from doing that?" She would just shrug while I sat there trying to figure out what kind of sence that made. Well, she would go in for her little session and they would talk, and she would come out, still medicated, still hearing voices. I just didn't understand. How much more obvious could the problem be? I don't think she was ever even asked when the voices started. Now if they started because of the rape, and she'd spent her whole life avoiding the problem, it seemed pretty simple to me. Deal with the rape. After a couple of years of friendship and finally getting her into AA and dealing with her life. Slowly the voices got quiet, then stopped. She told me that every once in a great while, if things are going really bad she hears a whisper. But all she really need was to face and deal with her troubles. This was agirl who'd been in some kind of therapy for years and never once had anyone really helped her confront her Problem. They just drugged her. That is the trouble I have with the whole thing.

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/12/2004 5:45:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: alwayzron
PS - A PHD is a Doctor of Philosophy .... a psychiatrist would have a PsyD on his/her wall/


Actually, although PhD does stand for Doctor of Philosophy, it is given to anyone who has a doctorate (be it optical sciences, English, or psychology). Certain graduate schools offer PsyDs for psychologists, but most psychologists actually hold PhDs. A psychiatrist, on the other hand, is always an MD. Just FYI. :) ~daisy~

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/12/2004 5:58:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		daisy .... thank you ... this is fascinating stuff ... is it not?

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/12/2004 6:02:30 PM   
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PhD ... given to anyone who has a doctorate

Not entirely true. A person holding a doctorate in Education would not have a PHD.

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most psychologists actually hold PhDs.

Quite fitting, as philosophy is the forerunner to psychology.

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A psychiatrist, on the other hand, is always an MD.

I don't believe this is correct. Studies for a Doctorate in Medicine differ greatly from those for a Doctorate in Psychology, as do their internships.

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/12/2004 8:03:20 PM   
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quote:

Not entirely true. A person holding a doctorate in Education would not have a PHD.

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My daughter has a PHD in higher education.

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/12/2004 8:20:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: alwayzron
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A psychiatrist, on the other hand, is always an MD.

I don't believe this is correct. Studies for a Doctorate in Medicine different greatly from those for a Doctorate in Psychology, as do their internships.


No, psychiatrists (anyone who perscribes medication) is a medical doctor. I don't know how the training differs, but they ARE MD's

(taken from the APA's FAQ site-- http://www.psych.org/public_info/choosing_psych/ )


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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/13/2004 7:03:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are many instances of misdiagnosis in all medical specialties not just in psychology. I am sorry your friend was so poorly treated. I believe that sometimes chemicals are necessary in treatment of certain mental ailments such as bipolar. Also, it is necessary in certain anxiety situations due to trauma which is my case. I am not a doctor but I have a great nurse practitioner who has helped me immensely. She combines medication (although low doses) and behavior therapy in her treatment. I believe it is also unfair to say that if you simply confess you will be cured. It is not that simple although I wish it were.

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/13/2004 8:00:20 AM   
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Fuck psychiatrists and their thoughtless, impersonal, cold and systematic treatment of poor, suffered souls.


Kudos Mistress, couldn't have said it better!

Medical practitioners have not been able to prove the theory of psychological chemical imbalances needing medication to be corrcted. everyone who thinks they must be medicated for some sort of "chemical imbalance" should educate themselves on the history of the myth of mental illness. the following site is a great place to start:
www.antipsychiatry.org

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/13/2004 9:53:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		The original post was absolutely fascinating, but the responses are incredible. Regardless of the degree hanging on the wall, unless the degree holder is willing to commit to a treatment plan that involves time, and sincere application of the knowledge and skills acquired during the course of earning that degree...it is just another framed piece of paper on the wall. It's worthless.
Another point that is critical in practice is realizing that while previous cases are excellent points of reference and may assist in recognizing a condition, each and every situation is as individual and unique as the patient themselves. When that is forgotten, the patient is lost.
Further, patients will not be responsive if they believe/feel the Therapist is dishonest. In other words, in the case of the patient who heard voices. It isn't necessary for the therapist to actually hear the voices, but it is critical that the therapist decide whether or not to believe that the patient actually hears them. Once trust is established, a communication is also, and the root of the problem can be discovered and resolved (possibly).
I too am against chemical intervention, however that is my personal choice, and I am aware of cases where chemical intervention has been helpful.

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What IS Everyone Suddenly So Caught Up On? - 12/13/2004 4:09:59 PM   
MistressArachne


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It's amazing how people can get all emotional about even the details..


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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/13/2004 4:11:51 PM   
MistressArachne


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I believe I painted a shower mural near where you live..

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/13/2004 4:20:28 PM   
MistressArachne


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Status: offline 		I agree with you that the ability to 'cure' one's self is not acquired simply through confession. It is my opinion that telling the truth and getting what is 'on' one's mind, 'off' of it as soon as possible is highly advantagious. So there is not only the 'confessing' which is required to bring this change about, but also therein lies the crucial ability to have the strength to let go.


M. Arachne

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/13/2004 4:24:32 PM   
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Welllllll ..... when I'm wrong I'm wrong ... and in this case, I was wrong. Thank you all for setting me straight.

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/13/2004 5:33:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I hate generalizations of any kind. I think that saying all psychiatrists (psychologists, social workers, counselors, etc.) are "thoughtless, cold, and impersonal" is akin to saying all police officers are cold and violent-natured, or all lawyers are immoral, or anyone in D/s has a mental disorder. I just don't think it is fair or proper to judge an individual based upon their profession (or lifestyle, in the case of D/s).

As far as I'm concerned, there are the good ones and the bad ones in every profession. I do agree that *many* people who work in mental health *are* "thoughtless, cold, and impersonal," and that medication is far overprescribed in our society (even antibiotics are overprescribed).
But the fact remains that a lot of people go into the field because they DO care, and they DO help many people. It's a shame that the bad, uncaring people in any profession end up being representative of *everyone* in said profession. Unfortunately, it's understandable, given the damaging effects someone who is not good at his/her work and does not care can have on the person they are supposed to help, especially when it comes to mental health.

I know horror stories from people who have tried to get help from mental health professionals, but I also know people who have been helped immensely. And I've met a number of people in the D/s community who either have degrees or are working toward degrees in mental health who I have confidence will do a lot of good in this world.

And MANY, MANY people have mental disorders with which they could not function, let alone live a happy, healthy life, without medication. When it comes to psychiatrists, at least they have the TRAINING to prescribe (not that there aren't a lot of overprescribers) and diagnose, unlike GPs, who are actually the most common prescribers of antidepressants and anti-anxiety medications, and prescribe without having had any specialized training to do so.

Just my two cents. :) ~daisy~

And, yeah, I've met a few ethical lawyers, too. :P

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RE: Confession and Emotional Health - 12/13/2004 7:59:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mistress Arachne - nice post. I agree with you that emotional health is often overlooked. We glorify workaholics who "succeed" financially, because they choose work and money over honest, adult relationships.

Confeession is good for the soul - it is said, and I agree. I also think much of the medication in the mental health field is dubious. Some antidepressants seem to cause suicide in teens!

As good as confession is, if you want stable mental health, you need to find out why you are acting the way you are, and get at the root cause of unhealthy behaviors.

Plenty of Doms have self-esteem issues. I do, and am working hard on overcoming that, but I am aware of it, and although I really enjoy Domming, and do not want to quit it, I know I can be an even better Dom if I act out of safe and sane motives rather than because I want to make a sub feel lower than me. I have respeact for my subs, and see their strength in submission.

Again, nice thread - thanks!

Mark
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