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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/22/2024 8:33:39 PM   
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I do support Israel right to exist, but also Palestine.
Where on that narrow and small Land?

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That's why America does give Israel billions of dollars in defense and so on
Leaving Israel constantly dependent on US Presidents who come and go with different Agendas.

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Muslims can visit any of the Jewish And Christian Holy places, but not vice versa. Jerusalem Is mentioned in the Bible Hundreds of time but not even Once in the Koran.


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Antisemitism around the world, and Jews do need their own country. But a free Democratic free Israel for all


ALL citizens of Israel, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze and Others have the exact same civil right yet the Muslim dont caryy the same burdon of obligations so actually having it better the others.

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/22/2024 8:37:56 PM   
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If you mean Muslims aren't drafted, I suppose there is that

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/22/2024 8:44:44 PM   
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So what about the renegade Jews who are forcing Palestinians out of their own homes? The so called settlers who are only throwing fuel on the flames. Also, isn't Gaza already basically wiped off the face of the earth by now? I did going after hamas but innocent civilian's? And I do t care about the crap that they are all like that. That kind of mentality only justifies worse sufferings. We'll show them. No doubt what hamas did last year was unexcusable. No sane person could justify that. I know what hamas charter is. The hamas leader is now dead. Their infrastructure is smashed to the ground. Maybe time for that ceasefire and get the rest of the hostages out finally.

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/23/2024 7:08:07 AM   
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My religion teaches that God pretty much looked down at his creation and said what most Black American women would: "Ya'll need Jesus." So I'm pretty sure that everybody isn't God's chosen people. He probably just got tired of smiting people.

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/23/2024 12:27:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: israelislave

1) As to Your First Question

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal%E2%80%93Weizmann_agreement

1) They didn't create A Palestine Because "Palestinians" as a Group of people claiming for Palestinian Identity and Heritage did not exist until 1964 when Yaser Arafat came up with this story or better yet, A Fairy tale.

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Sorry, wrong. False. Again: Does NOT get true by repetition.

The territory called Palestine for centuries, and as British Mandate before 1948. was not unpopulated. Whatever identity and heritage you bestow on them, this population existed. Call them the sum of descendants of muslims, crusade leftovers, converted jews, Druze, Samaritans. These people existed, and exist. Even Herzl thought of them, if only in the one sentence I quoted in my first post here. Any attempt to deny them their very existence is one of the sources of Israel's problem, not a solution, despite what Likud and Ozma claim. Face it.

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/23/2024 6:54:23 PM   
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If you mean Muslims aren't drafted, I suppose there is that


They Can, but Most of them choose Not to. And On top of that they also won't do the parallel course to military service which is "Civil service", not even in their own community as they Interpret this "Cooperation with the Israeli Government.

So While Most Israeli Jews at 18 give the country Two to Four Years after High school, the Arab Muslims go straight to University and get a few years head start in the work Market.

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/23/2024 7:44:21 PM   
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So what about the renegade Jews who are forcing Palestinians out of their own homes?


Myth. This does not happen. Every such dispute over real estate ownership goes to the Supreme court and ownership decided based on fact and fact alone, If Anything Israel's Supreme court is as Extreme Left as Extreme can be and hate those You call "Settlers" because of clash of Ideology.

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The so-called settlers who are only throwing fuel on the flames.
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These are People whom Israeli Governments, both Right And Left, sent there to create new Israeli Towns and cities.

Truth is those lands are NOT occupied lands, and it can be proven Legally, Yet the world insists on considering them "Occupied" when they are maybe, just maybe, "Disputed", You see, no one owned these lands other than the "Jewish State" as in the British mandate Maps. [image]http://www.passia.org/maps/view/6 [/image]

As you can see in the Map the state of the Jews as all "Peach" and Pink. No "Jordan" was discussed, then the Brits, on their own, not consulting the other partner to the victory in WW1 or the "League of Nation" who approved the Maps "Carved" a part of the Future jewish Land and created out of this air the Kingdom Known as Jordan.

But none of this showed in any legal papers.

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isn't Gaza already basically wiped off the face of the earth by now?


No. There is an Underground Gaza controlled by Hamas built for more than 12 Years, and it's hundreds of Miles long with exits under almost every house or Block under the whole Gaza Strip. Hamas use Guerilla tactics not fighting the IDF face to face but coming out of endless number of tunnels, shooting an anti tank missile and gone back underground. This Must be eradicated.

We do say there are No Innocent people in Gaza in the sense every Gazan would kill Israelis and Jews if the got the chance, The are brougt up on deadly hate to Israel and the Jews with their Mother's milk.

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The Hamas leader is now dead. Their infrastructure is smashed to the ground. Maybe time for that ceasefire and get the rest of the hostages out finally.


Yahya Sinwar is NOT dead. The Infrastructure is underground and Hamas demand for a seize fire can not be accepted by Israel Because it will leave Hamas able to re-group and re-arm and will not assure the relies of all the hostages.


Btw, Israel's war tactics prove that this war has the lowest Terrorist/civilian death ration in all the wars ever. “Casualties are abnormally low” in Gaza conflict, says John Spencer



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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/23/2024 7:56:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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1) As to Your First Question

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal%E2%80%93Weizmann_agreement

1) They didn't create A Palestine Because "Palestinians" as a Group of people claiming for Palestinian Identity and Heritage did not exist until 1964 when Yaser Arafat came up with this story or better yet, A Fairy tale.

...


Sorry, wrong. False. Again: Does NOT get true by repetition.

The territory called Palestine for centuries, and as British Mandate before 1948. was not unpopulated. Whatever identity and heritage you bestow on them, this population existed. Call them the sum of descendants of muslims, crusade leftovers, converted jews, Druze, Samaritans. These people existed, and exist. Even Herzl thought of them, if only in the one sentence I quoted in my first post here. Any attempt to deny them their very existence is one of the sources of Israel's problem, not a solution, despite what Likud and Ozma claim. Face it.



So You are saying that everyone involved with separating the land and assigning this part of land for the future Jewish state were Ignorant? not aware of the population? To it's diversity? the problems it might cause?

During the Mandate, the area saw the rise of two nationalist movements: the Jews and the Palestinian Arabs. Intercommunal conflict in Mandatory Palestine ultimately produced the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine and the 1944–1948 Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine. The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine was passed on 29 November 1947; this envisaged the creation of separate Jewish and Arab states operating under economic union, and with Jerusalem transferred to UN trusteeship. Two weeks later, Colonial Secretary Arthur Creech Jones announced that the British Mandate would end on 15 May 1948. On the last day of the Mandate, the Jewish community there issued the Israeli Declaration of Independence. After the failure of the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine, the 1947–1949 Palestine war ended with Mandatory Palestine divided among Israel, the Jordanian annexation of the West Bank and the Egyptian All-Palestine Protectorate in the Gaza Strip.

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/23/2024 9:51:45 PM   
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I get the security concerns. That's valid. Well shit, I thiught bibi was gone but like Putin, reappears a few years later, again. Can't he just go retire in south Florida with his buddy trump? I mean, south Florida has a huge Jewish population

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/24/2024 2:34:04 AM   
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Why are we supprting a war we can't win in Israel & the Ukraine? We are wasting our money when it could be better spent building the border wall that Donald Trump started? We could be using that money here in the United States to help REAL Born Americans.

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/24/2024 3:05:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: israelislave


quote:

ORIGINAL: blnymph

quote:

ORIGINAL: israelislave

1) As to Your First Question

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal%E2%80%93Weizmann_agreement

1) They didn't create A Palestine Because "Palestinians" as a Group of people claiming for Palestinian Identity and Heritage did not exist until 1964 when Yaser Arafat came up with this story or better yet, A Fairy tale.

...


Sorry, wrong. False. Again: Does NOT get true by repetition.

The territory called Palestine for centuries, and as British Mandate before 1948. was not unpopulated. Whatever identity and heritage you bestow on them, this population existed. Call them the sum of descendants of muslims, crusade leftovers, converted jews, Druze, Samaritans. These people existed, and exist. Even Herzl thought of them, if only in the one sentence I quoted in my first post here. Any attempt to deny them their very existence is one of the sources of Israel's problem, not a solution, despite what Likud and Ozma claim. Face it.



So You are saying that everyone involved with separating the land and assigning this part of land for the future Jewish state were Ignorant? not aware of the population? To it's diversity? the problems it might cause?

During the Mandate, the area saw the rise of two nationalist movements: the Jews and the Palestinian Arabs. Intercommunal conflict in Mandatory Palestine ultimately produced the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine and the 1944–1948 Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine. The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine was passed on 29 November 1947; this envisaged the creation of separate Jewish and Arab states operating under economic union, and with Jerusalem transferred to UN trusteeship. Two weeks later, Colonial Secretary Arthur Creech Jones announced that the British Mandate would end on 15 May 1948. On the last day of the Mandate, the Jewish community there issued the Israeli Declaration of Independence. After the failure of the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine, the 1947–1949 Palestine war ended with Mandatory Palestine divided among Israel, the Jordanian annexation of the West Bank and the Egyptian All-Palestine Protectorate in the Gaza Strip.



No, I was not saying this, as can be read by everyone reading your previous posts. You claimed that Palestinians only existed after Arafat's declarations of the 60s. Now you acknowledge that a Palestinian nationalist movement existed even during the Mandate Era. Oops.
You seem not to notice how much you contradict yourself with your mix of information with misinformation.

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/24/2024 3:09:46 AM   
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Why are we supprting a war we can't win in Israel & the Ukraine? We are wasting our money when it could be better spent building the border wall that Donald Trump started? We could be using that money here in the United States to help REAL Born Americans.


These wars are not fought by you and thus if then not won by you. But a wall indeed clould be useful, with solid bars inserted. Put Trump in it. That might help indeed.

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/24/2024 1:40:57 PM   
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I am just going to take a moment to laugh at the absurdity of a German talking up the merits of a wall. In a thread about Jews, no less.

Ok, carry on.

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/24/2024 4:07:18 PM   
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Did we not have threads about Orangehead's border wall years ago? Didn't he promise he would make Mexico pay for it? Yes, we have some experiences about walls over here. What makes sense about walls (like preventing throwing rocks at each other, as in Belfast) and what makes not (like locking a population in/out, as in the GDR then); we could discuss why the leader of an attempted coup might deserve to be locked away behind a wall, might make some sense too. But honestly, Orangehead's Mexican wall? I didn't think your memories didn't last that far back to remember how it ended the last time.

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/25/2024 3:16:51 PM   
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Oh, I was referring to the wall Ronnie wanted Girbwchev to twar down. Put in place to divide Germany after the second time it decided to try to rule the world, with the sequel having a side plot blaming everything on Jews.

I only have a smidge of Jewish blood, but I still wouldn't listen much to a German's thoughts on Israel.

I do t recall any foreign assistance to defend our democracy on January 6th. Actually, I don't recall foreign intervention of any kind throughout Trump's presidency. It wasn't needed anyway
Americans voted him out of office. His own party denied funds for the wall.

I do understand the need to get our illegal immigration problems under control, but I have never believed a wall was a real way to do that.

Bringing the conversation back to Israel, I wonder how Trump's decision to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem was received by the locals. I know that decision was met with mixed feelings here at home, but I haven't heard anything about a plan to move it back.

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/25/2024 8:25:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: blnymph


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ORIGINAL: israelislave


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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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ORIGINAL: israelislave

1) As to Your First Question

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal%E2%80%93Weizmann_agreement

1) They didn't create A Palestine Because "Palestinians" as a Group of people claiming for Palestinian Identity and Heritage did not exist until 1964 when Yaser Arafat came up with this story or better yet, A Fairy tale.

...


Sorry, wrong. False. Again: Does NOT get true by repetition.

The territory called Palestine for centuries, and as British Mandate before 1948. was not unpopulated. Whatever identity and heritage you bestow on them, this population existed. Call them the sum of descendants of muslims, crusade leftovers, converted jews, Druze, Samaritans. These people existed, and exist. Even Herzl thought of them, if only in the one sentence I quoted in my first post here. Any attempt to deny them their very existence is one of the sources of Israel's problem, not a solution, despite what Likud and Ozma claim. Face it.



So You are saying that everyone involved with separating the land and assigning this part of land for the future Jewish state were Ignorant? not aware of the population? To it's diversity? the problems it might cause?

During the Mandate, the area saw the rise of two nationalist movements: the Jews and the Palestinian Arabs. Intercommunal conflict in Mandatory Palestine ultimately produced the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine and the 1944–1948 Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine. The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine was passed on 29 November 1947; this envisaged the creation of separate Jewish and Arab states operating under economic union, and with Jerusalem transferred to UN trusteeship. Two weeks later, Colonial Secretary Arthur Creech Jones announced that the British Mandate would end on 15 May 1948. On the last day of the Mandate, the Jewish community there issued the Israeli Declaration of Independence. After the failure of the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine, the 1947–1949 Palestine war ended with Mandatory Palestine divided among Israel, the Jordanian annexation of the West Bank and the Egyptian All-Palestine Protectorate in the Gaza Strip.



No, I was not saying this, as can be read by everyone reading your previous posts. You claimed that Palestinians only existed after Arafat's declarations of the 60s. Now you acknowledge that a Palestinian nationalist movement existed even during the Mandate Era. Oops.
You seem not to notice how much you contradict yourself with your mix of information with misinformation.


I'm saying that every person living or born in this Land Before 1948 was A Palestinian, be it Jewish, Arab, Christian Or other. Arabs who decided to remain in the new Israeli state are about 20% of Israeli citizenship, with actually more rights than An Israeli Jew. The rest of what was supposed to be "A National Home for the Jewish People" and taken Illegally by the Brits to establish Jordan was supposed to be the Arab, Muslim state for all Arabs not within the 1947 Partition bordered as applied by the UN - again, Against International Law, So those Arabs living in what You call the "occupied territories were in fact Jordanian citizens until 1967. Thing is, Jordan refused to accept them into the "New" Jordan such Egypt refused to accept the Gazan back into Egypt after the 1967 war, when the Gazans in fact were under Egyptian Occupation and Law.

These Arabs did NOT claim A "Palestinian" Nationality or A United Identity Until Arafat, Who was An Egyptian, came up with this Idea supported by Russian KGB. Actually their Greatest Bond is their extended family/Tribe/Hamula which's Importance even overarches Religion.

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/25/2024 8:34:58 PM   
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Why are we supprting a war we can't win in Israel & the Ukraine? We are wasting our money when it could be better spent building the border wall that Donald Trump started? We could be using that money here in the United States to help REAL Born Americans.



Because the World is on the Brink Of A Third World War with the US and Western countries on One side and China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, Syria Yemen and others on the Axis of Evil. Under the Biden Admin the US's status as World leader has degraded so much everyone dares the US by Attacking her Army, Killing Her soldiers, attacking her friendd to see how much is left of the US as the World's Greatest power still left.

Israel is exactly an example of focusing on A friend/Proxy to see the US's reaction, the whole Middle East is watching, and they will calculate their future steps based on what they see now.

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/25/2024 8:41:45 PM   
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I wonder how Trump's decision to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem was received by the locals. I know that decision was met with mixed feelings here at home, but I haven't heard anything about a plan to move it back.


That was accepted with gratitude, Many before him said they will, Americans And Others, But he Actually did. This showed to the World the US is behind Israel and the Historic truth of Jerusalem Being the Jew's most Holy place and accepts its legitimacy as the Countries Capital.

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/26/2024 2:35:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: israelislave

1) As to Your First Question

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal%E2%80%93Weizmann_agreement

1) They didn't create A Palestine Because "Palestinians" as a Group of people claiming for Palestinian Identity and Heritage did not exist until 1964 when Yaser Arafat came up with this story or better yet, A Fairy tale.

...


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These Arabs did NOT claim A "Palestinian" Nationality or A United Identity Until Arafat, Who was An Egyptian, came up with this Idea supported by Russian KGB. Actually their Greatest Bond is their extended family/Tribe/Hamula which's Importance even overarches Religion.




Pardon me, yes they did, as you stated yourself in the revolts of 1936ff, by the statements of Hitler's buddy, the Mufti al-Husseini asf. I hate to have to refer to that crap. But the more you repeat this blank lie here again and again, you are getting more and more incredible as a reliable person. Not only that, but you are also denigrating the victims of Hebron and Safed in 1929.

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 8/26/2024 2:56:20 AM   
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Oh, I was referring to the wall Ronnie wanted Girbwchev to twar down. Put in place to divide Germany after the second time it decided to try to rule the world, with the sequel having a side plot blaming everything on Jews.

I only have a smidge of Jewish blood, but I still wouldn't listen much to a German's thoughts on Israel.
...


Aaah I see you have thorough American-education-based knowledge of German history. Congrats. While I don't see any necessity of discussing my ancestry here with you, you obviously do not habe any knowledge that a number of concentration camp inmates survived despite the Nazi efforts, and some even decided to stay here. The colour of my passport does not contaminate my thoughts about Israel and its history.

You can put your clichés where the sun won't shine.

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