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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 9/6/2024 12:44:10 AM   
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But really... All this conversation is not relevant since October 7, 2023. What Hamas Did, the festivities in the "Palestinian Authority" the Increase of PA funded El Aqsa terror group, the Link with Hisballa, .

This is NOT a War over some Land, nor is it A war for A self-described "People"... It's the Arab world with the help of many western "Useful idiots" keeping alive the "Refuge Issue" keeping, Intentionally' the "Palestinians" in their status for political reasons.


You and your buddies fail to grasp that these Palestians are living people regardless their status. Yes sorry it is relevant. While I detest Hamas which had no trouble to fire rocket salvos instead of caring for shelters for the Gazan civilians I also detest people like Smotrich who consider mass starvation appropriate to what purpose exactly? force Hamas into surrender, free the hostages, make the Gaza strip available to future settlement? Consider me an useful idiot if you like, if it can be useful to save lives, Palestinian as well as Israeli lives, I regard this an honour, especailly since Smotrich himself admitted in the IT that only the international protests kept him from enforcing his starvation plans. This and the war criminal trial that might have been waiiting for him.



Please show me where in International Law One side is obligated to feed the other side, give is Electricity, Water, Cigarettes and shampoo? Like All other haters of Israel or Disconnected Self righteous double standard Liberals hold Israel to A different Standard then any other country or Nation.

The Mere fact you find similarity between A Democratic Self defending State and A Terror Organization is unfortunate Enough.

I'll give You something to think about. If The International community would had kept its mouth shot and suppress the need to stop the Jews from winning like they did every time before When Israel was attacked and turned the tables on the Attacker this War would have been much, much shorter and would have far fewer victims on both sides, it's this double standard that made the Israeli Army slow down, triple check with Lawyers every move they make, allowing Hamas to Regroup and extend the fighting.

Fact is Military History and International Law or Military Law have never had to deal with this kind of warfare, Never before did A terror group Rule A whole "Mini State" turning the whole state into one big fighting zone and making their battle plans based on their own population used as human shields and International Law to their aid knowing Israel will follow it while Hamas had no such Intention.

Israel did in the war more than Any army ever did to care for Civilians. For Instance, "Roof Knocking" is not in International Law, was never done by any Army ever and Helps the Terrorist escape in time before the Real Bomb comes down on the House. The result? The terrorist move to another house, again risking their own civilians, hence the body count goes up.

Israel does not get to lose, not even Once, As loosing Once is loosing everything while the Arabs, states and "Palestinian" get to try when ever they feel the time is right... so they can lose and don't care.

So what is it? Are you going to tell me I don't have the Right to live freely and safely in the Only Jewish state?

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 9/6/2024 8:31:42 AM   
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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 9/9/2024 2:18:24 PM   
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We all know Bibi is done after this is all over? He campaigned for years on keeping Israel safe. He failed last October. Plain and simple. The problem with this war is it's clearly some stupid religious war in the 21st century. Thus why politics and religion don't mix. Israel is a rare exception because it is the one real democracy in a otherwise hostile region. I get the safety. But yea, this is why normally religion should stay out of politics or become a Afghanistan type run by religious fanatics. I don't really give a shit about religion. This is reason enough. All believe in God of Abraham but each group thinks God only loves them. Screw that. I'm about spirituality. Big difference

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 9/10/2024 12:56:03 AM   
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I don't know where to start.... but here goes

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We all know Bibi is done after this is all over?


Who's "WE" and how do "WE" know this "Fact"? If I read my Country Man and Woman well there is A HUGE shift to the Right. October Seven was a Brutal"Wake-up" call to many who were "On the Side of Peace" which is off course A stupid Leftist Idea that Peace in Itself is A Magic word everybody on this planet Thrives for.

But these people can not vote to the more extreme right wing parties, not because they don't think those parties are wrong but because they can not admit to themselves they have come so far from where their Ideology has been until not so long ago, so PM Netanyahu is A sour Pill they can swallow.

The size of the Right wing will increase, Mark my words, and let's not forget PM Netanyahu Has not spoken publically about His version of October Seven and when he will Use the Following defense. And I personally think, Rightfully So.

"For Years, Chief of the Military, Chief of the Shabak, Chief of Intelligence
And others were feeding me, feeding the Inner Cabinet and Members of Knesset in the Various Knesset committees documents, assessments, prediction all leading to the same conclusion. "Hamas is Beaten, Hamas is Tired, Hamas leadership is now concentrating in improving the life of the Gasa strip population, so as long as we give them "A Little Win" now and then, to give Hamas leaders something to show the Gazans that the Jihad is Alive and we are only on a Break, Hamas will continue to build Gaza and its Our (Israel) Interest to allow the flow of Money from Qatar, Give more Gazans work permits to work in Israel, so this money can contribute to Gaza's Economy.

Even when I went on Vacation (Netanyahu) A week Before October Seven they all told me in A meeting "Enjoy Your vacation, Everything is Under control"

On the Night of October Six-Dawn of October Seven, when Chief of the Army, Chief of Shabak and Chief of Intelligence had the conference call they did not ask me to join nor did they inform me of Anything.

I was notified of the Invasion at Six thirty AM just like any other Israeli who opened TV and rushed to Army Headquarters.

I am Indeed as PM responsible By the nature of my Position, but I am not Guilty of this event since I was misled for many years either by mistake or Intent.

And He will be Correct Factually. Almost NO ONE in the Army, Shabak or Aman knew what was happening in Gaza for many reason and those who were able to figure out Hamas Real plans were dismissed by their Superiors as having A "Wild Imagination"' The Lookout" girls on the screens reported to their superiors many times of strange or unusual things happening in the border vicinity until they were threatened with court marshal if the "Don't stop with this Nonsense"

And it's all true. This is now common knowledge in Israel. It seems as If the Military were given an order to "Stand down", the Air force did not show up for Eight hours... b8 hours, while the border is torn open, Hamas coming and going on that border, taking the hostages, Army and infantry took up to 24 hours to seize back parts of the Area, Tons of Evidence and A Million questions still left open.


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The problem with this war is it's clearly some stupid religious war in the 21st century


This is A 1500 years old War. And nothing stupid about the tenth of Millions of people sleigh by Muslims because they were of different Religion.

Over 80.000.000 Hindu, Eighty Million, lost their lives Under the Islamic Jihad, Over One Million Europeans from the Southern coast of Europe and Western coast of Europe were hijacked by Muslims into Slavery as Muslims forbidden to enslave other Muslims, from Spain to the Chinese wall to the gates of Vienna, Austria, this Bloody Jihad is Still alive and now with Iran funding it, Thanks to USA policies lifting oil embargo they spread Billions... They are not shy about their objective... Destroy the Big Satan (USA) and the Small Satan (Israel), for years they have been building A "Fire Ring" around Israel and thriving towards Nuclear weapons, And now it all boiling.

You do not need to be religious Yourself to Understand that you need Religious people in Your own Intelligence forces to understand how the enemy thinks. It's exactly the same attitude as yours, Dismissive Left wing' Liberal, Woke state of mind among Israels Military leaders that brought on us this catastrophe.

I don't know where you live, but A friendly Advice, pay attention to your local news, check out your Main streets, see the demonstrations with people waving "Palestinian" flags, AND OTHERS, And those others are flags or fully pledged Muslim Terror Organizations, Including ISIS, on American And European Streets.

The west is Knee Deep in trouble, You have invited in your worth enemies who used your kindness to come and Your democracy to beat you to submission with your own democratic rules.

Good Luck.



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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 9/10/2024 3:40:14 PM   
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Most religions have been known to do some horrible things. Christianity definitely use to do horrible things to non christians. It's just Christians aren't doing that anymore. I guess grew out of that. Christianity had a reformation. Islam never did. Good thing Christians and Jews don't take the bible literal word for word. But currently I agree. The Islamic jihads are the largest threat. But that doesn't ignore the millions of peaceful Muslims too. America dealt with 9/11.We are well aware of the threat. America is always the first country that Israel has a right to defend itself. Just for the record, I'm not some far left wokie either. But I'm definitely not some far right wing nut job either. Moderates do exist. I'm an independent. What happens in Israel does impact America because America is sending billions of dollars every year. We do have a common threat in Iran. They are the ones funding all those groups. I agree you-all did good in taking out one of Hamas leader in Iran. There's no safe zone for terrorists. Eventually karma comes knocking or as the bible says, they shall reap what they sow

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 9/10/2024 3:43:31 PM   
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Also with Bibi, he hired his advisors. That's his fault fit hiring incompetent people. I'm not saying that bibi wanted this. Of course not. But incompetent people starts with the whole tree and not just a few branches. But hey, that's on Israelites to make that call.

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 9/10/2024 5:48:17 PM   
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1) Christianity And Judaism Did Advance with Time While Islam Did Not. If You are A Devout Muslim, You are Part in Jihad. There's the First Circle of the Actual Terrorist but there are other Hundreds of Millions who Help with donation, Providing services to the Terrorist, Providing Asylum to Terrorist etc.

2) It's Actually Communism/Marxism that caused most horrors and deaths in the world, But it is A religion in its own way.

3) Netanyahu Did Not and could not Pick Heads of the Army, Of Shabak, Aman, Mosad and other Agencies. He takes decisions based on the info they provide.

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 9/11/2024 10:30:51 AM   
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Fair enough. I wasn't sure if he could pick his military commanders or not there. They do here in America. At least the very top brass of the military

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RE: Israel is "now at war" - 9/29/2024 1:33:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: israelislave

I don't know where to start.... but here goes

quote:

We all know Bibi is done after this is all over?


Who's "WE" and how do "WE" know this "Fact"? If I read my Country Man and Woman well there is A HUGE shift to the Right. October Seven was a Brutal"Wake-up" call to many who were "On the Side of Peace" which is off course A stupid Leftist Idea that Peace in Itself is A Magic word everybody on this planet Thrives for.

But these people can not vote to the more extreme right wing parties, not because they don't think those parties are wrong but because they can not admit to themselves they have come so far from where their Ideology has been until not so long ago, so PM Netanyahu is A sour Pill they can swallow.

The size of the Right wing will increase, Mark my words, and let's not forget PM Netanyahu Has not spoken publically about His version of October Seven and when he will Use the Following defense. And I personally think, Rightfully So.

"For Years, Chief of the Military, Chief of the Shabak, Chief of Intelligence
And others were feeding me, feeding the Inner Cabinet and Members of Knesset in the Various Knesset committees documents, assessments, prediction all leading to the same conclusion. "Hamas is Beaten, Hamas is Tired, Hamas leadership is now concentrating in improving the life of the Gasa strip population, so as long as we give them "A Little Win" now and then, to give Hamas leaders something to show the Gazans that the Jihad is Alive and we are only on a Break, Hamas will continue to build Gaza and its Our (Israel) Interest to allow the flow of Money from Qatar, Give more Gazans work permits to work in Israel, so this money can contribute to Gaza's Economy.

Even when I went on Vacation (Netanyahu) A week Before October Seven they all told me in A meeting "Enjoy Your vacation, Everything is Under control"

On the Night of October Six-Dawn of October Seven, when Chief of the Army, Chief of Shabak and Chief of Intelligence had the conference call they did not ask me to join nor did they inform me of Anything.

I was notified of the Invasion at Six thirty AM just like any other Israeli who opened TV and rushed to Army Headquarters.

I am Indeed as PM responsible By the nature of my Position, but I am not Guilty of this event since I was misled for many years either by mistake or Intent.

And He will be Correct Factually. Almost NO ONE in the Army, Shabak or Aman knew what was happening in Gaza for many reason and those who were able to figure out Hamas Real plans were dismissed by their Superiors as having A "Wild Imagination"' The Lookout" girls on the screens reported to their superiors many times of strange or unusual things happening in the border vicinity until they were threatened with court marshal if the "Don't stop with this Nonsense"

And it's all true. This is now common knowledge in Israel. It seems as If the Military were given an order to "Stand down", the Air force did not show up for Eight hours... b8 hours, while the border is torn open, Hamas coming and going on that border, taking the hostages, Army and infantry took up to 24 hours to seize back parts of the Area, Tons of Evidence and A Million questions still left open.


quote:

The problem with this war is it's clearly some stupid religious war in the 21st century


This is A 1500 years old War. And nothing stupid about the tenth of Millions of people sleigh by Muslims because they were of different Religion.

Over 80.000.000 Hindu, Eighty Million, lost their lives Under the Islamic Jihad, Over One Million Europeans from the Southern coast of Europe and Western coast of Europe were hijacked by Muslims into Slavery as Muslims forbidden to enslave other Muslims, from Spain to the Chinese wall to the gates of Vienna, Austria, this Bloody Jihad is Still alive and now with Iran funding it, Thanks to USA policies lifting oil embargo they spread Billions... They are not shy about their objective... Destroy the Big Satan (USA) and the Small Satan (Israel), for years they have been building A "Fire Ring" around Israel and thriving towards Nuclear weapons, And now it all boiling.

You do not need to be religious Yourself to Understand that you need Religious people in Your own Intelligence forces to understand how the enemy thinks. It's exactly the same attitude as yours, Dismissive Left wing' Liberal, Woke state of mind among Israels Military leaders that brought on us this catastrophe.

I don't know where you live, but A friendly Advice, pay attention to your local news, check out your Main streets, see the demonstrations with people waving "Palestinian" flags, AND OTHERS, And those others are flags or fully pledged Muslim Terror Organizations, Including ISIS, on American And European Streets.

The west is Knee Deep in trouble, You have invited in your worth enemies who used your kindness to come and Your democracy to beat you to submission with your own democratic rules.

Good Luck.






The fact that he allowed Qatari money to flow through Israel and fund Hamas, just to keep the Palestinians divided and keep his case for denying them a state is grounds for treason IMO. I pray that he is voted out and convicted. He has Israeli blood on his hands.

If ONLY Tzipi Livni were able to form a majority coalition in the Knesset when her party won a plurality of the popular vote,..

1. Hamas and Islamic Jihad would be toothless fringe elements, like the KKK here in the US
2. There would be an Arab state in the West Bank, with some type of an agreement for Gaza
3. Hezbollah's grip on Lebanon would ease, as the Lebanese population would be sick of them
4. Iran would lose credibility in the region and be ostracized even more by all middle eastern states
5.. Israelis would be enjoying their lives unharmed on Oct 7th
6. 40000+ civilian Arabs in Gaza would be alive


If only....

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