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Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/20/2025 10:36:46 AM   
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The American left always manages to find the losing side of every 80/20 issue there is. The people overwhelmingly support voter ID laws and secure elections, but the owners of the Democrat Party and their attached-at-the-hip Democrat Media only dig in their heels and scream that nothing could possibly be worse than secure elections.

Americans want secure borders, fentanyl and human trafficking terrorist gangs nailed to the walls, and mass deportations - but the oligarchs that own the Democrats demand the exact opposite.

The people want secure neighborhoods, Democrats defund the police.

On and on.

Which brings us to the issue someone brought up on another thread, crying about how 'Orange Man Bad' is only deporting terrorist "students" because "Orange Man Bad' is Hitler, and he hates free speech

Which is AMAZINGLY stupid, because President Trump is DISBANDING the Democrat Party's censorship state that was used to silence dissent against the Democrat cult, and that Democrat Party censorship regime has now been forced offshore - literally handed over to Britain, and the United Nations to try to crush social platforms that allow free speech

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=5105447

The President teamed up, in fact, with the man who bought Twitter for billions of dollars TO RESTORE FREE SPEECH to the people

No one should be allowed come here on a student Visa, only to attack and harass Jews, preach violent jihad, and openly work to overthrow our elected leaders

Leave it to Democrats though, to literally riot in support of Hamas radicals after their organization mass slaughtered, kidnapped, violently and sadistically raped and tortured as many entire Jewish families as they possibly could - and still hold rape hostages to this day

When applying for visas, foreigners are asked if they are a part of any terror group. If they lie and are then allowed in here, once they are found out they get deported

It isn't a free speech issue, regardless of what your cult's oligarch masters have mindwashed you into believing


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RE: Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/21/2025 4:30:00 AM   
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The term terrorist is used quite a bit, but no evidence to support it is shown.

I don't believe that students here on VISA should have to stifle their opinions, as long as those opinions aren't actual hate speech.

Supporting a free Palestine is not antisemitic. Marching and chanting 'Jewd will not replace us' is.
Opposing the actions of a foreign government isn't antisemitic. Elon's Nazi salute at the inauguration was.

There is video evidence of Trump and Vance being hostile to a Jewish leader. If evidence exists against a specific student, then let it come to light.

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RE: Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/21/2025 5:35:28 AM   
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The Constitution gives the office of the president the sole authority to authorize visas, and to revoke them.

Coming here is a privilege, not a right.

When you are elected president, you can coddle terrorists all you want - you can even pretend they're cute and fluffy, like whoever was running the WEhite House last did.

Until then?

Stop trying to steal my democracy.


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RE: Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/21/2025 7:24:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Had any law enforcement agency filed charges on a student with a VISA for being a terrorist? Has any been convicted of such a thing recently? Or are you making more claims that you know damn well that you can't substantiate? These are also known as LIES.

You are correct that the executive branch has the power to revoke VISAs. I have no problem with the Constitutionality of that action. But it is important to note that all changes to the Constitution are called Amendments, which overpower the original document. The first Amendment is ays that Congress shall make no law". The executive branch has no authority to make laws anyway, only to enforce the ones that Congress has passed.

There are plenty of American Jews that believe in a free Palestine as well and that do not support the actions of the Israeli governmwnt. Just as there are people all across the world protesting American leadership, without malice on their hearts for the American people.

People are being disallowed from entering this country legally for a multitude of reasons now. This treatment of foreign nationals is likely to cause harm to the relations of our governments, as well as invite boycotts from that country's citizens on American goods. Not to mention the boycotting of America as a tourist destination. Living just outside of Orlando, that's kinda a big deal to me.

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RE: Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/21/2025 8:06:47 PM   
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No one should be allowed come here on a student Visa, only to attack and harass Jews, preach violent jihad, and openly work to overthrow our elected leaders


True, but people have been deported, simply for saying stupid things like "HAMAS is not a terrorist organization. They are a humanitarian organization. They are merely defending themselves against Israeli aggression."
Stupidity from the liberal left to be sure, but that doesn't make a person a terrorist.

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It isn't a free speech issue, regardless of what your cult's oligarch masters have mindwashed you into believing


It most certainly IS a free speech issue when the only thing a person is deported for is his/her speech.


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RE: Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/21/2025 8:07:39 PM   
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Coming here is a privilege, not a right.



SO true!

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RE: Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/21/2025 9:43:38 PM   
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Had any law enforcement agency blah blah blah


The president is the top law enforcement officer in all the land.

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RE: Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/25/2025 7:55:05 AM   
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True, but people have been deported, simply for saying stupid things like "HAMAS is not a terrorist organization. They are a humanitarian organization. They are merely defending themselves against Israeli aggression."



"Students" here on Visa that openly support a known terrorist organization then, exactly as I have been posting.

Good catch, and thank you for the backup

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RE: Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/25/2025 8:18:56 AM   
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True, but people have been deported, simply for saying stupid things like "HAMAS is not a terrorist organization. They are a humanitarian organization. They are merely defending themselves against Israeli aggression."



"Students" here on Visa that openly support a known terrorist organization then, exactly as I have been posting.

Good catch, and thank you for the backup


Constitutionally, these "Students" have the right to free speech. Morally, and practically, I would agree with you. If you are a guest of the US on a VISA, your "free speech" should be limited at least by being prohibited from the open support of terrorist organizations.

In Germany, for instance. Free speech is not absolute. (Or at least it wasn't a decade ago) You could not openly support Hitler and naziism.
The right wing out there may have since changed that.

In any case, this issue is most definitely a free speech issue.

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RE: Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/25/2025 8:25:34 AM   
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Leave it to Democrats though, to literally riot in support of Hamas radicals after their organization mass slaughtered, kidnapped, violently and sadistically raped and tortured as many entire Jewish families as they possibly could - and still hold rape hostages to this day




One of the countless reasons I am disgusted by the Democrat party. I was horrified to watch some oversized woman on TV with a butch blue-green haircut and a microphone yelling at the sheep "HAMAS is NOT a terrorist organization. Islamic Jihad is NOT a terrorist organization"

I saw those protests in my own neighborhood as well. So clueless.

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RE: Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/26/2025 8:36:23 AM   
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Constitutionally, these "Students" have the right to free speech. Morally, and practically, I would agree with you. If you are a guest of the US on a VISA, your "free speech" should be limited at least by being prohibited from the open support of terrorist organizations.

In Germany, for instance. Free speech is not absolute. (Or at least it wasn't a decade ago) You could not openly support Hitler and naziism.
The right wing out there may have since changed that.

In any case, this issue is most definitely a free speech issue.


Foreigners who support terrorism / terrorist organizations, or are a part of a hate group, or have aspirations to overthrow the U.S. Government, have to lie on their Visa application to be allowed to come in here.

Lying on one's Visa application is grounds for expulsion.

These people were attacking, intimidating, and threatening Jewish students (among other things).

Harvard, Biden's handlers, and the Democrat Party et. al. would have implemented much different policy toward them had the offenders been White Supremacists attacking Black students

Always two standards with the left

And they are your people, like it or not

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RE: Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/26/2025 10:47:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is all students protesting not "foreign students"

I am not sure what archaic law, and shitty interpretation of said law, the Republican's are trying to use this time to deport students. Behind the push it will be special interest USA Jewish Groups that hold a sway well above the level they should do in America, and not specifically the Republican's, or dems - but those ones, wont have the actual factual information but merely propaganda the Jewish special interest pump out to the american news sphere.

Are Hamas a terror organization? It depends what you mean but the short answer is no and yes. And do note Israel funded the rise of Hamas.

A brief synopsis of what is happening in Gaza and to the Palestinian's:
6 million cannot go home since 1950.


From a population of some 2 million in Gaza 200,000 are dead or injured which is 10% of the population
90% of all: infrastructures, schools, hospitals, Water wells, aquifers, arable farm land has been deliberately destroyed or poisoned. reiterates All deliberately. The most simple term I have heard some people use its a War of Annihilation.
60%-80% of all deaths and injuries are women and children. This is deliberate too.
West Bank, Golan Heights, Lebanon and now parts of Syria, the Jewish have been doing all the Hamas terror stuff longer than I have been alive.
At least 8000 Jewish War crimes have been reported to the UN and bodies. The Jewish refuse to accept any UN rulings past and present. Expanding the west bank via murder rape oppression is one of many examples.

Should free speech be absolute? It depends what you mean. Personally its all that bullshit lies and lying propaganda I cannot stand and that is what I see coming from USA but even more amplified since Trump took the reins of power, aided and abetted by all evil special interest groups, from business to religious, and Russia.

Just because I am Scottish it doesn't mean I know the laws of some 30 European countries but yes in Germany you cannot do the Nazi salute and some other Nazi stuff. If they want to do that they should be allowed to do so. I doubt Adolf Hitler and his evil Henchmen came up with that one. Elon Musk knew exaclty what he was doing.

BoscoX Which is AMAZINGLY stupid, because President Trump is DISBANDING the Democrat Party's censorship state that was used to silence dissent against the Democrat cult, and that Democrat Party censorship regime has now been forced offshore - literally handed over to Britain, and the United Nations to try to crush social platforms that allow free speech

Did you just not mock all those "terror" students for having free speech and mocking the UK and EU for a interpretation of free speech is not absolute, nor is made up lying bullshit propaganda?

The groups in America that don't want free speech is the Right political party and some religious special interest groups. arn't they the ones burning books, removing them, and so on?


MasterJ quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Coming here is a privilege, not a right. SO true!
America is one of the most hated countries in the world and for good reason. If it makes you all feel any better UK isnt far behind them but they typically mean England for those that know the differences.

Those Students are not terrorists.

Defunding everything is the goal or trump, most republican's and various special interest groups from environment to religion. And now all universities where people protest the slaughter of a whole race, and some jews are not happy with what is happening in places like Gaza. My opinion of Trump he doesn't give a fuck about any of this he only care about self enrichment, and he could not find Canada, Greenland, prob find Russia, on a map, but he wont be able to find places like Gaza, Golan Heights, Lebanon, West Bank - for the last 4 that will be most American's and plenty of people from UK.

BoscoX I certainly know you well enough over the years do you mind me asking what are your top 5 news sites that you look at, same question to you other 2 MJ and Jvov?

One of Adolf Hitler's and his evil as fuck crew stratagems was to blame as many "groups" as he could which was pretty much them all ranging from Jews to Gays, Bolsheviks etc all inclusive really. This didn't begin with Adolf Hitler either.




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RE: Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/26/2025 1:34:21 PM   
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Foreigners who support terrorism / terrorist organizations, or are a part of a hate group, or have aspirations to overthrow the U.S. Government, have to lie on their Visa application to be allowed to come in here.


O-----M------G!!!!!!!

You are EXACTLY right!!!! Read below... PARTICULARLY VII!!!! There is no absolute free speech if you are on a Student VISA (as there should NOT be)

Under grounds for denial of a Student VISA from the US State Dept website...
(B) Terrorist activities-

(i) IN GENERAL.-Any alien who-

(I) has engaged in a terrorist activity,

(II) a consular officer, the Attorney General, or the Secretary of Homeland Security knows, or has reasonable ground to believe, is engaged in or is likely to engage after entry in any terrorist activity (as defined in clause (iv));

(III) has, under circumstances indicating an intention to cause death or serious bodily harm, incited terrorist activity;

(IV) is a representative (as defined in clause (v)) of--

(aa) a terrorist organization (as defined in clause (vi)); or

(bb) a political, social, or other group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity;

(V) is a member of a terrorist organization described in subclause (I) or (II) of clause (vi);

(VI) is a member of a terrorist organization described in clause (vi)(III), unless the alien can demonstrate by clear and convincing evidence that the alien did not know, and should not reasonably have known, that the organization was a terrorist organization;

(VII) endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization;

(VIII) has received military-type training (as defined in section 2339D(c)(1) of title 18, United States Code) from or on behalf of any organization that, at the time the training was received, was a terrorist organization (as defined in clause (vi)); or

(IX) is the spouse or child of an alien who is inadmissible under this subparagraph, if the activity causing the alien to be found inadmissible occurred within the last 5 years, is inadmissible.




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Lying on one's Visa application is grounds for expulsion.

TRUE

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These people were attacking, intimidating, and threatening Jewish students (among other things).

MOST people doing that who were misguided brainwashed leftist US students. But if they were foreigners on a student VISA they need to be deported.

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Harvard, Biden's handlers, and the Democrat Party et. al. would have implemented much different policy toward them had the offenders been White Supremacists attacking Black students

Always two standards with the left


TRUE

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And they are your people, like it or not


Sorry, no. They are the antithesis of what I believe in.

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RE: Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/26/2025 2:59:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		A lot of Roman Numerals there? They originate where? Fuck, you didn't even give me your shitty imperial system.

Look, you need to tell me what you just quoted, and also why?

This stuff I sort of know:
The Insurrection Act of 1807 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807

The "Hatch Amendment," introduced by Senator Orrin Hatch in 1981?

The Comstock Act, a 150-year-old federal law, criminalizes the mailing of materials deemed "obscene, lewd, or lascivious," including those related to birth control and abortion. While its original intent was to ban obscenity, it's now being revived by some anti-abortion groups to potentially restrict access to abortion pills and related materials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comstock_Act_of_1873

Internment of Japanese Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans












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RE: Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/26/2025 8:54:22 PM   
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A lot of Roman Numerals there? They originate where? Fuck, you didn't even give me your shitty imperial system.

Look, you need to tell me what you just quoted, and also why?



What I quoted was the list of security reasons someone can be denied a VISA.
from here...

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/visa-information-resources/waivers.html

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RE: Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/26/2025 10:45:57 PM   
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From your link if I chose this one

(d)(1) The Attorney General shall determine whether a ground for exclusion exists with respect to a nonimmigrant described in section 101(a)(15)(S). The Attorney General, in the Attorney General's discretion, may waive the application of subsection (a) (other than paragraph (3)(E)) in the case of a nonimmigrant described in section 101(a)(15)(S), if the Attorney General considers it to be in the national interest to do so. Nothing in this section shall be regarded as prohibiting the Immigration Service from instituting removal proceedings against an alien admitted as a nonimmigrant under section 101(a)(15)(S) for conduct committed after th e alien's admission into the United States, or for conduct or a condition that was not disclosed to the Attorney General prior to the alien's admission as a nonimmigrant under section 101(a)(15)(S).

(2) repealed;

(3)(A) Except as provided in this subsection, an alien (i) who is applying for a nonimmigrant visa and is known or believed by the consular officer to be ineligible for such visa under subsection (a) (other than paragraphs (3)(A)(i)(I), (3)(A)(ii), (3)(A)(iii), (3)(C), and clauses (i) and (ii) of paragraph (3)(E) of such subsection), may, after approval by the Attorney General of a recommendation by the Secretary of State or by the consular officer that the alien be admitted temporarily despite his inadmissibility, be granted such a visa and may be admitted into the United States temporarily as a nonimmigrant in the discretion of the Attorney General, or (ii) who is inadmissible under subsection (a) (other than paragraphs (3)(A)(i)(I), (3)(A)(ii), (3)(A)(iii), (3)(C), and clauses (i) and (ii) of paragraph (3)(E) of such subsection), but who is in possession of appropriate documents or is granted a waiver thereof and is seeking admission, may be admitted into the United States temporarily as a nonimmigrant in the discretion of the Attorney General. The Attorney General shall prescribe conditions, including exaction of such bonds as may be necessary, to control and regulate the admission and return of inadmissible aliens applying for temporary admission under this paragraph.

(B)(i) The Secretary of State, after consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of Homeland Security, or the Secretary of Homeland Security, after consultation with the Secretary of State and the Attorney General, may determine in such Secretary's sole unreviewable discretion that subsection (a)(3)(B) shall not apply with respect to an alien within the scope of that subsection or that subsection (a)(3)(B)(vi)(III) shall not apply to a group within the scope of that subsection, except that no such waiver may be extended to an alien who is within the scope of subsection (a)(3)(B)(i)(II), no such waiver may be extended to an alien who is a member or representative of, has voluntarily and knowingly engaged in or endorsed or espoused or persuaded others to endorse or espouse or support terrorist activity on behalf of, or has voluntarily and knowingly received military-type training from a terrorist organization that is described in subclause (I) or (II) of subsection (a)(3)(B)(vi), and no such waiver may be extended to a group that has engaged terrorist activity against the United States or another democratic country or that has purposefully engaged in a pattern or practice of terrorist activity that is directed at civilians. Such a determination shall neither prejudice the ability of the United States Government to commence criminal or civil proceedings involving a beneficiary of such a determination or any other person, nor create any substantive or procedural right or benefit for a beneficiary of such a determination or any other person. Notwithstanding any other provision of law (statutory or nonstatutory), including section 2241 of title 28, or any other habeas corpus provision, and sections 1361 and 1651 of such title, no court shall have jurisdiction to review such a determination or revocation except in a proceeding for review of a final order of removal pursuant to section 1252 of this title, and review shall be limited to the extent provided in section 1252(a)(2)(D). The Secretary of State may not exercise the discretion provided in this clause with respect to an alien at any time during which the alien is the subject of pending removal proceedings under section 1229a of this title.

(ii) Not later than 90 days after the end of each fiscal year, the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Homeland Security shall each provide to the Committees on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives and of the Senate, the Committee on International Relations of the House of Representatives, the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate, and the Committee on Homeland Security of the House of Representatives a report on the aliens to whom such Secretary has applied clause (i). Within one week of applying clause (i) to a group, the Secretary of State or the Secretary of Homeland Security shall provide a report to such C

Thank you for that link?

In the last 4 months travel to american is down 20%? here is a link US to miss out on billions as Trump’s policies deter overseas tourists https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/26/trump-tariffs-trade-war-tourism

Trump university still open?

What about this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States Trump is gone by that metric, his 3 wives? I said 3 not 2, and his 6ish spawn? As is your fine American Elon Musk, Canada is he, South African, and its 15
spawn?

I will leave your fine education establishments to yur finest universities in the world. Any papers I read from your shit hole all have Chinese names? Zero english not even Oxford?

Feel free to mull over Melania Trump visa: Republican's wife denies rule break Melania Trump visa: Republican's wife denies rule break https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36981502

Perhaps you lot require more than that?

What is the Einstein visa? And how did Melania Trump get one? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43256318

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RE: Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/27/2025 2:30:21 PM   
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I know some stuff but not it all

From your link if I chose this one



The point of my post is BoscoX's premise of this thread. The rule governing ALL VISA's in the US include a prohibition of some speech.

"ESPOUSING" (which includes speaking, or publicly writing) support for terrorism or a terrorist organization is prohibited and grounds for denial.


These "Students" knew the rules when they applied. I no longer feel any sympathy for the Turkish woman who was detained and deported for writing an editorial in her college newspaper praising HAMAS.

If she thinks HAMAS is so wonderful, why does she come to the US in the first place? There are universities in Turkey and Egypt (adjacent to Gaza). Perhaps they like people who praise HAMAS there?

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RE: Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/28/2025 7:07:34 AM   
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Fast Reply -

“Free speech is extremely dangerous to our democracy.”

https://x.com/thegeneral_0/status/1916828677507068004?s=46&t=QpYUw6Sif8fumszGm9mdDA

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RE: Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/28/2025 9:44:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the UK it is now illegal to support groups like Hamas. I am using Hamas as an example here but it could be a few other groups too. That also means you can get into trouble if you type that shit on the internet, protest and demonstrate.

MJ and B I have no idea what the UK means by support or how the define support

A recent case in the UK is Taxi driver who stoked Southport riots jailed

A taxi driver whose social media posts were a "catalyst" for riots that broke out after three girls were stabbed to death in Southport has been jailed seven and a half years.

Andrew McIntyre, 39, set up a Telegram channel called "Southport Wake Up" in the immediate aftermath of the knife attack at a children's dance class in the Merseyside town on 29 July.

The court heard McIntyre shared content from a site called Tommy Robinson/Britain First/For Britain about a protest in Southport on 30 July.

Over the years I have come across Free Speech more than a few times. I am all for it but I struggle to define it. Best i have come with after all these years as long as it not bullshit lies I am fine with it but then you get into conundrums what about peoples opinions, why do they have them, and where did they get them from.

The recent UK case was about free speech and stoking up hate but even with that how do you define that? I don't like my fucking weather most times is that me stirring up hate? What's a clear area, grey area, murky are too far?

MJ and B with the students I am fine with what they did. No violence- but even that might get you going down the path with what is a militia?

To me American free speech means you can say anything. But then, that has also been ruled on it isn't absolute?

Because someone protests at what Hamas (as an example again) fine with that myself, minus the Jewish propaganda and deliberate lies, and people protest at Jews wiping Gaza from the face of the planet and them using any olde made up bullshit as a pretext for that I am not okay with that and no one should be. The Jewish lobby groups, for it size in the usa, is very very powerful.






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RE: Free Speech For Student Terrorists Here On Visa? - 4/28/2025 4:41:01 PM   
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In the UK it is now illegal to support groups like Hamas. I am using Hamas as an example here but it could be a few other groups too. That also means you can get into trouble if you type that shit on the internet, protest and demonstrate.

MJ and B I have no idea what the UK means by support or how the define support

A recent case in the UK is Taxi driver who stoked Southport riots jailed

A taxi driver whose social media posts were a "catalyst" for riots that broke out after three girls were stabbed to death in Southport has been jailed seven and a half years.

Andrew McIntyre, 39, set up a Telegram channel called "Southport Wake Up" in the immediate aftermath of the knife attack at a children's dance class in the Merseyside town on 29 July.

The court heard McIntyre shared content from a site called Tommy Robinson/Britain First/For Britain about a protest in Southport on 30 July.

Over the years I have come across Free Speech more than a few times. I am all for it but I struggle to define it. Best i have come with after all these years as long as it not bullshit lies I am fine with it but then you get into conundrums what about peoples opinions, why do they have them, and where did they get them from.

The recent UK case was about free speech and stoking up hate but even with that how do you define that? I don't like my fucking weather most times is that me stirring up hate? What's a clear area, grey area, murky are too far?

MJ and B with the students I am fine with what they did. No violence- but even that might get you going down the path with what is a militia?

To me American free speech means you can say anything. But then, that has also been ruled on it isn't absolute?

Because someone protests at what Hamas (as an example again) fine with that myself, minus the Jewish propaganda and deliberate lies, and people protest at Jews wiping Gaza from the face of the planet and them using any olde made up bullshit as a pretext for that I am not okay with that and no one should be. The Jewish lobby groups, for it size in the usa, is very very powerful.




If you are an American citizen on American soil... Say whatever the fuck you want, as long as you don't specifically call for violence. (Except for the growing list of exceptions these days)
You can even walk around in a park with your buddies, carrying tiki torches and chant "Jews will not replace us"

If you are a foreigner who is here on a VISA (and therefore a guest of the USA), don't ESPOUSE support for terrorist groups. It is written clearly in the rules under grounds for denial.

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