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RE: Sadist - 8/7/2006 11:15:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tamerofwild1s

lmaooo hearing the snow ordeal made me think of a time I had a slave who had said something inappropriate one winter while we were out . I pulled near a snow bank and made her get out . once outside the car I pulled her panties down and lifted her skirt . made her sit right in the snow bank and proceeded to lecture her on her actions ... I could see the snow and cold was getting to her.
 
the warm up was especially nice but oh lord I know she was calling me a sadistic bastard in her brain


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RE: Sadist - 8/8/2006 7:13:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cuddleheart50

Is a sadist a person who acts one way, or are there different kinds of sadists?  For pain? For mind games?  Whats your idea about how a sadist is?


You've heard the dictionary definition and you've heard many answers as to how the variations on sadism in BDSM can run the gamut from never opening the skin to those who most closely fit the Webster's/Oxford definition.

For me, what makes me a sadist is the infliction of pain or sensations so intense that they, coupled with something such as inability to move, create pain when...if done a different way...would not.  These tend to go into the mental realm also and therefore, these really stretch my creative side.  An example of this for me would be Tamer's lecture to the snow-sitting, bare-assed submissive (though he may see it from a different angle.  Again, the variable viewpoint of the sadist doing the exercise).  Gotta love these   These are the ones that have earned me the affectionate nickname of "Twisted" sadistic bastard.


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RE: Sadist - 8/8/2006 3:43:32 PM   
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But do you still enjoy inflicting pain on the sub if she doesnt enjoy it...do you still get pleasure from that?


For me, depends entirely on the person I am with. My slave, yes. I love pressing her as far as she can go. In that instance, I can truely say I am a sadist, because I don't care whether or not she enjoys anything I do to her and I know I can push her. I will not, however, damage her, but I know though, that she takes more and more pain because I want her to, not that she necessarily wants it herself, although she is a bit of a pain slut (ex: I keep threatening her with hook suspension [something that when done will be done with a professional group, not alone], and it is clear how much she begs me not to that she would prefer it not being a fascination of mine.) These times are the most fufilling as a sadist, producing the greatest highs. However, it is because I know her, love her, and I know how deeply her committment is to me that enables me to take it as far as I can take it.

My friends I scene with occassionally, I would like to push them into agony, but won't press the envelop on it because I know they would take unkindly to it. I scened a couple nights ago with my friend and yes I did press his pain tolerence a couple times past where he was comfortable for short durations, and he didn't know that was on purpose till after I told him. I still stayed with in his tolerence mostly because I know he didn't really consent to pressing it. However, it was an enjoyable experience overall. 

On the flip side, as a sadomasochist, I take pain well past my comfort zones because I have found that I enjoy agony. I enjoy knowing I went through all of that, and the head space it puts me in (feral, feline), even if, in the momment, the last thing I want is the next blow and I'm hissing, yelping and struggling to get away. Its actually pretty interesting. In masochism, I don't care if there are endorphins or not. I'm in it for the pain (and will also be in the aforementioned suspension). So basically, I am finding that I am as much a sadist as I am a masochist. (I scened with the same friend mentioned above a few days prior to him bottoming to me, and yes, he beat me silly, almost to safewording :P)

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RE: Sadist - 8/8/2006 6:11:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: angelic

i agree there are honorable sadists (yes i said honorable) and then there are those that simply do it to watch another suffer without worry about the caring part... they (these will refer to the sub/slave as 'it' and truly mean it) are simply a vessel for their anger.  one i used to call Master was one of these... still is... still does...


I like your term of the honorable sadist....  I myself use the term Moral Sadist as oppose to Immoral Sadist.   As I said in another post in this thread.  A sadist is rather straight forward in definition.  The question is what other defining qualities go with that sadist.  such as Honorable, Moral, Sick, Immoral, Loving, Hateful .....The list is long... I suggest one consider what they wish to come with a sadist they become involved in.

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RE: Sadist - 8/11/2006 7:56:56 PM   
WhipTheHip


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Status: offline 		Hi Tamer of Wild Ones,
 
> My sadism draws from the mild to the extreme damage tissue ..
> maybe .. depends on your definition of damaging .. 

What I am talking about are scenes that leave scar tissue.
I personally don't believe it is sane to permanently disfigure
a sub.  I will not condemn those who engage in this kind
of "play" as long as it is consensual.  But I would worry
about the emotional integrity of any sub who agreed to
permanent bodily disfigurement. 
 
> but I do consider myself very sane
 
I don't know you, so I would never question your sanity.  I,
myself, am quite insane, but not in a dangerous way.  Any
female who has an interest in me would in all likelihood also
have to be insane.  
 
I would just like to point out, that belief that one is sane is
no evidence of sanity.  It is the nature of insanity that
people who have it are the very last to realize it.
 
> what you call insane some of us do not
 
I learned from Alt.Torture that my views are not generally
accepted by the wider leather community.  As I understand
it, a lot of Doms and Subs are into "edge play," needles
and such. 
 
and we shouldn't be called names for it.

I didn't call anyone a name.  Sane people can do insane
things.  I've done insane things.  Just becaue I think
something you may or may not do is not sane does not
mean I think you are insane.
 
We all draw the line at diferent places.  I am pretty
sure you would consider cutting off a sub's ear or
nipple insane.  And if someone claimed that was
their kink, you would have no problem saying you
thought that was insane.
 
Just because a lot of subs and doms do a certain
thing does not necessarily make it sane.

 
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RE: Sadist - 8/11/2006 8:08:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Its a good thing that I'm not looking for a sadist.

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RE: Sadist - 8/15/2006 6:32:25 PM   
JessicaLashes


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Status: offline 		Just as an example:

Being a Sadist simply may mean you enjoy causing the physical and, or, mental, pain, suffering, humiliation, and degradation of another person.  Such a person is more focused on power and control.

A sexual-sadist may derive sexual arousal, even sexual gratification, from causing the the physical and, or, mental, pain, suffering, humiliation, and degradation of another person.  This may even include the watching of others in pain.  This kind of person gets aroused sexually from being in a control, and from the power of controlling others.

So ask yourself why you think that you are a sadist?  Do you like to dish it out, or just watch?  What is it that excites you?



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ORIGINAL: Homestead

Some sadists like it when the bottom enjoys what they are doing..Others feel more satisfying energy if they think is is being suffered, rather than enjoyed.


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RE: Sadist - 8/15/2006 7:07:40 PM   
WhipTheHip


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Status: offline 		There is a big difference between enjoying sexual sadism, and being an emotional sadist or just a sadist.  Non-sexual sadism is symptomatic of a personality disorder.

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RE: Sadist - 8/15/2006 9:17:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

There is a big difference between enjoying sexual sadism, and being an emotional sadist or just a sadist.  Non-sexual sadism is symptomatic of a personality disorder.


your ignorance is rather telling with this post.  You are in effect saying that unless one gains sexual arousal with the inflicting of pain that one could be consider afflicted with a personality disorder.

It wasn't too long in the past that sexaul sadism was consider a disorder in it's own right.  Fortunately, mental health is evolving and the acts themselves are not consider in simple isolation... but the motivations and consequences to ones well-being is being considered as well.

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RE: Sadist - 8/15/2006 9:32:39 PM   
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RE: Sadist - 8/15/2006 9:46:31 PM   
KnightofMists


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RE: Sadist - 8/15/2006 9:55:09 PM   
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RE: Sadist - 8/15/2006 9:57:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Homestead, you're right there.
I'm not a sadist in the stricktest sense of the word but I do like it when like you said, a sub "enjoys" what I'm doing to her, like if I'm really spanking her hard or pinching her nipples real hard for example.
To (me) anyway, pain should be "pleasurable" but I like to push limits ever so slightly into that "gray" area.




I feel the same way...I like the "gray" area description.


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RE: Sadist - 8/15/2006 10:01:03 PM   
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There is a big difference between enjoying sexual sadism, and being an emotional sadist or just a sadist.  Non-sexual sadism is symptomatic of a personality disorder


Sexual arousal may or may not coincide with S&M play, or other forms of inflicing consentual pain. When I started, there was no sexual arousal, just intense curiosity.

(ex: piercing, tattooing, body modification, the artist definately enjoys what he does, doesn't he? Otherwise, why would he be there placing metal through skin without painkillers administered? It may be a different version of sadism for some, or completely unrelated to the pain itself, but to the art, but the act is still there, and some still qualify as sadists, gleaning enjoyment from the act as well as the art).Another thing you might want to look into are people who delve into pain play for the sake of enlightenment, philosophy and catharsis, or just seem to enjoy inflicting or recieving pain for no particular reason. Admittedly, most of these type of people who delve into it for the philosophy, or sometimes control over their bodies also have pain inflicted on them, and many may be considered sadomasochists. You might want to look further into why, and take a look at some of the reasons behind body modifications. I can guarantee you, most of the people in that community are perfectly healthy human beings just like we are, even if their lifestyles have nothing to do with sex.

A quote from suspension.org (hook suspension) sums it up rather well. It is about why one would have it inflicted, but this viewpoint seems to be widespread among that community.
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There are many different reasons to suspend, from pure adrenaline or endorphin rush, to conquering ones fears, to trying to reach a new level of spiritual consciousness and everything in between. In general, people suspend to attain some sort of "experience".
Some people are seeking the opportunity to discover a deeper sense of themself and to challenge pre-determined belief systems which may not be true. Some are seeking a right of passage or a spiritual encounter to let go of the fear of not being whole or complete inside their body.
Others are looking for control over their body, or seek to prove to themselves that they are more than their bodies, or are not their bodies at all. Others simply seek to explore the unknown


In many cases, the one facilitating this experience feels almost like a shamanistic helper, and in many cases enabling them to experience something the "sadist" has already done. Their enjoyment of inflicting goes beyond the physical.

How you enjoy inflicting or recieving the pain and why is completely subjective to you.

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RE: Sadist - 8/16/2006 3:30:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is an art to all this as there always is with people. I desire to cause pain, but I want the sub to desire the pain also either physically or emotionally. It could be that she wants things out of her control where she is hurt beyond her comfort level and I consider such cases as her desiring my sadism. However, most often the dance is to affect her in such a way that she wants and accepts what I offer until she is in her beautiful space. That is usually my goal if the scene is something like a whipping session.
 
The person is the most important agent and conveyor of a scene. I want to know her very well to make the art possible. As with posters on this board, it is important to understand what kind of person you are dealing with…flat or round, typical or particular, static or developing. I can condition her somewhat with the particular theme of a scene, but more importantly the scene must be able to carry her traits along to where she will accept my level of pain.
 
Certain people lack depth and, in that case, my scene would be a basic two dimensional plot that gets across a single idea such as pain and reward. In more conscious subs, I want to probe a certain individuality with a subtle, three dimensional scene. I want her to undergo some change as a result of the conflict she will feel. Being the sadist, I am, it is usually a change to where she is accepting of more pain.

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RE: Sadist - 8/16/2006 5:07:36 AM   
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I'll be .... someone just said I am not sane .... ain't that kick in the pants ..


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RE: Sadist - 8/16/2006 5:21:22 AM   
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There is a big difference between enjoying sexual sadism, and being an emotional sadist or just a sadist. Non-sexual sadism is symptomatic of a personality disorder.


Interesting assessment. So you are saying that if a person doesn't get a stiffy from inflicting pain on someone, they have a personality disorder? 
There are no other valid motivations other than sexual arousal?
How very limiting.

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RE: Sadist - 8/16/2006 5:29:29 AM   
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RE: Sadist - 8/16/2006 6:18:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

It is the DSM-IV-TR that distinguishes between sexual sadism and non-sexual sadism.


yes a point in time... and the ones before it... said different things with regards on the issue.  I suspect that the ones after it will continue to evolve and make new realizations and distinctions on the issues of sadism.



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RE: Sadist - 8/16/2006 10:57:05 AM   
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It is the DSM-IV-TR that distinguishes between sexual sadism and non-sexual sadism


So, what you are saying is when I learn to pierce and tattoo, that I will have a personality disorder, because I won't always be turned on as I enjoy the art of placing metal through flesh. *rolls eyes*

Silly wabbit, tricks are for kids........

BTW looks like that DSM-IV-TR still considers sexual sadism and masochism as personality disorders 

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