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RE: losing your self - 8/11/2006 7:07:46 AM   
BillsGalSusan


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marieToo said: 
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That was very nicely stated

Thank you, marieToo.

My guess is that many of disagreements we have here (and elsewhere) are not nearly as much about who we are as they are about how we talk about our lives. I find it helpful, when I read posts from other people, to keep in mind that there are several  things going on, including:
  • what people are actually doing;
  • what doing those things mean to the people involved; and,
  • how those things are explained (and look) to others.
I bet that despite our different language use and frame of reference, my life with Bill and beth's life with Merc are more alike than different. I say this because despite the differences in how our relationships are expressed, both in language and action, the foundation  seems very much the same: respect, love, compassion, and commitment--all within a dynamic that Bill and I identify as D/s, and beth and Merc identify as M/s.

Let me give you an example from our life, without reference to Merc and beth, as I do not know any of the details of their life together.

Bill and I have been married for 35 years, and for most of that time we had unmentionables in the house. We have an evening ritual--something we do when Bill walks through the door after work--that has been a constant in our lives, at least during those periods in our life when I was the first one through the door.

Bill normally comes home between 5:30 and 6 PM. About 30 minutes before he arrives, I shower (if I have gotten dirty or sweaty since our morning shower together), change into a skirt, do my hair and apply fresh make-up. I set his after work clothes out on the bed. As he is changing, I pour him the drink of his choice and stand by it waiting for him to come into the room. Then we sit quietly and exchange the news about our day for 15 minutes or so before I ask him if he wants me to begin the final dinner preparations.

It doesn't sound nearly as dramatic, or imbued with the dynamic of our life together, as it would if I greeted him while kneeling naked at the door, but it serves the same purpose, is done with the same amount of awareness and intentionality, and is a good fit for us. It was also a good fit for us in the beginning, when we were, like other D/s couples, inventing our own version of the wheel, in the days before the 'net or the organized scene. It "worked" during the 30 years or so when there was an audience of unmentionables about, as well.

So many of the things people write about here, on CM, have to do with the way we express our natures and our relationships through external trappings like titles, upper case lower case, specific actions, submissive vs slave and dom/me vs master/mistress. I think we talk about those things mainly because they have become a kind of shorthand for concepts, beliefs and guiding principles that are really hard to explain. I believe most of these things, are symbolic, but not necessarily reliable, in terms of what they actually say about the reality of people's lives together.

Enuff already. It's time for me to roast the peppers for dinner, Bill (I mean Master) loves roasted peppers .

Another Susan





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RE: losing your self - 8/11/2006 9:37:10 AM   
raiken


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ORIGINAL: crybaby

You know, I am a live-in, so I should be serving all the time and not even have this concern, of other things making me happy, and maintaining a self-image. But, the reality is, that like my Owners, I have a life outside of serving. While I do believe it to be one of the most fulfilling aspects of my life, it is not the only. Often, I feel as though I am sitting around, waiting to be used, waiting to see how I could be of service, predicting needs and tending to orders, and that when there is nothing, I am nothing. I felt as though that was not really good for myself, and have decided that I need to still be other apsects of me, because I am not only a slave, and I do not believe that this makes me any less of a slave. If your Owners have 100% use of you all of the time, maybe I would feel differently, otherwise, I firmly believe - have other things going on.

 
Yup! Its about being a whole well rounded complete multifaceted individual enjoying everything possible that life has to offer, and not being neglectful of the other parts of "self". Only nurturing a PART of the whole can often be self destructive, and neglect is the worst form of abuse.  i don't recommend putting all the eggs in one basket, ever.

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RE: losing your self - 8/11/2006 9:40:10 AM   
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i still can't find myself

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RE: losing your self - 8/11/2006 7:38:31 PM   
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Losing myself is a huge fear of mine as well.  I am unowned, but I have an idea of where the problem comes from, at least for me.  I think that it all comes down to trust.  Trusting not only your Owner but also yourself.  My biggest problem is probably that in the past I've let people push me too far too fast, then I don't trust them (I think they're taking adantage), and then I think that I'm turning into robo-slave.

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RE: losing your self - 8/12/2006 1:48:42 PM   
babysburnin


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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ORIGINAL: babysburnin
I hope you are sooo happy. 

Somehow I don't think you are sincere.
quote:

Sometimes, I think you protest too much. 

I don't believe that! The "thinking" part I mean. We should let others challenge the validity of our feelings without comment? You're not talking about if it's better to live in LA versus NYC. You're saying that beth's and my feelings and the way what we've disclosed about our relationship is a lie. That will NEVER go unchallenged. No protest is "too much" or too strong, It should be the same for you. What does it say about you if it's not?  
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From my opinion, you always claim everything is perfect.

It is. For US it is. Come visit us. Better yet, we'll be in your neighborhood, SF for Folsom, why not meet us while we're there?
quote:

Nothing is perfect

YOU would know? Or were you looking in a mirror? For us it is.

You're suggesting that people like yourself or others should be ignored when a person honestly and opening discloses how they live and how they feel gets challenged it should be ignored? Situations like living with a husband while saying you are a "slave" to someone living in another country isn't ridiculous? Having a few "Masters" who sell you, lend you out, isn't ridiculous? Two people living together 24/7, totally committed to each other above anything else in their lives - THAT is ridiculous and unbelievable! If total commitment and dedication isn't your relationship goal, what is? Chat room romance or having a fuck buddy who likes to spank your ass every other time is easier to obtain I guess. 

There was no "protest" only explanation. How about this thought - You assume falsehood because you see it in yourself and your relationship. That's my assumption. Here are more.Your so self centered and egotistic you can't imagine the selflessness of giving all to another or someone giving it all to you. You never can trust someone completely because you've held back some part of you in the anticipation of failure. You place work, family, hobbies, personal preference, above, or at least on the same level of your relationship, making your relationship just another obligation and 'thing to do' as opposed to the priority in your life. Because you can't do these things I feel sorry that you'll never feel how we do every day.

We're right here. Doubt we are as we say? You are welcome to come and visit and see for yourself.


I think wires got crossed.  I am sooo much NOT like any of the above described scenarios.  I meant to say, simply, that nothing is perfect.  You obviously have a great relationship.  It would be helpful to those of us who also have great relationships, to hear what, if any, things come up.  I can't relate to the drama of many posts.  I was in no way challenging you guys ... Quite the opposite ...

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RE: losing your self - 8/13/2006 12:30:39 AM   
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The point about making a bed for the 3000 time, yeah, if that's all it is, its gonna pale quickly.
I worried about losing myself when i first became a sub. What about all those opinions i hold? Arent they important too? That sorta stuff.
To some extent, there is a part of me 'postponed' shall we say. The flambouyant female, where the fuck did she go? In the wings, That's where.
But that is due to me not feeling comfortable to display that oh so unsubmissive creature, to my Dom. Not required.
But she's still there. Still inside me. She still talks me through difficult situations. Interviews for instance, where sub is not required.
And the little glimpses i do show my Dom? He actually likes her it seems. Who'd of figured eh?
So we live, we learn, we grow.
The actual speaking in the 3rd person losing of self. I dont get why anyone would wish to do this to another. But there sure are a lot of folks who do. And that's great for them.
His personality is just not big enough to swallow mine whole. Nor would he want to. I guess it pays to check how much control you both want at the beginning. And re-negotiate as levels of relationship are obtained.
So far at least, ive not 'lost' any of me. I am me, to the core, bdsm, D/s doesnt change that one little jot.

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RE: losing your self - 8/18/2006 11:46:31 AM   
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From my personal experience... the essence of what was once my "self" has been redefined. i continue to grow, love, serve, learn.  i thrive in ways i never knew were possible before completely surrendering. It is not for everyone to be so dependant, and it is not for everyone to Master so completely... but it is no one's place to judge.

To answer the leading question.... i had to lose myself in order to be redefined by His happiness. i found His happiness is infinately more fulfilling. :D

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RE: losing your self - 8/18/2006 5:29:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cheshireboy

there comes a time when i think as a submissive you end up where all you want to do is to please your owner...and that is what makes you happy...so you have the chance to loose yourself in that and become totally reactive...then how do you keep your self image and have other things that keep you happy besides serving?
 
cheshire


Being my best for him.  That means I keep growing as a person.  Learning, reaching out, finding new interests.  But all of it is because I am his. 

Daniel's heart

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