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WhipTheHip -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/21/2006 6:42:09 PM)
I want to start a new relgion just based on loving-kindness, compassion, empathy, understanding, altruism, helping humans in need, helping the poor, helping the mentally ill, helping the orphan, the widow, and the disabled. I want to start a new religion based on sharing and mutual caring. A religion that rewards people who are accepting, tolerant and giving. How would the world be different if we all had this religion.

justheather -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/21/2006 6:42:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip I was once a biblical scholar and can answer all bible questions. But there is not point since the bible is not true. Right. Just like most theatre scholars will admit that while they have extensive knowledge of, oh, say, the works of Shakespeare, they see no point in talking about themes presented in Macbeth because, well, it's all made up stuff.

WhipTheHip -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/21/2006 7:25:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: justheather Right. Just like most theatre scholars will admit that while they have extensive knowledge of, oh, say, the works of Shakespeare, they see no point in talking about themes presented in Macbeth because, well, it's all made up stuff. Shhh! You not supposed to tell anyone that.

mnottertail -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/21/2006 7:29:40 PM)
Aumlach,(scandinavian) or Camlach(arthurian) or as it is written Hamlet, was as real as you or me, granted; dead as Julius Caesar, but real; nonetheless......... Ron

justheather -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/21/2006 7:31:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Aumlach,(scandinavian) or Camlach(arthurian) or as it is written Hamlet, was as real as you or me, granted; dead as Julius Caesar, but real; nonetheless......... Ron (Don't tell anybody, but I was being sarcastic...)

WhiplashGirlChld -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/21/2006 7:36:31 PM)
quote: Second paragraph - my comment was aimed at the church as an institution When you say you have made no blanket statements, perhaps you don't see the sentence above as I do. You are speaking about "The Church", and while there are some specific tenets that seem to be common to all or most Christian sects, the actual practice of Christianity is wildly divergent, from sect to sect, from country to country, etc. It's important to note, because even what "it means to be a Christian" is somewhat debatable. One would like to think there is a core group of shared beliefs - but it's pretty easy for me to see people who SAY they believe something, but prove the do not by the way they behave.

mnottertail -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/21/2006 7:39:07 PM)
Well, in keeping with historical accuracies, pretty grey sarcasm notwithstanding (and there is no one else in the world I would want to be scarcased by...how about any of the rest of you guys?) there was a Yeshua ha Notzri, (having perused the Midrash, the Quabballah and the Torah) and seems he was a minor rabbi (meaning teacher, yes but also the requirement he was married, shall we agree on Magdelena? during that time in that place) The rest, of course; is shakespeare........... Ron

juliaoceania -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/21/2006 7:46:04 PM)
To the OP, this sounds like every theory I studied in Theory of Religion course for upper division anthropology credit. Everything from Evan-Pritchard to Taylor to Durkiem. I was wondering what you think of Eric Wolf? I have always enjoyed his theories. I hope I am not changing the subject too much.

gooddogbenji -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/21/2006 7:55:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip I want to start a new relgion just based on loving-kindness, compassion, empathy, understanding, altruism, helping humans in need, helping the poor, helping the mentally ill, helping the orphan, the widow, and the disabled. I want to start a new religion based on sharing and mutual caring. A religion that rewards people who are accepting, tolerant and giving. How would the world be different if we all had this religion. Sounds like Christianity, 2000 years ago, without the charismatic leader. And how the world would be different? For one, we obviously would have no freedom of religion. For another, I don't think we'd get very far if we were all oh so compassionate. I know quite a few compassionate people, and while they're great at what they do, most of them admit on their own that they could never manage a business. It takes people who can fire someone, who can make tough decisions, not lovey-dovey do gooders. Not saying there never has been a good manager of that sort, but the ones I know openly admit they couldn't do it. Yours, benji

anthrosub -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/21/2006 8:25:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania To the OP, this sounds like every theory I studied in Theory of Religion course for upper division anthropology credit. Everything from Evan-Pritchard to Taylor to Durkiem. I was wondering what you think of Eric Wolf? I have always enjoyed his theories. I hope I am not changing the subject too much. Ah...an enthusiast! LOL Sorry, I just had to say that. Are you also a student of anthropology or already have a degree? To answer your question, I have not read Wolf but will check him out now that you've mentioned him. Would you suggest any particular works by him? Thanks anthrosub

bikerslave -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/21/2006 8:56:17 PM)
I am new here and this is my first post. I am happy to read your thoughts and opinions - I have been busy for the last few days, reading all sorts of interesting and controversial material. There is something I would like to ask which I feel is relevant to this post. First, I will tell you that I am living a very traditional life... hard working straight hubby, 2 great kids.... upper class, suburban lifestyle, with only the most traditional of sexual practices (sigh). Jewish by birth. I consider myself to be very spiritual. I have recently been bat mitzvah'd as I had not been actively involved in religion as a child. Anyway..... as my profile suggests, I think I have just discovered the roots of my life-long, low level unrest, and I am learing more about my submissive side. I am having a hard time making peace with where exactly my spiritual and religious beliefs can fit into a lifestyle such as D/s/M/s. Forgive my total ignorance, and I sincerely hope that I dont offend anyone here, but when I read through some profiles, I sense a dark side to some. I dont say this in judgement, as I truely believe the addage "to thine own self be true!" I say 'dark side', as that is simply how it strikes me. I would be really interested to know if there are any people living this lifestyle in realtime... who are involved in a religious community, other than wicca and paganism. I would also be most happy to discuss this one on one with anyone who might be interested. Thank you all for taking the time to read my post. BS (my initials, hopefully not my comment :)

mnottertail -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/21/2006 9:04:31 PM)
Actually there is a fair representation of jewry out here.....they are not flamboyant or anything, but perhaps there is a dark side to us all. I find no dischord in anyones Judaism and a desire for a woman to be pleasing to a man.....perhaps you would like to elucidate? Do you see a disconnect or is there some resolution to human conditions you would like to address? Sincerely, Ron

gooddogbenji -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/21/2006 9:19:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Actually there is a fair representation of jewry out here.....they are not flamboyant or anything, but perhaps there is a dark side to us all. I find no dischord in anyones Judaism and a desire for a woman to be pleasing to a man.....perhaps you would like to elucidate? Do you see a disconnect or is there some resolution to human conditions you would like to address? Sincerely, Ron Hey, I'm jewish and a sub, no problem there.... Then again, last Saturday at work I ate a ham & shrimp omelette with a glass of milk. Yours, benji

SavageFaerie -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/21/2006 9:47:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji I know quite a few compassionate people, and while they're great at what they do, most of them admit on their own that they could never manage a business. It takes people who can fire someone, who can make tough decisions, not lovey-dovey do gooders. Not saying there never has been a good manager of that sort, but the ones I know openly admit they couldn't do it. You little pissy puppy, where is your sarcasm here? did I miss your joke? I love it when your dead on. Acompassionate person that can be good deed doers, dont have time to manage it in a business like way....then....comes the rules and where is the money coming from. The whole idea is doomed before that perfect church gets off the ground. cuz good deed doers.....just for the most part dont have the strong A type personality to get things done......they just simply well.......do.

SavageFaerie -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/21/2006 10:01:55 PM)
biker as with the vanilla word, there is just as vast differences in religions, how spiritual we are, and how we can make ourselves be comfortable within this lifestyle. I have stated my views throughout this thread, as I have a keen interest in it as well, since I do consider myself a Christian with half bent faith, before 2002 I was pagan. But I am solid in what and how I handle my spirituality. I cannot speak regarding your Jewish faith, although I am informed, heck I say oy veh all the time, having lived with friends that had been around the Jewish faith. I know alot of the traditions. But think on this, there is the messianic Jewish faith, so even Jewish people adapt. Find your spiritual plane...then set it on coast....life within and outside this style of living may well fall into place and as you change your altitude is likely to move where it needs to be. Hope this helps

SavageFaerie -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/21/2006 10:57:12 PM)
btw biker welcome to the forums. You sure jumped in the middle of an interesting topic., for your first post.

juliaoceania -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/21/2006 11:02:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: anthrosub quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania To the OP, this sounds like every theory I studied in Theory of Religion course for upper division anthropology credit. Everything from Evan-Pritchard to Taylor to Durkiem. I was wondering what you think of Eric Wolf? I have always enjoyed his theories. I hope I am not changing the subject too much. Ah...an enthusiast! LOL Sorry, I just had to say that. Are you also a student of anthropology or already have a degree? To answer your question, I have not read Wolf but will check him out now that you've mentioned him. Would you suggest any particular works by him? Thanks anthrosub Yes, Europe, a People Without a History had some interesting materialist views of expansion into the New Wold, and yes I have a BA in anthropology, but I am beginning to forget everything I learned and I need to exercise my memories. I am going to be applying to graduate school in Southern California this fall.

bikerslave -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/21/2006 11:24:00 PM)
Thanks everyone for your comments and encouragement. And thank you SavageFaerie for your kind welcome. I am trying to figure out how to reply to an individual post, however I think my hairdresser may have used too much peroxide yesterday!! :) So I will have to adress you all here. Ron (if I may call you that)... you got me thinking, and, no there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with a woman wanting to please her man. After some introspection, I think whats happening here is that I am grappling with guilt, as I believe that my Higher Power would not approve of me going outside my marriage, no matter what the reason. And this is nothing that anyone can help me come to terms with, but me:) I got a lot of work cut out for me... but, as I read all the posts, and learn more each day.. I wouldnt change this path I'm on for love nor money. And benji...... . well, to suck the marrow out of the little bone in a nice juicy ham steak is to die a happy woman ::)) Thanks again, everyone... BS

twicehappy -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/22/2006 5:23:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji quote: ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip I want to start a new relgion just based on loving-kindness, compassion, empathy, understanding, altruism, helping humans in need, helping the poor, helping the mentally ill, helping the orphan, the widow, and the disabled. I want to start a new religion based on sharing and mutual caring. A religion that rewards people who are accepting, tolerant and giving. How would the world be different if we all had this religion. Sounds like Christianity, 2000 years ago, without the charismatic leader. Probably a good thing as all of these "new" religions had charismatic leaders and they also made the FBI'S list of top ten most dangerous new religions of this century. Destructive doomsday cults: Homicides directed against the public: Aum Shinri Kyo The Family (Charles Manson) Suicides or homicides of their own members: Branch Davidians Heaven's Gate Jeffrey Lundgren Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God (Uganda) The People's Temple (Jim Jones) Solar Temple Religious groups with the possible potential to be destructive: Concerned Christians House of Yahweh As to the rest of your post my perveted pup i do agree, compassion is wonderful but someone needs to be able to make the tough calls.

WhipTheHip -> RE: The Bible and Common Sense (8/22/2006 5:32:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhiplashGirlChld quote: Second paragraph - my comment was aimed at the church as an institution When you say you have made no blanket statements, perhaps you don't see the sentence above as I do. You are speaking about "The Church", and while there are some specific tenets that seem to be common to all or most Christian sects, the actual practice of Christianity is wildly divergent, from sect to sect, from country to country, etc. It's important to note, because even what "it means to be a Christian" is somewhat debatable. One would like to think there is a core group of shared beliefs - but it's pretty easy for me to see people who SAY they believe something, but prove the do not by the way they behave. When people talk about "The Church," they mean the Roman Catholic Church which controlled the history of Christianity for 1,500 years.

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