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LotusSong -> WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 2:50:35 PM)

What is all this about the gay community outing who they think are gay celebrities??

WHO cares?????  Why does outing them have to be such an "in your face" thing?
Aren't we supposed to like the PERSON regrdless of sexuality?  I mean.. do I really need to know if  Tom Cruise or Oprah is GAY? 
Is the gay community that hard up for a hero? 
Are we supposed to like person BECAUSE they are Gay?

I say.. let them be who they are.  If that means they want to stay in a closet..let them.  If they are out and about.. bless them!  But damn.. it's getting obnoxious.

If I WERE a gay celebrity, I wouldn't want those types riding on my coattails.

Sorry, I needed to vent that...




LotusSong -> RE: WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 2:54:31 PM)

(hit a wrong key.. this isn't supposed to be an additional post) 



Level -> RE: WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 3:02:36 PM)

Lotus, it sounds like the militant arm of the gay community; I think they are fucking idiots for doing it, it's none of their business.



nefertari -> RE: WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 3:08:41 PM)

While I don't necessarily agree with the methods, I think it's done to give a face to the cause.  For example, when a celebrity is diagnosed with bipolar disorder, it helps to take away the stigma and broaden awareness.



WyrdRich -> RE: WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 3:09:45 PM)

       The argument they seem to use in defense of such activity is that any gay who remains closeted is somehow a traitor to their sexuality and by not being open about it, hurt the community at large.  It sounds like Pink Fascism to me, but that's how I've heard it argued.

    



Level -> RE: WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 3:15:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: nefertari

While I don't necessarily agree with the methods, I think it's done to give a face to the cause.  For example, when a celebrity is diagnosed with bipolar disorder, it helps to take away the stigma and broaden awareness.


That's true, nefertari, but they don't have that right to interject themselves into someone else's life in that way.



FangsNfeet -> RE: WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 3:21:13 PM)

When it comes to celebrities, I never care much for there personal life. I figure you have to be a little crazy to be famous. After all, normal advice from others is usually to attend school, graduate, get a job, settle down, and be happy. That's what most of us normal people do.

Anyhow, celebritites have become role models for some. If your out trying to promote your beliefs or feel there's not equality, then it feels good when a celebrity speaks up for you. After all, most people know the celebrity. When celebrities make films/music about you, its controversy has been known to help with acceptance or atleast getting your views out to open the eyes of the closed minded.

Not everyone needs a leader, but a hero or a supporter can go a long way when you're fighting for the same cause and may be in need of financial campaining as well.



sleazybutterfly -> RE: WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 3:24:42 PM)

I don't think or really care what celebrities do, myself.  I do think it's nice to have someone to relate to about things though, someone that might know your same personal struggles.  These people are out there and by them coming out, it does sort of "give a face" to a cause or a belief.  I don't think anyone should be forced out, a personal life is just that, personal. 


~Andrea



Daddy4UdderSlut -> RE: WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 3:25:24 PM)

Not much to say - I agree completely.



krikket -> RE: WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 3:36:03 PM)

In lots of ways i think this goes back centuries -- was one of the things the early settlers to America seemed to "agree" on.  Sex only served one purpose, to make a larger colony and make more people to pay taxes..lol.. Sex outside of marriage, or even inside marriage just for the hell of it just "wasn't done". (The Scarlett Letter comes to mind here.) That kind of thinking still goes on today in some places.  So, it stands to reason that if regular sex was bad, anything out of the "Norm" was worse.  (i've often wondered if, in secret, some of those fellows back then used the stocks for more than public humiliation and punishment..lol) 

Even now, anyone who "goes astray" is suspect, should be kept hidden, and for heavens sakes don't talk about it.  sheesh, i'd love to tell "those" people to get a life!!!  While i don't always want to know someone's sexual history, i can understand a person's needs to say..hey, look at me..i'm different, but still "normal".  I have no doubt that there are many of us here on CM who are still in the D/s or BDSM closet to our family and friends.  Personally i have no desire to enlighten anyone in my family, cuz it's none of their business (and i really don't wanna know their's either..lol)  One of the reasons i come here to CM is i know it's a place where it's safe to be myself, that my views, even if their different, don't make me a freak.

Back to the OP's question, however...lol. Imho, it's not that i need to know, it's that they need to tell, to know the same kind of support we know here, to be that there are others who support their life's choices and needs, and to know that they're "normal"...well....whatever normal is for us...lol

Peace and love
jimini



popeye1250 -> RE: WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 4:37:35 PM)

I couldn't care less what they do in "Hollywood."



MistressLorelei -> RE: WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 6:38:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WyrdRich

      The argument they seem to use in defense of such activity is that any gay who remains closeted is somehow a traitor to their sexuality and by not being open about it, hurt the community at large.  It sounds like Pink Fascism to me, but that's how I've heard it argued.

   


This is a comment on the quoted comment, but not really directed at the person whose comment I quoted.   lol


That's kind of funny... a traitor to their sexuality?   I am straight, and don't run around announcing to the world "I'M STRAIGHT...  I'm not a lesbian"   Actually, I guess people just assume I'm straight, and I have never had to tell anyone whether I am straight, or not (except on my CM profile).  So perhaps I am a traitor to my sexuality... till now... cause I'm coming out:   Hey, everyone, I'm straight!!!

I hope the militant gay crowd realizes that people should be as allowed to hide their sexuality, as much as they should be allowed to express it.  Some will come out, some won't... and it's all fine by me.



SirKenin -> RE: WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 6:44:20 PM)

Personally?  I do not give a shit who is gay and who is not.  If I wanted to know I would have asked them.  I have no respect for this "in your face" mentality at all.  Let them be who they want to be, but for pete's sake, mind your own damn business.  I do not need to know that you are gay, and I do not need some twit telling Me someone else is gay.  Keep it to yourself.



nefertari -> RE: WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 6:44:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

quote:

ORIGINAL: nefertari

While I don't necessarily agree with the methods, I think it's done to give a face to the cause.  For example, when a celebrity is diagnosed with bipolar disorder, it helps to take away the stigma and broaden awareness.


That's true, nefertari, but they don't have that right to interject themselves into someone else's life in that way.


I agree, Level.  I don't agree with the methods.  It would work much better if the celebrity came out on his/her own.  Their method only detracts from the cause, I think.  I was just explaining why I think they would want to.

As an aside - I really don't care about celebrities personal life either. My life isn't near boring enough to want to get involved with what someone else is doing.   But it is good for whatever cause when a celebrity goes public with an illness, lifestyle, whatever.  Which is sad, too.  Millions of people can suffer with an illness, but research funding jumps hugely when a single celebrity suffers from it.



Estring -> RE: WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 7:00:55 PM)

I thought someone's sexuality shouldn't matter? It shouldn't unless you have an agenda as the gay militants do. Then the agenda supercedes all else. Even people's privacy.



LotusSong -> RE: WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 7:03:46 PM)

I'm all for people having a cause, but don't drag someone into it without their permission.  They have made their own way. They got where they are because of who they are inside and by their own smarts and ingenuity REGARDLESS of what sexuality they are.

Who you boink at night holds no bearing for me.  It doesn't make you better or worse. 

Cramming it down my neck.. just pisses me off no matter WHAT sexuality you are... and for that I WILL think less of a person.

Stand on your own two feet.



MistressLorelei -> RE: WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 7:08:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: nefertari

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I agree, Level.  I don't agree with the methods.  It would work much better if the celebrity came out on his/her own.  Their method only detracts from the cause, I think.  I was just explaining why I think they would want to.

As an aside - I really don't care about celebrities personal life either. My life isn't near boring enough to want to get involved with what someone else is doing.   But it is good for whatever cause when a celebrity goes public with an illness, lifestyle, whatever.  Which is sad, too.  Millions of people can suffer with an illness, but research funding jumps hugely when a single celebrity suffers from it.



I think it would also depend on the celebrity.... If George Bush came out as a homosexual, it might do the homosexual community more harm than good.

If I became famous tomorrow, I would not expect that my personal business would be the business of anyone else's.

I do see that celebrity spokespeople for causes of all kinds do often help spread the word, generate funding, etc..... but, certainly celebrities shouldn't be expected to have to support any cause.  Some will want to, and do, and others choose to keep their personal business personal.

I would think those who continue to fight for their own rights, would want others to maintain their rights as well....  the hypocritical cycle never ends.



mnottertail -> RE: WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 7:32:05 PM)

I will volunteer to be a gay celebrity if you pay me.

I mean it is rather beneath observation, such a thing, isn't it?

Ron



MistressLorelei -> RE: WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 7:35:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I will volunteer to be a gay celebrity if you pay me.

I mean it is rather beneath observation, such a thing, isn't it?

Ron



Silly!  Then you would be a traitor to your sexuality... and that's what the  problem is to begin with.... try again.



mnottertail -> RE: WHY do we need to know??? (8/20/2006 7:41:11 PM)

You say traitor to my sexuality, I say a trader of currency........I would be ok with that in acceptable sums.

I guess my  second sentence didn't catch on at all.  I mean , a celebretys  sexuality is kind about like knowing about  john doe's sexuality...people fuck, that ain't nothing too spectacular or out of the ordinary.  I would think more people would want to know what kind of shoes they wear.......

Ron



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