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RE: Do slaves have the right to say no? - 10/1/2006 4:01:23 PM

Amaros

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ORIGINAL: Msenslave

clearly this couple know very little about each other! wether D/sub or slave; before entering into any commitment individuals need to know one another well before submission or slavery is given and dommination accepted. It has very little to do with the definition of consensual even 'consensual slavery' (which in itself is an oxymoron!)When both know that the other can meet their expectations as Dom or sub or slave this is the time to impose boundaries and only then can a slave decide that this is the individual they would be happy to never say no to!

I would have to agree that it's taking a big risk to become a slave to someone that you don't know, particularly when you yourself have little experience with BDSM in general, I would suggest making more provisional arrangments in these cases.

Lot's of people have theories and fantasies about dominance and submission, but there is a huge difference between theory and practice.

I'm a little worried about anybody that would jump right in without getting their feet wet first. I'd hate to see wiiwd getting a deservedly bad reputation along with the undeserved one, it's gonna be very bad for recruitment.

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RE: Do slaves have the right to say no? - 10/1/2006 4:04:07 PM

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I am sorry but I disagree completely with you. Just because you are a slave does not mean you should be harmed physically any more than a sub would be harmed. A slave has even less ability to protect him/herself and so their only recourse is to say "no stop" if a Master decides to become abusive. As to why do you allow this to happen most newbies do not know they can say NO to a Master.

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RE: Do slaves have the right to say no? - 10/1/2006 7:31:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kaledorus

Unless a woman has a burning need to relinquish all control over her life to a man then she is much better off being a subbie. A slave is property, has no power over her fate. A subbie can have all sorts of boundaries and so forth that the dom cannot intrude upon, in fact the subbie can control the situation at her whim. For many women that is all they want, all they can handle. Good for them. However some women have, at their core, a desire, a need, to be totally, utterly owned by a man and for them the idea of having ANY control in the relationship is absolutely NOT what they want.

With all respect Sir this isnt really all that its about its more about does she have a right to protect herself!!! While she asks if she has the right to say no what the real question here is does a slave have a right to protect herself... and the answer is YES not only the right but the responsability to portect herself and if protecting herself means saying no to something then I guess yes slaves have a right to say no.

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RE: Do slaves have the right to say no? - 10/1/2006 7:58:14 PM

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Dear Ladies and Gentlemen;

In my salad days in the scene, the first thing the senior Master told me, was that the number one rule for all slaves was, to protect themselves from harm--even from their Master(s)/Owners. The Masters have the same number one rule, to protect themselves from harm from their slave(s).

Harm or injury, not only addressed the physical but, the spiritual, the emotional, the mental realms also. No exception. Humiliation was not tolerated outside of a role play scene period in those days of mine. I do not participate in such as a practice.

As for the right for a slave to say no, it is indeed a right. However, by saying no, the slave would be advised of the consquences. There was a way of saying no to a Master, without challenge of the Master's authority. It was a phrase used in my time; "Not if it pleases you, [Insert title]" The Master had a choice to treat it as a "no" and change course or continue. Most Masters, and I personally treat this way of saying no, as more of a 'no, I'm not ready' rather than a planting all four stubborn feet down and refuse.

Masters need to understand, that patience has rewards. By letting slaves set the needed supports through their Master, the trigger being "Not if it pleases you." If I have a slave say this, I move more gentle, kinder and more patient. Their slave heart wants to obey but, their logicial, mental/emotional mind struggles or fears what is to come. As a Master, I owe it to that slave to work with them, beside them, support them over this struggle, so the next time I command such obedience, they can gladly say, "Sir, Yes Sir!" I will not allow them to avoid something. I will just guide them how to face it head on. It can only enhance the trust factor.

As I identify as a Master/Mistress/Dominant; it is my duty and also my honor, to listen to my slaves. At times, they have more wisdom then I and their advice is extremely welcome.

One thing, out of many things learned as a Master/Mistress/Dominant; is that if I can help my slave be a better slave, in turn by being a better slave, I then can become a better Master. When I am a better Master to them, the more returns I get from the investment. I will expect I will hear 'no' occassionally but, in these words--"Not if it pleases you Master/Mistress/Dominant/SIR and or your favorite title."

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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