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Meditation has valid uses in self-awareness and growth.

I quite agree.  But does it require a girl's hands to be useless and for her to be tied with a 2 foot chain to accomplish that?  Being locked in a cage or closet would also work.  So would being shunned to a corner of the room. 

It appears the point of this thread is changing, unless I am misunderstanding.  The original question was what to do if unable to use hands, added to include being tethered to a 2 foot chain. The scenario has completely changed, which creates a different outcome...doesn't it?

I agree with girlie. I dont think that being mittened is the only way to reach or learn meditation.

I think thats why I am becoming confused as well, because the scenario is altering and I see different outcomes and training.

 

Peace and Rapture

I think this is what happens in many cases when the Master changes the direction and goal without properly communicating  - the slave becomes confused and has trouble meeting his requirements.  If he is not careful, she could be unintentionally set up to fail.

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I have an extremely active and adaptive mind, and will often see where a 'flow' will lead. If you can do this, it creates an immense base of personal power. Your perceptions broaden, and more tools come into your hands. And with these tools, one can create yet others.

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In this scenario a dependency is created, and an intimacy, along with it. Things taken for granted are cast into stark releif.

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I have an extremely active and adaptive mind, and will often see where a 'flow' will lead. If you can do this, it creates an immense base of personal power. Your perceptions broaden, and more tools come into your hands. And with these tools, one can create yet others.

It is always good for a slave to be able to change and go with the flow of her Master.  I think the confusion in this thread occurs when a girl tries to meet the desired outcome, yet the desired outcome appears to be changing.  Therefore, clarification was requested.

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In this scenario a dependency is created, and an intimacy, along with it. Things taken for granted are cast into stark releif.

Would you agree that a slave should be dependent on her Master?  He then becomes her focus and her purpose.  In doing so, he is pleased and she reaches peaceful contentment in knowing he is satisfied.

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There may be days that I am simply in a crappy mood, and need to work it out on my own. I'm male, and I tend to be stubborn about needing my space-when I need it. When I need alone time, don't screw with me. So "little mary sunshine" waltzing in to "fix" me in these times, will not be well received. Nor will her undergoing an emotional implosion on being told so, help to lighten my stress levels.

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I do not require intent to be guessed. I communicate as I go. Neither do I expect a slave to be so ignorant or rigid in mindset that she cannot use logic and intuition to follow my lead. Yes, it's a test of ability.

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A dependency should not supercede a girl's need to see to herself. Simply bleeding into another indivual is no real way to increase both in potential. It's more a parasitism than a symbiosis.

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There may be days that I am simply in a crappy mood, and need to work it out on my own. I'm male, and I tend to be stubborn about needing my space-when I need it. When I need alone time, don't screw with me. So "little mary sunshine" waltzing in to "fix" me in these times, will not be well received. Nor will her undergoing an emotional implosion on being told so, help to lighten my stress levels.

Seems to involve unnecessary stress on everyone. If he's in a bad mood and wants to be left alone, all he has to do is tell me. I probably will still bring his tea and cook his dinner, but that's because it's SOP around here. So if he didn't want even that, he would need to tell me.

But I can't see any purpose in all this. Plus in my relationship, he would not chain me to a wall and abandon me for hours on end. Against his principles. Therefore the situation you've set up, in my relationship, would involve him providing constant service to me.

Nothing in the op specified all the other stuff you've added. Basically, I wouldn't be with someone who's so passive aggressive that he couldn't even say "I'm in a bad mood, better not try to talk to me until I feel better.

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A dependency should not supercede a girl's need to see to herself. Simply bleeding into another indivual is no real way to increase both in potential. It's more a parasitism than a symbiosis.

That wasn't my point.  You are assuming the worst again.  I said nothing about bleeding into anyone.  You mentioned dependency and I asked about her focus to provide him satisfaction.  That has nothing to do with being a parasite. 

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Imagine you as a sub, are kept in locking bondage mittens for a day. Thickly padded totally losing the use of your fingers and thumb. The Top would be around- how do you think it would play out?

You cannot do anything by yourself, even open a closed door.

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on fast reply, i don't see the issue with this, unless it turns out to be that i am actually just lazy.   but i dont have this huge urge to be DOING..   i'm rather like a  companion slave.  Just interacting, being His company, "co-loafing" has much appeal. 

i love to be asked for a drink or refill, i love having it ready before asked too, but i'm also quite content to be standing at the counter chatting, and see Him refill my cup as W/we chat. i might remark "Oh, i should have gotten that" but W/we B/both know, if it had been more important than the discussion, i'd have been told so.

also, mitts.. does this preclude stroking and touching if allowed?  Elbows and forearms can give great massages, as can feet. Much slave attn is given without the benefit of hands anyway, facial nuzzling while kneeling with hands behind.. i think if we truly think of when we're interacting at our highest levels, we aren't Doing, but Being, and it's a whole-skin thing more than "Hands-on".

This might not be popular view, but i know that one of the things i do best is feed Masters or HusDoms need or enjoyment of teaching.  i can lay at either of Their feet, close my eyes, and just listen as He teaches thru stories, recounting life events, discusses business or hobby plans,  i feel like a big sponge, and it's a pleasure for me, especially because it lights the fire in His eyes to have an audience with a critical ear and active, not passive, listening.

The trade off.. yes.  i'd have to pee.  and that would only mess with my mind if i wasn't already in the midset of the captive.

All in favor of more "co-loafing" raise your hands (even you with mitts).

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I would urge you strongly to not doubt your submission, certainly not because of health or physical limitations. Serve with your heart and your mind, please as well as you are able, and I cannot imagine a dominant not being pleased with you, jimini.

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I do not want a servant to serve for an attention reward. I will give attention when, and how I see fit to..Not because she is hovering about, trolling for it.. I desire service to be unobtrusive, and competently handled. I give praise sparingly, and for feats above and beyond the pale. The rest I acknowledge as well done, on any particular day.

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Meditation has valid uses in self-awareness and growth.

I quite agree.  But does it require a girl's hands to be useless and for her to be tied with a 2 foot chain to accomplish that?  Being locked in a cage or closet would also work.  So would being shunned to a corner of the room. 

It appears the point of this thread is changing, unless I am misunderstanding.  The original question was what to do if unable to use hands, added to include being tethered to a 2 foot chain. The scenario has completely changed, which creates a different outcome...doesn't it?

I agree with girlie. I dont think that being mittened is the only way to reach or learn meditation.

I think thats why I am becoming confused as well, because the scenario is altering and I see different outcomes and training.

 

Peace and Rapture

This scenario can lead in many different directions, just like individuals. I have been accused many times here of being rigid - I am anything but. I have an extremely active and adaptive mind, and will often see where a 'flow' will lead. If you can do this, it creates an immense base of personal power. Your perceptions broaden, and more tools come into your hands. And with these tools, one can create yet others.

In this scenario a dependency is created, and an intimacy, along with it. Things taken for granted are cast into stark releif.

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Meditation has valid uses in self-awareness and growth.

I quite agree.  But does it require a girl's hands to be useless and for her to be tied with a 2 foot chain to accomplish that?  Being locked in a cage or closet would also work.  So would being shunned to a corner of the room. 

It appears the point of this thread is changing, unless I am misunderstanding.  The original question was what to do if unable to use hands, added to include being tethered to a 2 foot chain. The scenario has completely changed, which creates a different outcome...doesn't it?

I agree with girlie. I dont think that being mittened is the only way to reach or learn meditation.

I think thats why I am becoming confused as well, because the scenario is altering and I see different outcomes and training.

 

Peace and Rapture

This scenario can lead in many different directions, just like individuals. I have been accused many times here of being rigid - I am anything but. I have an extremely active and adaptive mind, and will often see where a 'flow' will lead. If you can do this, it creates an immense base of personal power. Your perceptions broaden, and more tools come into your hands. And with these tools, one can create yet others.

In this scenario a dependency is created, and an intimacy, along with it. Things taken for granted are cast into stark releif.

Oh I understand.  But what is becoming confusing is that this never started out as a scene that progressed.  Yes, any scene adapts... but people arent responding to the adaptations... there are too many mixed messages coming in here which is bad communication.  Any scene develops - but in a situation like this - on a message board the lesson is being lost.

 

You mention to girlie that you constantly communicate as you go.  But in this thread, its being lost.

The thread as it began is different to how its evolved - both equal different scenarios.  Both have different lessons.

 

Peace and Rapture

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on fast reply, i don't see the issue with this, unless it turns out to be that i am actually just lazy.   but i dont have this huge urge to be DOING..   i'm rather like a  companion slave.  Just interacting, being His company, "co-loafing" has much appeal. 

i love to be asked for a drink or refill, i love having it ready before asked too, but i'm also quite content to be standing at the counter chatting, and see Him refill my cup as W/we chat. i might remark "Oh, i should have gotten that" but W/we B/both know, if it had been more important than the discussion, i'd have been told so.  /quote]

<turns her back on Homey and refuses to bother him any longer...but continues to the rest of the 'audience':  ...>
 
I agree with others here; should 'he' wish to be left along, all he has to do is say so.  While I can 'anticipate' his needs, I cannot read his mind.  I'm happy to leave him to his druthers...
 
make sense?
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