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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:47:36 PM

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The only place I think that no limit slaves exists are in the pages of books. every one has soemthing they wouldn't do. Regardless of role or place in the lifestyle. they may be the things never spoken about between the said party, but the still exist.

They don't just exist in books.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/5/2006 12:39:46 AM

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marie: Chocolate covered spiders? Only if, in your case, the Master was employing "artful methodology" to enslave you. LOL.

- and if you hated spiders, perhaps not much empathy - for your distaste of them, anyway. Unless of course, you, or he, really liked them I guess (and some people do like chocolate-covered ants - really).
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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/5/2006 1:18:59 AM

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Where did logic and common sense go?

Would you eat ants or spiders? Just because you think that these are revolting to eat, some people in the world eat these items and like them (or eat them to just stay alive). None of them will really hurt you (well, it may hurt some psychologically), but because you don't do it daily, you think it is odd to the point of sickening.

Just becasue someone else says "No Limits" and they mean it, doesn't mean that you should judge them with your moral code. It won't work. It may be that they trust their Master so much, that they know that he will go to all means to keep them truly safe... although he may make them eat spiders occasionally.

Now, would these spiders be rolled in toasted coconut and drizzled with dark chocolate by any chance?

LOL marie - my kinda gal. Dark chocolate over milk chocolate any day!

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/5/2006 1:23:36 AM

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greetings dvampire

i agree with you many slave are taking the no limits to get postion that they others wise would not get. i think that having no limits no a slave is dangerous what if that slave run into monsterous yes all of us have known and heard of horror stories of a master or dom/me has a loose screw and really hurt this person not in love but in wanting just to hurt it is not write for a slave who will do anything to be accepted. i had some who write me and have not one limit nothing is wrong all is ok i want someone who will grow with me none of this crazy no limit life has limit and i want my slave to know there are limits with me

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/5/2006 7:03:13 AM

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marie: Chocolate covered spiders? Only if, in your case, the Master was employing "artful methodology" to enslave you. LOL. - and if you hated spiders, perhaps not much empathy - for your distaste of them, anyway. Unless of course, you, or he, really liked them I guess (and some people do like chocolate-covered ants - really).
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lol. you really do pay attention around here dont you??

In all seriousness, when the spider thing was brought up, I was thinking....oh god, how could I ever do that. And Im not saying Im sure I could. But I can attest to the fact, that there has been a Master or two who had me doing things that I wouldve died believing were "hard limits". Honestly, in all the talk about slaves having limits...My answers is this..."How good is the Master"?

Food for thought about being in a "frame of mind" and the power it could have. (this is merely a general example).

Someone dares you to eat a spider, would you do it?

But what if a loved ones life was (somehow hypothetically) dependant on eating that spider? Would you reconsider it then?

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/5/2006 7:25:42 AM

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Unless you experience a "no-limits" relationship you'll never believe it exists, but it does. The problem with proving it is that proof isn't possible. You'll get a challenge to make your slave do something to prove it, or the slave will be asked ridiculous "what if" questions and the self righteous will be stratified that their skeptical position is correct because the Master didn't cut off the slave's arm or the slave didn't walk into the Vatican and flash the Pope.

Maybe some of you have "no limit" relationships and don't know it. Think about the closest relationship you have. You get a call from this person saying they are in trouble and need you to come immediately. How far would you go to help them? Would it be across the street?. Across town? Across country? Or Across the world? If you would not even ask where they were before you said; "I'm on my way!" - That's what "no limits" feels like.

I can tell you that a "no limits" relationship is empowering not only for the Master but for the slave. It a confidence that normally you can only have in yourself. To have it in another person makes both parties stronger. No limits is the illustration of total trust and total confidence. It's not easy to come by and not easy to achieve. Yes the physical part is fun and erotic. Yes I consider beth a "no-limits" slave to me. But I won't prove it by cutting off her arm, and although I do have a picture of her "flashing" in the Vatican, the Pope wasn't there that day.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/5/2006 7:30:21 AM

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Mercnbeth: I really appreciated reading what you just wrote above. It's a very positive statement and I tend to agree, even if I haven't been in one yet. It's good to read from such inspiring folks. I understand what you say.

marie: LOL!

You do get to the crux of things - hmm. Good question. For my father, or sisters, yes - I think I would eat a spider, if I perceived or was told or saw that someone threatened to harm them irrevocably. Yes. To save a random someone else, to whom I had a human attachment, from being abused or killed who could not defend themself? I'd love to think so, I'd certainly like to think I'd do it (it sounds so noble) - circumstances would determine that though. I don't have Dominant or a Master now, but I presume if I loved him, I'd eat a spider for him too (it's easy to brag, though. There is no spider in front of me, waiting).

Tongue-in-cheek: As long as we're theorizing and fantasizing - I think it would be kinder of the requestor-and-or demander if: The spider was wrapped in salmon spread, inside Brie cheese, with a nice, thick covering of rye bread. Can there be haunting and emphatic music, coming to a crescendo, in the background, while it descends into my mouth? (I would consider this act to be a "big milestone moment", of sorts, for me, in some ways, and want to celebrate. I suppose that is demanding - maybe I could just hum it inside my head, from memory). The food enclosing it is because I don't like to see other creaztures squirming, necessarily - especially if the spider was big, or had hairy legs (ick)! Plus, if it's a Tarantula, I've heard they can be salty, and would like something to lessen the saltiness, plus their gushing innards, after I take a bite, like creamy cheese, or Rye bread. But - thats just my being raised in a Western culture talking - maybe. And culinary pickiness. I also watched plenty of Horror movies, like House of Wax (with my fave pre-teen crush, Vincent Price )- so I'm kind of prepared, I guess. Tarantulas can also scream, so maybe I'd appreciate ear-plugs, too.

I am being a demanding submissive, aren't I? I am not a slave yet. I'm going to need to think about this. I can be a wuss sometimes. For love? I'd like to think so (the ultimate value of the request, I suppose, to anyone except my Master, would not be for me to judge). On a simple dare? No. Well, maybe if I was enraged or really angry at someone (which rarely happens), and that someone told me they thought I couldn't do it. Possibly then. But probably not. It sounds to me like a maybe silly thing to do for someone whose opinion you don't care much about.

Maybe we should audition for the reality tv show "Fear Factor" to prep for these decisions of consequence that could come our way with a hypothetical Master? Or take an "Outward Bound" survival skills course, and see if we can survive three days alone in deep, expansive woods with which we are unfamilar, with nothing but mascara, and a Swiss army knife, a blanket, and water bottle - but no map?

I think that challenges can definitely increase confidence, but - I do hope my personality and welfare are taken into consideration, when anyone decides for me which ones I need to face.

- Susan

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/5/2006 8:52:18 AM

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Would the spiders be deep fat fried?

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/5/2006 8:52:44 AM

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LMAO - Do tarantulas really scream?

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/5/2006 8:54:38 AM

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popeye: Only if my Master wasn't on a low-cholesterol diet, maybe.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/5/2006 8:58:07 AM

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Shit, I could eat a spider if it was deep fat fried, it'd be just like eating fried crabs!
In my drinking days I used to eat bugs just to gross people out.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/5/2006 9:04:27 AM

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popeye: Oh yes - we're talking about the slave doing the eating, aren't we ?(I'm just a wee bit tired, sorry. Really). Deep-fat fried? Good idea. Then they'd not only be be dead, but also crunchy (unless they were your "original recipe" maybe, then they might be softer in texture?), and have a nice subtle aroma of seasoned oil, perhaps. That would makle them edible without much pain (to me).

velvettears: Yes, they can scream (when they are mating, or feel very threatened, I've read). And it can be hard to fool them into thinking there might not be danger when dangling in mid-air by thjeir legs, for instance, because their eye-sight is so well-developed). But - as popeye said, if we deep fat fry them, it might be just like cooking a lobster (I'd still need the blindfold for that, though. Unless maybe we order them on-line, at that one corner market in India "everyone" is supposedly raving about).

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/5/2006 9:09:22 AM

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Hello Mercnbeth,

i enjoyed reading your post and the way you described "no limits". i can sort of understand it on some level, but many doms aren't as caring, thoughtful, protective, etc as perhaps you are.

i know many of us get into the "what if" scenarios and i don't think thinking about "what if" is such a bad thing to do. It's wonderful to see such couples as yourself who have an M/s relationship where no limits abide and both are happy. But the reality is lots of slaves get abused and if they come seeking knowledge and walk away with ideas about "no limits" that aren't well interpreted it could be dangerous. i would even venture to say a sub/slave could come up against a limit they never even dreamed they had just being put into a position and faced with having to do it. It's easy to think you can do something (before ever trying it) and quite another to be faced with doing it only find you are not be able to do it. Many reasons for it can abide - panic, paralysing fear, physical limitation, emotional instability etc

At any rate - it will never be something i will ever personally grapple with as i would never be a slave. i do know many slaves though and some of the experiences they have shared with me have been heart wrenching, to say the least.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/5/2006 9:25:45 AM

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velvettears: I think I know what you mean.
I can get into a head-space where I want to be able to do anything for someone. I think of myself as considerate toward most people, and lovingly giving to a smaller circle of people I care deeply about (which can entail some sacrifice, but also makes me happy, and hopefully them). I think some responsible Masters hopefully ask extensive questions similar to this (and many more besides, or maybe ones more personally oriented to their own needs in some way) of prospective slaves before a relationship begins - to get a feel (and make them think) about how much they'd be willing to do. Each probably has their own way; I think some simply trust their intuition, or have other methods for ferreting out potentially good slaves.

For me, I know it probably sounds too vague to be a reliable gauge, but I think there is nothing like trusting your gut intuition as the ultimate guide as far as whom to choose. I really do trust mine. But I can also at times doubt it, and also get confused. This question can seem for me, a conundrum.

Maybe I can come up with one or two more questions (but have to do it later, if I do). I know I am sounding perhaps like I am making fun of the question, but I am really considering the issue. Humor is a defense sometimes (but I can be serious as well. It's also fun for me to write and to read. Humor can helps me think and relate to people sometimes). There are many questions to ask of oneself before engaging. But also have to remain open and trusting, so as not to spoil the potential for growth. It's ultimatley very serious business, but with the right person I am thinking, maybe very rewarding. It depends on the Master, I think (if the slave). Somebody who can hold you in the palm of their hand without crushing you, but knowing they could if they wanted to is an image that springs to my mind.

I agree there are probably real jerks and abusers out there. Some Masters, though, I think just genuinely want to know they're going to end up with someone very devoted and loving, and don't plan to abuse that "No "limits!" privilege - because if they are worth their salt, they are keeping the ultimate welfare of their slave in mind, as well as their own. I think you really have to know someone - plus be willing to take a leap of faith they will fundamentally remain the person you think you know to be able to enter into an M/s relationship. I know the Master is taking a risk, too (but perhaps not on as big a scale, depending on just what either person considers the benefits of the relationship). As I said, I have not been in an M/s relationship, so this is conjecture from me.

- Susan

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/5/2006 9:31:08 AM

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Oh, the slave doing the eating, ok!
I didn't read the whole thread. Doing laundry.
Eating bugs wouldn't gross me out but I'm sure it would a lot of other people.
When I was stationed in Maine in the CG some of the guys would go to restaurants and get steamed clams. Then they sneak one with them and go to the Men's room and stuff the clam up one side of their nose.
They come out and sit down and when people were looking at them they'd pull the clam out of their nose and eat it!
Just "the boys" out for a bit of fun.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/5/2006 9:36:00 AM

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A slave who tells me he has no limits is, I believe, really simply telling me he trusts that I do. My limits protect him. He does not feel a need for limits of his own. Discussions of chain saws and unspeakable horrors are not necessary or relevent.

In reality, regardless of what a slave may have stated his limits to be, if that slave is bound and helpless only trust in the dominant's integrity and limits is what keeps him safe anyway.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/5/2006 9:57:53 AM

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Lornadomme, that's a good way to put it!
If I owned a no-limits Collared slave I wouldn't make her eat bugs or anything nasty like that!
To me if you own a slave you protect her number one.
If she's going to be my property I want her in good shape and to be happy in her servatude. And if I'm that close and intimate with a person that she wants to be my slave I'm going to make sure nothing bad happens to her.
I'd be more interested in sexual things like anal sex or maybe if they didn't like "fisting" I might want to try that.
I can think of about a thousand other things to do but none of them would risk life and limb!
Most of the things would involve protocols, manner of dress, tasks to be performed, sexual service, regular bondage times etc.
And of course a few "surprises" every now and then just to keep things interesting.
I wouldn't do anything to injure or hurt my slave.
There's all kinds of fun things to do without involving injury.
But, she'd definately have to do things she might not like being "No Limits" and all.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/5/2006 10:49:09 AM

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Fact or fiction? Where does 'no limits' (assuming such exists) stop being simply BDSM, M/s or D/s and become out and out abuse? i am not trying to start a flame war, here... i truly want to know what others think.

In a literal sense its mostly fiction, I say mostly because if you are willing to go to extremes you can always find something they won't do.

Most of the submissives and slaves (and most have identified as slaves) I have encountered who profess to be no limits fall into one of three broad groups. The first group are puffing themselves up, trying to sound like a lot more than they are. I avoid this first group whenever possible. The second group are simply naive, they sincerely believe that to be a slave they must have no limits and they're trying to aspire to that. This second group, while naive, is sincere and you can work with them. The third group are those who are not naive, but they are aspiring to submit as completely as they can. When they say they have no limits, I find what they mean is that they work to set no limits of their own, they do not wish to limit how they serve or may be used (although often within a sane context). This last group I prefer.

I find that those who are naive often move to the first or second group with time. Those in the first group don't generally change unless confronted with a good dose of reality. Those in the third group are usually collared by the time I find them... damn the bad luck! LOL

So in short, I view the statement with a bit of skepticism, but not the cynicism others typically express. I avoid extremes as litmus tests for its veracity because frankly, if you go to a far enough extreme you can disprove just about anything. It suits me that if a "no limits" slave realizes that she does have human limitations but does her best not to create or put limits on her service then that's close enough to "no limits" for me.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/5/2006 10:51:48 AM

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Nodding, it is the effort to not limit the OWNER that I find attractive.

Which is also why owners are chosen with great caution.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/5/2006 11:36:24 AM

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this is only my opinion about being "no limits'. And i will preface it by saying that at this time i am an owned slave with very few limits.

The term NO LIMITS (ImO) is in regard to the One you serve (i would imagine it would work better in a LTR than casual).

If someone is in a relationship with another of similar values and beliefs then the idea of no limits could possibly apply. One may have limits in their day to day life and with a stranger etc. but that would be beside the true point of being no limits. No limits would really only amount to a hill of jelly beans if it weren't in direct relation to one's Owner/Master (whatever). The outside world wouldn't matter in the least.

As things stand in my personal relationship (making that distiction so as not to broad stroke) There are limits that we both share of things neither of us will do. There are things that my Daddy/Master wishes that make me nervous or scare me and then there are he things that we both enjoy.emensely.The things that i am scared of or whatever are semi limits but they are limits that are softly and gently being pushed until they will be gone (the hope anyway) The hope is that with my D/M that there will be no limitations put on Him. This will never mean that some schmo could do anything he wanted with me. It means simply that to my Master i will be totally open for anything he choses. Truly no limit-but only for HIM.

There is no ego involved with wanting to have the label of "No Limit" it is only a goal that we would like to attain to make our relationship, my surrender and service more fulfilling for us both.

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