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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 3:01:42 PM

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Place the barrel against the slave's temple and ask if she want's you to squeeze the trigger. If she says yes, she will put her life on the line for you and you need to collar her pronto for you have a true rarety.

or she just might value herself as a worthless person and that her death is no lost to the living... so saying yes is not so much a devotion to the Master... but a lack of value for what she can give to the Master

Pity the person that things they had more value to a Master if they are Dead as compared to being alive.

Silly me... but I always thought a slave's value comes accepting life over death.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 3:10:31 PM

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well... LordandMaster you are very much entitled to your opinion.... i would never try to take that right from anyone... regardless of how i personally feel... you seem to be reacting... i haven't flamed anyone... no need to... i haven't attacked anyone... a question was posed and i responded.... now... the fact that i may have been breathless had ZERO to do with this thread

... you seem to be taking this much too personally... for that i feel badly.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 3:25:32 PM

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It doesn't make anyones POV stronger when they use little insulting jabs or inuendoes about those they disagree with - it only serves to make them seem desperate to get their own opinion across, using any tactic they see fit to do so - kina like wearing brass knuckles to a "fair fight"

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 3:28:02 PM

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I'd say that the only limits a "no limits" slave would have are those of the owner.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 3:36:28 PM

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and that right there... is partly what i've been trying to get at... even a slave that claims 'no limits' has the limits of his/her Owner. Thereby defeating the very term 'no limits'.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 3:46:18 PM

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Let's say it isn't fiction... that there are no limit slaves. (Not my opinion, but for the sake of argument) That means NO LIMITS. Right? So, you and I might think it abuse, but the slave has willingly given themselves over, right? If the slave and dominant don't think it is abuse, does anyone else have the right to override their wishes?

Yes.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 3:46:59 PM

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I'd say that the only limits a "no limits" slave would have are those of the owner.

What if the owner changes and decides he/she wants something he/she thought they'd never have an interest in? What then?

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 3:57:41 PM

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I'd say that the only limits a "no limits" slave would have are those of the owner.

What if the owner changes and decides he/she wants something he/she thought they'd never have an interest in? What then?

As part of life, we change, sometimes subtly.

In relationships, say of two people, each person changes individually.

If the two people are changing in the same direction, as one might describe a 'healthy' relationship, it falls back on the trust factor. The trust is still the same, so the new activity continues apace.

If the 'changing' is in opposite directions, anyway, then there is a breakdown in the relationship. The new activity might spur a 'break', or one might be coming inevitably.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 3:59:22 PM

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What if the owner changes and decides he/she wants something he/she thought they'd never have an interest in? What then?

I adjust.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 4:05:16 PM

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Fact or fiction? Where does 'no limits' (assuming such exists) stop being simply BDSM, M/s or D/s and become out and out abuse? i am not trying to start a flame war, here... i truly want to know what others think.

It becomes abuse when the parties involved reach that line. Only they can make that disinction though.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 4:13:28 PM

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What if the owner changes and decides he/she wants something he/she thought they'd never have an interest in? What then?

I adjust.

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Are you willing ot be a mono-boob Wildfleurs LOL *winks*

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 4:16:06 PM

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As part of life, we change, sometimes subtly.

In relationships, say of two people, each person changes individually.

If the two people are changing in the same direction, as one might describe a 'healthy' relationship, it falls back on the trust factor. The trust is still the same, so the new activity continues apace.

If the 'changing' is in opposite directions, anyway, then there is a breakdown in the relationship. The new activity might spur a 'break', or one might be coming inevitably.

Jeff

Couldn't you argue then that if the slave parts ways if the change is too drastic that this is in and of itself a limit the slave has??

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 4:55:36 PM

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This is what happens when one sees things in absolutes, rather than shades.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 5:22:38 PM

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Are you willing ot be a mono-boob Wildfleurs LOL *winks*

You know right after I posted I realized I knew you from yahoo.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 5:23:30 PM

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What if the owner changes and decides he/she wants something he/she thought they'd never have an interest in? What then?

I adjust.

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Wildfleurs, I have enjoyed and agreed with your posts in this thread. Personally, I tire of partaking in the limits/no limits discussions. I do what he says. Call it no limits. Call it fantasy. Call it his limits. Call it what you want. He commands, and I do. Period. Others may feel differently in their relations. So be it. This is the relationship I am in, and this is how I am in it.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 6:14:25 PM

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One person's abuse is another person's ecstasy.
It would behoove all those thinking of becoming a slave to carefully think about what may occur.
One cannot, with any certainty, think "oh he wouldn't do THIS to me or he wouldn't make me do THAT", you never know he just might, then again he may never do such. Slavery is a very serious proposition, unless you are completely dedicated to becoming a slave perhaps subbie might be a more agreeable role.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 6:29:11 PM

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One person's abuse is another person's ecstasy.
It would behoove all those thinking of becoming a slave to carefully think about what may occur.
One cannot, with any certainty, think "oh he wouldn't do THIS to me or he wouldn't make me do THAT", you never know he just might, then again he may never do such. Slavery is a very serious proposition, unless you are completely dedicated to becoming a slave perhaps subbie might be a more agreeable role.

One thing I like about these threads is how they help me determine what should go on my limits list. Because of some of these threads I have added: nothing that would make me dead, no asking me to murder someone, no body fluid play that is so messy it belongs in the bathroom, etc.

There are those on CollarMe who don't like long limit lists from submissives, but this kind of thread keeps adding things to mine. I never thought I'd need to add "make sure there's enough lube not to tear my ass open and expose me to an almost untreatable infection" but now I've added that too.

How can anyone know all of their limits when they've not been exposed to some of this stuff? I knew about "no gerbils/hamsters up the ass" before this and the "no you cannot prostitute my unmentionables" due to other experiences, but why should we even need to add these kinds of things?

Where did logic and common sense go?

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 6:29:34 PM

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i do not disagree with you. Those that claim to be slaves... need to be absolutely certain.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 6:41:09 PM

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Are you willing ot be a mono-boob Wildfleurs LOL *winks*

You know right after I posted I realized I knew you from yahoo.

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i can't escape it Wildfleurs... it's everywhere LOL

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 6:50:53 PM

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Sublizzie I think thats part of the learning process on here. So many who are relatively new and some not so new, simply don't think of all the things a Master could want. They might think it so absurd in their own mind that they would never consider that it could happen.

To me its healthy that you are realizing what things are limits for you. There isn't anything wrong with having them. Like you, I've noticed that many doms on here seem to be affronted by the idea of limits. Thats fine too, it immediately lets both of you weed out who you have compatibility with you and who wouldn't.

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