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RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? - 1/25/2005 12:55:29 PM

Cyis75

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I'd have to say one of the good mindfucks I've pull off before was pulling out a folding knife that clicks so nicely from my pocket while the submissive was blindfolded. All she could hear was the click done a safe distance from her ear to ellicit the desire reaction of a startled jump. Then using a toothpick with a piece of ice held close to the toothpick but within my hand start "cutting" down the skin letting the melting ice run down the toothpick. In her mind she thought the melted ice was blood from the cutting.

Another mindfuck excursion included a trip up into the forest alone with rather "bratty" submissive who could never learn when to obey completely. After driving a good ways along a barely visible trail completely away from any possible contacts stop the car and order her out. Oncce out have her strip completely except her shoes and then I placed her clothing in the car and locked it. Naked and in the woods I walked her even further into the woods and away from the trail evilly reminding her that no one knew where we were and that no one was around to hear her scream so it'd be no use trying to do so. For once she was completely obedient but it was because I feel she was beginning to genuinely be scared which is not how I believe a heathly relationship should be. As a result this is one of the last excursions with this submissive if memory serves me right.

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RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? - 1/25/2005 1:07:06 PM

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quote:

I'd have to say one of the good mindfucks I've pull off before was pulling out a folding knife that clicks so nicely from my pocket while the submissive was blindfolded. All she could hear was the click done a safe distance from her ear to ellicit the desire reaction of a startled jump. Then using a toothpick with a piece of ice held close to the toothpick but within my hand start "cutting" down the skin letting the melting ice run down the toothpick. In her mind she thought the melted ice was blood from the cutting.

Wow....and I thought I was twisted....~grin~ Good one, thanks for sharing that.

Lily

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RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? - 1/25/2005 1:31:41 PM

Cyis75

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ProtagonistLily

quote:

I'd have to say one of the good mindfucks I've pull off before was pulling out a folding knife that clicks so nicely from my pocket while the submissive was blindfolded. All she could hear was the click done a safe distance from her ear to ellicit the desire reaction of a startled jump. Then using a toothpick with a piece of ice held close to the toothpick but within my hand start "cutting" down the skin letting the melting ice run down the toothpick. In her mind she thought the melted ice was blood from the cutting.

Wow....and I thought I was twisted....~grin~ Good one, thanks for sharing that.

Lily

Should here my lovely "kitty" complain when at a munch with a table full of dominants and she's the only submissive and we're coming up with all sorts of sick and twisted thoughts... She swears I don't need any help :)

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RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? - 1/25/2005 3:04:06 PM

Darthbetta

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Be afraid when your best friend (Dom) and you plot to take your subs out in the woods Camping one weekend. Tie them up , blind fold them, gag them, drag them along a trail, strip them, and then plop them down, and start to dig a hole with a shovel or 2, and then say nothing for an hour or so while doing it.

At some point you stop and say " Hey Bob,,,, you going to miss yours ?"... pause, then let him answer.... "Nah, I have a better one I met from Collarme.com that will take her place.... I just hope we dug this deep enough for the both of these 2 worthless pieces of flesh to decompise with the 3 bags of lime I brought in the truck. .

At this point if the Subs have any "brains" they will figure you 2 for dumping them in the hole, pouring lime on them, burrying them alive, and leaving them to rot in the ground.

So all you do is say... "well lets add some lime to them now and season them up".

so then you pour some flour (or baby powder) on them and make sure to rub it into their skin. the chalky feel will be just enough to make them totaly freek out.

Then pick them up by shoulders and feet ( HOLD ON TIGHT) !!!! then place them in the hole. Once in there, toss a little bit of dirt on them, and you can begin any sort of interogations you like, or whatever you like. they will be completely complacent and will do ANYTHING to please you and get out of the circumstance. It is also good if you want to hear them plead with you and screaming if you take off the gag at some point while they are in the hole.

They will tell you ANYTHIGN you want to hear, and will confess to just about anything that you did or did not know, and it often will turn a complete BITCH of a defiant sub into a weepybag of nothing and complacent silly putty.

You "decide" that maybee they deserve another chance, and you ask them if they can be "good - dirty little whores"..... Of course they will say " OH YESS !!! YES MASTER YESS SIR !!!!!..... so you dump water in on them and make MUD, then you jump in the 4 x 4 x 2 foot deep "MUD PIT" and have some nice "dirty sex" after you untie them and call them "dirty little [ibmud puppy whores that need to be used as such".

ON THE OTHER HAND, it could also RUIN your relationship... if you find out that she had slept with 6 other guys, was the person responsible for the destruction of your tool shed, the full length scratch along the quarter panel on your hot-rod showcar, that she threw away your favorite "ratty old RED SOX" sweater after they won the world series figuring you didn't need it anymore, That she was just with you for your Money and the fact that you have a 10 inch cock, and last but not least, that she Hates DOGS !

not that any of the above scenario is true or factual or even ever happened, but it could :P

ps: this is why I am a CAT PERSON and so it my sub----LMAO

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RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? - 1/28/2005 2:29:00 PM

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I am really disappointed with this whole thread. When I saw the title, I thougth it would be about really getting into a sub's mind in a skillful and subtle way, using insight to determine their personality, and using that to have a truly avant garde, erotic scene, that is memorable. No such luck - swapping car batteries, pushing somebody's fear buttons with insects or other phobias is just so childish. I agree with the many people that commented it is true emotional damage to do this, and completely betrays trust. Really. Can we have a little sophistication here?

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RE: "mindfuck" ? - 1/28/2005 2:35:59 PM

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So the real question here is: with a mind fuck scene, you are testing trust, and don't know the depth of trust until you have not reached it, or surpassed it and done permanent harm? Again, this seems childish and plain stupid to me. Even if you think you know your subbie/fuck toy/slave/ whatever perfectly well, what if you are wrong? You learn that you are wrong by destroying the relationship??? I remain unconvinced this is valid play, in any manner.

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RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? - 1/28/2005 2:53:02 PM

Hislavegurl

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Mind Phucks......

i am afraid of ants....put an ant on me and you will not ever do it again! Master or not. If i trust you enough to tell you my most feared thing, and you turn around and use it against me in any way, well your nuts are done for...and if i still can't get over it...neither will you! Sounds harsh? Well pulling a mind phuck like that gets you what you deserve, fear of retribution. Now on the other hand if we have discussed my fear and you are going to help me over come it well i might not want to get even quite so violently...lol
This subject made me laugh and squirm at the same time, you guys are great!

Hislavegurl

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RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? - 1/28/2005 4:46:12 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomButNotForgotn

I am really disappointed with this whole thread. When I saw the title, I thougth it would be about really getting into a sub's mind in a skillful and subtle way, using insight to determine their personality, and using that to have a truly avant garde, erotic scene, that is memorable. No such luck - swapping car batteries, pushing somebody's fear buttons with insects or other phobias is just so childish. I agree with the many people that commented it is true emotional damage to do this, and completely betrays trust. Really. Can we have a little sophistication here?

Well, please feel free to share some of your sophisticated mindfucks. Or is it childish to provide your own particular view on something you have criticized?

quote:

So the real question here is: with a mind fuck scene, you are testing trust, and don't know the depth of trust until you have not reached it, or surpassed it and done permanent harm? Again, this seems childish and plain stupid to me. Even if you think you know your subbie/fuck toy/slave/ whatever perfectly well, what if you are wrong? You learn that you are wrong by destroying the relationship??? I remain unconvinced this is valid play, in any manner.

Fortunately, the use of mindfucks in a scene does not need to be validated by you to be enjoyed by others. I understand that you think this is all so very childish...and stupid. Perhaps you could share what "valid" play is with the rest of us.

If someone chooses to live in fear of destroying a relationship because of the possibility of something going wrong, jeezus! Then why ever pick up a flogger? You can put an eye out with that thing! That could definately hurt the relationship. Blindfolds could bring up some horrible childhood trauma... Rabbit fur floggers cause an allergic reaction in some people... Eeek!

There's danger in everything we do. I'll choose to live my life aware of the risks and without the fear. Do whatever works for you.

~Thorns

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RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? - 1/29/2005 3:54:11 PM

domtimothy46176

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomButNotForgotn

I am really disappointed with this whole thread. When I saw the title, I thougth it would be about really getting into a sub's mind in a skillful and subtle way, using insight to determine their personality, and using that to have a truly avant garde, erotic scene, that is memorable. No such luck - swapping car batteries, pushing somebody's fear buttons with insects or other phobias is just so childish. I agree with the many people that commented it is true emotional damage to do this, and completely betrays trust. Really. Can we have a little sophistication here?

One man's sophistication is another's bullshit. While it may not appeal to you, neither are you required to engage in anything that does not suit you. Take what you find useful and leave the rest.
Timothy

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RE: "mindfuck" ? - 1/29/2005 3:59:41 PM

domtimothy46176

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ORIGINAL: DomButNotForgotn

So the real question here is: with a mind fuck scene, you are testing trust, and don't know the depth of trust until you have not reached it, or surpassed it and done permanent harm? Again, this seems childish and plain stupid to me. Even if you think you know your subbie/fuck toy/slave/ whatever perfectly well, what if you are wrong? You learn that you are wrong by destroying the relationship??? I remain unconvinced this is valid play, in any manner.

It's my opinion that a mind fuck doesn't necessarily need to test trust. As stated in a previous post within this thread, scenes that set up an internal conflict within the submissive are also, by my definition, mind fucks. As I stated previously, anything that you don't find appealing you may bypass if you choose. I find it interesting, however, that you feel it necessary to share your doubts on the validity within a thread asking for examples. Why do you feel this is germane to this thread?
Timothy

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RE: "mindfuck" ? - 1/29/2005 7:55:50 PM

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quote:

It's my opinion that a mind fuck doesn't necessarily need to test trust.

I agree, mind fucks have nothing to do with testing trust. Mind fucks produce adrenaline, make you feel different emotions (not meant to inflict emotional harm, but the one overseeing your well being knows this and would not cross that line). Feeling is a positive thing. Feeling a little fear with the one you trust. Feeling a little abandonment, with someone you know will not forsake you. It's a beautiful thing, intimate thing, not a casual harm.

It's just like in the movie sixth sense, you couldn't predict the outcome, someone "out thought" you....that feeling you get after the true ending is revealed.

again, this may not be everyone's kink. I for one, enjoy it immensely. It's a very personal thing, and in the times I have experienced it, caused a deeper bond and adoration.

Respectfully,
Willing2serve

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RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? - 1/29/2005 8:17:02 PM

LadyShoshin

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One I can't discuss, because it is still in the planning stage, it is taking months of planning, several people involved, purchases of items and a night at a party venue with appropriate accomodations.

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RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? - 1/30/2005 2:52:24 PM

DomButNotForgotn

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at the risk of flaming - MRTHORNS - you quote me and ask for me to tell you of some hypothetical insight into some imaginary sub that will yield a "sophisticated mind fuck"- impossible to do, as I'm sure you will concede.

Also, I have to comment on your supposition that real trust is built over a period of time, and a transgression such as a single "mindfuck" will not destroy a supposedly intimate and trusting relationship. I feel this is completely wrong. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion, but I hope that you have more insight (or simple desire to KEEP a subbie) than to fuck them over, in any way.

Ciao!

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RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? - 1/30/2005 4:10:17 PM

wetrope

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I dont know why u all need this, any sub if had is already in such a state (terrified) during scening, particularly after the blindfold and the gag, that I dont need any of these ploys or fakes. I couldnt honestly say I was going to try or do something and then not do it. Maybe its just me.

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RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? - 1/31/2005 3:14:24 PM

MrThorns

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Actually, dombutnotforgotten, I was looking for a real experience, not a hypothetical one. You stated that you were disappointed with this thread because it lacked suggestions on sophisticated forms of play. Perhaps I made an assumption that you had some real references from which to develop this opinion, especially as you posted to a thread that clearly stated the word, "Mindfuck" in it's title. How could someone possibly have concluded that it was a thread about something other than mindfucks? Where does the disappointment in the thread come from?

I understand that many people don't like mindfucks, just as there are people who like thud over sting, people who will never venture into watersports or fisting, etc etc. I, for one, have enjoyed the thread and would love to see more sucessful mindfuck stories as they develop.

As for the insight you have provided me, well.. I can say that I am more aware of the happiness I have in knowing that you have absolutely no influence on my relationships. (4 years and still going strong, mindfucks included.)

Tchuss,

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RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? - 1/31/2005 3:45:53 PM

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quote:

One I can't discuss, because it is still in the planning stage, it is taking months of planning, several people involved, purchases of items and a night at a party venue with appropriate accomodations

M.Shoshin-

I never did get back to you on that- the helicopter willl not be avialible that week, but I can get a Beechcraft Bonaza that has the capicity you needed- let me know if you want it-

Stay warm,
Lawrence

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RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? - 1/31/2005 3:49:49 PM

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quote:

I have to comment on your supposition that real trust is built over a period of time, and a transgression such as a single "mindfuck" will not destroy a supposedly intimate and trusting relationship. I feel this is completely wrong.

M. DBNF-

Which part do you disagree with?

That trust is built over a period of time, or that a single mindfuck will not ruin a relationship?

I'd have to say that both parts, IMX, are accurate. what's your case for the oppostion?

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Lawrence

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RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? - 2/5/2005 3:50:43 AM

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In a little bit of physiological economising, our body's reactions to extreme fear and extreme pleasure are identical. It is the nature of the stimulus that determines whether the sensation is perceived as terror or bliss. We parachute, drive fast, go on roller coasters, watch scary movies, because our bodies can’t distinguish between real and imagined threats. And our bodies love being terrified as much as they love being little thrilled in more immediately pleasant ways.

It is precisely this turnabout that the “mind phuck” should create.

Earlier, someone said there is a difference between BDSM play and initiatory ritual. I’d say – perhaps there is a difference, for you.

When a behaviour becomes abuse, in the context of adult interactions, is determined by the parties on the giving and receiving ends, not by external standards. There are no doubt people out there, who find the very existence of this message board an abomination and even the gentlest play we discuss to be violent and abusive.

It’s all just degrees, preferences and awareness.

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RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? - 2/5/2005 6:42:25 AM

liljoy

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Topcat,
i realize You weren't talking to me here. i do hae some thoughts about it that i'd like to share, if i may.

i of course agree that trust is built over time. i do also believe that a single mindfuck has the potential to destroy the trust and perhaps the relationship.

Here are some exaples that i believe could do this.

1) If the submissive really beleived even for a lil while that the Dominant would really kill the submissive.

i continue to feel this would be a bad, bad idea even to plant this seed of doubt.

2) If the Dominant took the submissives deepest fears and used those as a mind fuck.

There are ways to overcome these fears but i personally don't think this is the way to do it. This to me is too much like the Dominant using info that the submissive trusted the Dominant with and using it against the submissive.

3) Using a traumatic eent that the submissie has lived through as a mindfuck.

For the same reason as number two. If the submissive trusted the Dominant enough to share a trauma with the Dominant and it was used as a mindfuck, how could that not do damage?

Okay that's a few examples. i am NOT in anyway implying that You would do any of these things. i'm just giving some examples of ways i think one single mindfuck can destroy trust.

lil_joy

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ORIGINAL: topcat

That trust is built over a period of time, or that a single mindfuck will not ruin a relationship?

I'd have to say that both parts, IMX, are accurate. what's your case for the oppostion?

Stay warm,
Lawrence

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RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? - 2/5/2005 7:09:16 AM

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I recently was very dissapointed with the actions of my sub about a particular matter.

I plan on going shopping with her and lettingher try on this dress that she has really really REALLY been wanting for a very long time (it is expensive). In the store, she will parade around, and be all gleefull in thinking she is finaly going to get it.

me: "You really do like that dress huh ? ".
her (some sort of oh yes ! reply)
me: "take it off".
her (looks of confusion)
me: "you dissapointed me last week. Now this is your punishment".

And we leave the store with no dress.

she will be completely busted up, but will perhaps be more mindfull of her actions and words inthe future. It is what 24/7 means... "BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR WORDS AND ACTIONS AT ALL TIMES."

Once back at home, a scene will take place, and will culminate with her getting the dress anyway (I had already bought one, and it was stashed under some stuff in the closet).

Just another angle to a "mind phuck" as a disciplinary tactic.

< Message edited by Darthbetta -- 2/5/2005 7:10:12 AM >

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