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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/14/2006 9:20:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I was "browsing pictures" in here and the sad part is looking at all the young women who are overweight and won't be making it to 45 years of life but stroke out or have heart attacks.
I mean what are they eating that's making them so fat?
You don't see this in other countries.

And why are YOU so obsessed with THEIR health issues? Sheesh, we overweight people KNOW its unhealthy for goodness sake! Its like telling a smoker every time they light up "Thats bad for you, you know."

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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/14/2006 9:29:20 PM

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And why are YOU so obsessed with THEIR health issues? Sheesh, we overweight people KNOW its unhealthy for goodness sake! Its like telling a smoker every time they light up "Thats bad for you, you know."

LoL! Very true! I smoked for 25 years, 2+ packs a day. One day I got a wild hair up my ass and stopped smoking. Finished. Never had another drag. That was more then 2 years ago.

Being fat and smoking are two entirely different areas though. When you stop smoking... you are done. When you need to lose weight, you can't give up food, or you die.

Most Americans are unhealthy in regards to weight. If I could figure out a way to keep myself motivated, and able to enjoy the variety of foods that I enjoy eating AND lose weight.. I'd be there in a healthy heartbeat!

Seafood Alfredo over linguine anyone?

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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/14/2006 9:39:42 PM

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popeye, what are you eating that makes you so thin?   i know how you're thinking, you're adding up all the stuff you've eaten today, and figure if you aren't gaining weight on 3 meals a day plus snacks.. heavies MUSt be eating 4, plus double snacks. Some, by their own admission are, but not all.

Actually, i couldn't stand to eat as often as you regulars.  i just digest so slowly, a regular cheeseburger without the fries, and no soda, will stay with me for 6 to 8 hours.  Tuna on a green pepper takes about 4.   i'm up til wee hours of the morning because eating dinner with the family means i can't lay down for that long. i've seen the thin girls at work that hit the machines daily, buying a soda and a bag of chips before the shift, at two breaks, and added to the lunch they cart in to microwave, a full replica of last nights lasagne.   After work, they'll go home and make full dinners and drink 3 more sodas. WTF? if i ate that much in one day, i would puke myself dehydrated. Since the work done was production, i KNOW i was doing as much or more activity, my output n the clutch assembly line was much more than theirs, because i was sensitive to being overweight, and damn sure i wasn't going to be outworked.

Consuming huge amounts of food does seem to raise some peoples metabolism.. and eating only once a day really does aggrevate a slow metabolism.   What started my body on this downward metabolism spiral? sleep apnea. it's being treated, but by now has caused an enlarged heart and pulmonary dysfunction. so now, yes, i have the added kicker of not being able to exercise effectively and i'm not working outside anymore. oddly enough, i haven't gained any weight while not working, i just haven't lost any either.

My normal caloric intake per day is 900-1000 calories, with the exception of Saturdays, where i get all my calories from "grain products" Icehouse beer. lol. 149 cals times the amount i drink, it's still under 1000 calories. usually i don't eat on Sat because food just lays there and sautes with the beer. yuck. (Yes, i admit the beer n cigs vices are killers, and am addressing those things.. but outside of Sat night out, i have a healthy mix in the diet over the span of 3 days.)

When i was able, weight training sure did help, and the added muscle mass made a big diff.. and i'll go back to that as soon as i can.

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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/14/2006 9:47:52 PM

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communication is a skill set, people think it is just something you do and therefore does not need to be studied, evaluated improved upon and developed.

but its too bad because there are some wonderful practices and exercises that can easily be learned that will enhance not only the relationship with your partner but every other communication you will ever have with any one for the rest of your life. /part one

as to the second part, a submissive i would hope would have strict boundaries going in to any dynamic, it means she has figured out what is important to her and she is very clear she wants to be loved "as is" .

but dont forget folks grow and evolve....and one day her own health may become a priority even if not for herself for her owners happiness...in her growing desire to be pleasing for her owner she will most likely reevaluate her commitment to treating her temple poorly. /end part two

i invite you not to be in judgement of those that can't or don't communicate well, or those that treat them selves poorly because like you, me, and every one on the planet we are all still learning and growing.

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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/15/2006 5:12:37 AM

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Popeye,

Please browse my picture. I've been this size for almost 30 years and have gone beyond 45 without a stroke or heart attack. I started putting on weight when I was married because he wanted a fat woman no one else would want. (Can we say low self-esteem?) Unfortunately I didn't realize that's what he was doing to me until just over 3 years ago.

Since I left him I've lost a little weight but it's probably pretty much here to stay. And you know what? I'm okay with myself just the way I am. If a Dom/me told me that I was wonderful but I needed to lose weight before I would be good enough to be their submissive I'd tell them that they weren't the one for me. However, if I got into a relationship with a Dom who appreciated who I was and truly enjoyed me, regardless of my weight, I would probably adjust my life in ways that he wanted and lose more weight, more quickly. Would I lose weight for a Dom? Only if we already had a strong, long-standing relationship. If he can't accept me as I am now, why would I be willing to go through all of the work and pain of losing weight for him? He probably wouldn't want me thin either.

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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/15/2006 5:55:43 AM

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Popeye,

Since I left him I've lost a little weight but it's probably pretty much here to stay.

It's not too late, though you said you are comfy as is, to make changes!!!!

AD

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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/15/2006 3:42:33 PM

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Popeye,

Please browse my picture. I've been this size for almost 30 years and have gone beyond 45 without a stroke or heart attack. I started putting on weight when I was married because he wanted a fat woman no one else would want. (Can we say low self-esteem?) Unfortunately I didn't realize that's what he was doing to me until just over 3 years ago.

Since I left him I've lost a little weight but it's probably pretty much here to stay. And you know what? I'm okay with myself just the way I am. If a Dom/me told me that I was wonderful but I needed to lose weight before I would be good enough to be their submissive I'd tell them that they weren't the one for me. However, if I got into a relationship with a Dom who appreciated who I was and truly enjoyed me, regardless of my weight, I would probably adjust my life in ways that he wanted and lose more weight, more quickly. Would I lose weight for a Dom? Only if we already had a strong, long-standing relationship. If he can't accept me as I am now, why would I be willing to go through all of the work and pain of losing weight for him? He probably wouldn't want me thin either.

Very well stated sublizie thank you. i am 46 and a bbw and had cholesterol testsed, diabetes, heart all is fine and i have not stroked out yet. You can be overweight and not on deaths door. Do i want to loose weight, sure. Would i do so if ordered to, no. It would be disheartening to be told to loose weight so i measured up to something someone else wanted or found more desireable. If it's a priority then find a thin sub, simple as that. As lizie stated, after being IN an existing relstionship perhaps the feelings generated by being with someone who loved me unconditionally would inspire me to loose weight - perhaps it would be the motivation i needed?? i know for sure that if i felt pressure to loose i would fail miserably at it.

Popeye i think you meant well in what you said, i have never read a post where you were putting others down, but i think on this one you can't completely understand the difficulties obese people face everyday. It's not just will power it's far more cmplicated than that.

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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/15/2006 7:49:19 PM

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popeye, what are you eating that makes you so thin?   i know how you're thinking, you're adding up all the stuff you've eaten today, and figure if you aren't gaining weight on 3 meals a day plus snacks.. heavies MUSt be eating 4, plus double snacks. Some, by their own admission are, but not all.

Actually, i couldn't stand to eat as often as you regulars.  i just digest so slowly, a regular cheeseburger without the fries, and no soda, will stay with me for 6 to 8 hours.  Tuna on a green pepper takes about 4.   i'm up til wee hours of the morning because eating dinner with the family means i can't lay down for that long. i've seen the thin girls at work that hit the machines daily, buying a soda and a bag of chips before the shift, at two breaks, and added to the lunch they cart in to microwave, a full replica of last nights lasagne.   After work, they'll go home and make full dinners and drink 3 more sodas. WTF? if i ate that much in one day, i would puke myself dehydrated. Since the work done was production, i KNOW i was doing as much or more activity, my output n the clutch assembly line was much more than theirs, because i was sensitive to being overweight, and damn sure i wasn't going to be outworked.

Consuming huge amounts of food does seem to raise some peoples metabolism.. and eating only once a day really does aggrevate a slow metabolism.   What started my body on this downward metabolism spiral? sleep apnea. it's being treated, but by now has caused an enlarged heart and pulmonary dysfunction. so now, yes, i have the added kicker of not being able to exercise effectively and i'm not working outside anymore. oddly enough, i haven't gained any weight while not working, i just haven't lost any either.

My normal caloric intake per day is 900-1000 calories, with the exception of Saturdays, where i get all my calories from "grain products" Icehouse beer. lol. 149 cals times the amount i drink, it's still under 1000 calories. usually i don't eat on Sat because food just lays there and sautes with the beer. yuck. (Yes, i admit the beer n cigs vices are killers, and am addressing those things.. but outside of Sat night out, i have a healthy mix in the diet over the span of 3 days.)

When i was able, weight training sure did help, and the added muscle mass made a big diff.. and i'll go back to that as soon as i can.

Mavis, Sublizzie, Velvettears, I eat once or twice a day, no "snacks"
I eat whatever I want. I also do a lot of walking and ride my bicycle a few times a week.
I was just out to Kansas City and visited a Coast Guard buddy of mine and his wife.
He just got on the Post Office and walks about 8 miles a day and his wife told me he "lost his gut just from walking for two months."
I've travelled to quite a few foreign countries and you just don't see the obesity there that you see in this country.
There has to be a reason for this is what I'm wondering.
I mean why in the U.S. but not in so many other countries?
About 4 months ago I was talking to my brother who is a Lt. on the Boston Fire Dept and his Ladder Co responds to "Medical Aid" calls.
He said they had a 27 y.o. female who had been dead in her apt for about a day due to heart attack and that "she was about 5'2" and 240 lbs." I mean if you're 5'2" and female you (should) weigh between 95-115 lbs. What happenned there?
And about a month or 6 weeks ago one of the other owners of these condos had a heart attack and had to have quadruple by-pass surgery. She was about 100 lbs overweight.
She felt "fine" too until the heart attack.
As for me if I ever became overweight I'd just stop eating for a week or so and walk more.
I'm going to start doing a lot more walking at the beach after talking to my buddy.
Walking really does work!
Why is the United States stricken with so much of this condition moreso than other countries?

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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/15/2006 11:26:35 PM

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When I own a car, I take good care of that car. I make sure that it's washed and waxed on a regular basis. The oil is changed on a regular basis, the tires are rotated and repairs are done as necessary. When I own a girl, I have that same Pride of Ownership.

Dear Pavlov,

In order to maintain your car, you need to read and follow its instruction and maintenance manual.

The same is true of submissive girls too. If you have an obese smoker, you need check out appendix "C" of Volume II, Female Submissives Bred in North America under the subsection, "Fat Chicks w/ defiant attitudes and bad habits."

Therein it suggests not mentioning "diet" but instead focusing on tasty food groups with chic, french style portions. This engenders a more submissive attitude in girls while guiding them in the direction you desire.

For smokers, check out chapter 7 from Volume III, current edition as mentioned above. Therein retroactive, subliminal, behavioral conditioning and re-cognition is explained in pertinent detail, giving you the A-Z steps to make her kick the habit.

Just try to think of yourself as MrGoodDominant.

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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/16/2006 9:03:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mavis

popeye, what are you eating that makes you so thin?

Spinach, of course!!

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
As for me if I ever became overweight I'd just stop eating for a week or so and walk more.

My god, do you have ANY idea how unhealthy it is to "just stop eating"?? That sends your body into "fasting" mode, which actually makes you lose weight slower! It also results in the loss of muscle mass rather than fat, because your body starts digesting your own muscles to get the neccessary protein to survive!

Also, the answer to what American women eat that the rest of the world doesnt? Plain and simple, its the white stuff. No, get your mind out of the gutter, I mean sugar. Americans consume more sugar than ANY other country on earth. And that is why our population (Male AND female) is so overweight.

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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/16/2006 9:43:44 AM

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Where do you get this statistic of Americans being the most overweight nation? i would like the reference to this. Perhaps in your travels, since you were a tourist, you weren't really seeing the natives of the land but others tourists. Maybe overweight people don't travel as tourists as much - i mean so amny assumptions can be made.

i am not saying we don't have a problem in this country. i personally think it starts in childhood. Just take a look at school lunches and vending machines. Look at all the parents who allow their children to drink soda. Look at the snacks kids bring to school. How can you blame an adult with a weight problem when the habits for such were ingrained in them from birth! i have seen women give infants sweet deserts... why!?!?!?!

i am overweight and have done the lose/gain/lose/gain deal. As a mother of 2 i was diligent in raiising my children with a healthy diet. Thankfully both are not overweight. One is 5f6 and weighs 105 - i personally would like to see her a few pounds heavier. They don't crave sweets because as babies and children they weren't allowed them. And believe it or not - people told me i was depriving my children and being cruel!!!!!!!! Both daughters are grateful to me and are now alway son my case LOL..... they tell me they don't want me to die early lol. That may motivate me. Certainly 100% more then a dom ordering me to because i don't fit his image of his dream sub.

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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/16/2006 9:44:15 AM

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STOP HIJACKING THREADS WITH WEIGHT ISSUES AND OPINIONS!!!!!

Leave the poor horsie alone for a while for fuck's sake!

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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/16/2006 9:47:03 AM

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Lorelei, that might be my secret.
I use sweet&low in coffee and mostly only drink diet cola unless I'm at a restaurant.

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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/16/2006 9:52:18 AM

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Come to my ER for a day and see just how many 'healthy' fat people don't have problems...for that matter how many 'healthy' thin people don't either. It's just that the weight adds to difficulties in being treated, healing and in regaining lost function. Health is a relative term...capacity to thrive might be a better way to think.

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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/16/2006 9:59:33 AM

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Do you mean obese or fat? I think that our weight charts are rather deceptive. I work out a lot and have good muscle tone, in addition I tend to put on weight in an hourglass proportionate way. I am about 10 to 15 lbs "overweight" right now, but I run about 3 miles and walk about 3 miles every day... so it is rather deceptive when one talks about weight and health, I am more physically fit than most people right on weight.

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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/16/2006 10:21:43 AM

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I could lose 30 lbs myself and still be over the "ahem" charts. My BP is 108/62 resting pulse 63. But I do worry about what happens in 5 yrs...10 yrs if I keep the pear shape. My heritage is huge German bakers with heads the size of watermelons...and death in their 40s. Live well with what is given you. Optomize what you have.

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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/16/2006 11:07:38 AM

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I misread your post primitive, I thought you meant something else...ooops!

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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/16/2006 11:08:33 AM

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Well, I could stand to loose the 30#s extra I have on me...but at least I quit smoking some 20 years ago! That'll help, I'm sure.

What is it we Americans eat that make us so much fatter than others? PROCESSED FOOD! ((which would be why even the most undernurished people in the world (India), are now getting fatter; thanks to McDonald's and others...))

<sigh> Sometimes it's soooo embarrasing to be an American!

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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/16/2006 12:08:11 PM

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Second I was reading the ad of a submissive who refuses to speak to any Dom/Master who would want her to quit smoking or lose weight. What struck me is that I want to own my girl for a very long time. That means that I want her to be as healthy as humanly possible. Obesity and smoking are 2 of the most dangerous things one can do to their body. I look at the behavior and habits of the girl that I'm involved with and make adjustments as I see fit and as negotiated.

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ORIGINAL: Aine

STOP HIJACKING THREADS WITH WEIGHT ISSUES AND OPINIONS!!!!!

Don't think the thread has been hijacked at all, OP mentioned habits and behaviors, and Popeye mentioned there must be some habit or behavior causing weight issues, and we're discussing the validity of that comment.

i'm pointing out the fallacy that many trim people believe.. "If I could control your diet and exercise for a month, I could show you what you're doing wrong and fix you."

If it were that easy, doctors would just check all overweight people in hospitals for 30 days, make a ton of money, and cure the world of heavy patients.

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RE: The Pride of Ownership - 9/16/2006 12:12:58 PM

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deleted text due to double post. sorry.

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