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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/18/2006 4:33:19 PM   
sweetnurseBBW


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Status: offline 		I like both. The thing is I am Masters slut. Its just a turn on.

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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/18/2006 4:51:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		As far as I'm concerned, they are both good.  But I've spoken to a couple of Doms lately who felt that "bitch" was too mild a term for an insult, and "slut" was a term of affection.

I think it's all in the delivery - if I'm trying to humiliate you, I'll figure out which one makes you blush and use that.  If I'm giving praise, then I'll use whichever one makes you smile.

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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/18/2006 4:58:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry, but that's a negotiated limit.  What I mean is that not every submissive has sex with whomever.  If that's something dom and sub have agreed upon, then yes; otherwise....

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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/18/2006 5:10:16 PM   
mstrjx


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ORIGINAL: bandit25

Sorry, but that's a negotiated limit.  What I mean is that not every submissive has sex with whomever.  If that's something dom and sub have agreed upon, then yes; otherwise....


Of course.  That's why I said 'within limits, of course'.

The same (limits) goes for language.  If it's such a sore spot, as others have mentioned, then using them even as terms of endearment is pointless.

For myself, I will use 'interesting' language, but have never allowed another to play with my toys, certainly not sexually.

I find myself often, when posting, remind myself that I don't wish to make a narrow-minded (personal) viewpoint.  I often say things that cover many people's opinions.

Hence, if a dom/sub couple enjoys sharing the sub, I'm not going to say it's wrong.  I didn't raise myself in this Lifestyle to be close-minded of anything.

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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/18/2006 5:38:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		i think i would be a little uncomfortable with "sugar-britches" (just kidding)  Didn't some comedian do a sketch about the different ways to say "dude?" and i know George Carlin did a whole thing on the word "shit"  and so on it goes... the word doesn't matter it's the context in which it's used.  What i don't want to hear is His silence.

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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/18/2006 5:39:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsKatHouston

It's all in the delivery

what a f'n slut - derogatory
yesssss that's my good little slut - an endearment
you f'n bitch, I'm gonna kick your ass - derogatory
bend over bitch - an endearment

I use everything or nothing.  If it bothers someone I won't use it.



I say these and far more vile epithets to hundreds of women a year.

Then they kick me in the groin and head as hard as the possibly can.

Then the fight is over and another student comes out on the mat.  Lather, rinse, repeat as needed.

Class ends, I go home.

Then I cash my paycheck.

Just me, could be wrong, but there ya go.

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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/18/2006 5:59:56 PM   
diamonddreamlove


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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/18/2006 6:07:46 PM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: diamonddreamlove

LOL what a way to earn a living!!!!



Hello A/all,

Teaching women's full-contact self defense is the most rewarding thing I have ever been involved in doing in my entire life.

But like many things in life, at the end of the day I am left with a fairly profound sense of sadness at the tragedy that somebody has to do it.

But as usual, that is just me and I could be wrong.

Sinergy

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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/18/2006 6:22:17 PM   
closertonova


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Status: offline 		I am an agressive activist, i don't mind being a bitch, i get things done, and sometimes i am less then nice to do it, i have no qualms about that, occasionally i am bitchy to my Dom, if its directed to Him i am punished, if its a release of energy at the nearst thing, He takes no offense, though i always sorry after.
I have a huge sexdrive, but have battled my own desires and societies standerds to couple wildly with the select partners of my chosing, i am not a slut, i have standereds and i am not a whore you couldn't buy me if you tried. i do joke about being a painslut, but just cause my Dom isn't a sadist and like to know i'm happy.

When my Dom desided to blatently display His dominance, He pulls my hair back and asks me who owns my body.
Using language in diffrent context from the rest of the world gets complicated after a while.

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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/18/2006 8:05:56 PM   
TemptingNviceSub


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Status: offline 		IMO..."bitch" is an attitude..."slut" is a behavior....now beyond this descriptive analogy...once again we come to what the 2 in the dynamic views it..good, bad or indifference its up to the person being called such names as to if it is acceptable or not...So for those who love it! enjoy!...for those who take great offense,

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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/18/2006 8:07:21 PM   
TemptingNviceSub


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Status: offline 		Ach! I hate it when I post before I finish...sooo...for those who take offense then...enjoy the TKO!...(grin)..Tempting

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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/18/2006 8:48:09 PM   
HarryVanWinkle


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Status: offline 		I'm a slut of the male variety, myself.  I've often been told that my mother was a bitch.  Neither term bothers me.  If called such a name by a Dom, I find it a turn on.  If called it by somebody I don't like, I consider the source and ignore it.

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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/19/2006 1:34:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jesskitty

this is a question i've been wanting to ask for awhile. i personally don't understand it and i see it's very common place and am trying to get a better perspective of it. why does it seem alot of dominant people enjoy/like calling their submissive natured partners sluts? and why not use any other word say bitch instead? is it refering back to the whole, 'lady in the streets but a freak in the bed' syndrome? or is it just the new trend? what's the difference for you between thinking of your partner as, 'your slut' and just someone thats called a slut?


You don't call a cunt acting like your slut a bitch... after all, there is such a thing as chivalry!   

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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/19/2006 7:27:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jesskitty

this is a question i've been wanting to ask for awhile. i personally don't understand it and i see it's very common place and am trying to get a better perspective of it. why does it seem alot of dominant people enjoy/like calling their submissive natured partners sluts? and why not use any other word say bitch instead? is it refering back to the whole, 'lady in the streets but a freak in the bed' syndrome? or is it just the new trend? what's the difference for you between thinking of your partner as, 'your slut' and just someone thats called a slut?


For me, part of it is the context in which I use it.  I've called my ex a 'bitch' and it was not in complimentary terms whatsoever nor was her use of the word bastard.  However, I have a submissive friend that I was once involved with and with whom I am still friends who will turn beet red in humiliation and pride and enjoyment of her humiliation/pride when I tell her "you are one hot slut" and I get a feeling of warmth and pride when she tells me "and you are still one sadistic bastard".  Part of it is the way in which my submissive behaves, both in terms of what she displays in terms of her own sexuality (needs/wants/desires) and her reaction to how I expect her to behave sexually.

In my D/s relationships, I enjoy humiliation through the use of such terms. I also use such terms to praise or to show affection (see example above for a mixed use).   If it was a minor issue for someone for me to use a particular word or to use it in a particular manner, I might not.  If it was a huge issue or if they didn't like the use of a term such as "slut" or any of the many terms I seem to find myself using, then - as Miss Kat noted - they'd probably have a hard time trying to deal with me, no matter how well-suited we might be in other areas.

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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/19/2006 11:00:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bitch is a word I use derogatively.  I might use it for a puppies or in the phrase "sexy bitch", but it's not an everyday term.

Slut I can't take seriously.  It's used a little too often in daily life.  I just think of my callgirl friend telling me a story of how someone called her a slut, and got corrected by her friends.. "She's not a slut, she's a whore.  Sluts don't care who they sleep with."  Note that this other person did not know of her profession.


My favourite humiliation term is "good girl".  It is utterly patronising.

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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/19/2006 11:33:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Bitch, and ""Slut" and Whore", in particular, are terms of sexual objectification, but also relatively subjective ones, and so tend to have very specific personal meanings to different people - I used to hear these words bandied around quite freqently in public social intercourse, and they could mean pretty much anything - a generous soul who is free with her love may be called a whore, while someone selling her favors to the highest bidder might be considered a pillar of the community, or it might be applied to somebody who was a little more aggressive in going after the guy you had your eye on, just no telling.

I call prostitutes pro's, just to avoid confusion, people into anarchic sexual styles are just freaks, publically speaking.

In here, in this community, I believe, "slut" is practically a word of endearment - objectifying, yes, but not impersonal or even derogotory, but more in the proud sense of ownership and deep commitment, and implies basically a high degree of compatability and trust - one who loves you so much they deny you nothing - as opposed to the vanilla "ball and chain", or similar relationships where people are using each other implicitly, and often in more retentive, impersonal and objectifying ways than you might find in the typical D/s relationship.

You can't get away with calling your wife or old lady a slut in most vanilla relationships, if anything, it signifies a level of trust that a lot of vanillas wish they could attain.

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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/19/2006 1:45:24 PM   
subgrrl222


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Status: offline 		Sir uses both terms with me and many others as well.

Bitch in the vernacular is not something that would offend me in most cases.  Usually it means that i am standing up for my beliefs and not backing down for whatever the reason (something that occurs quiet frequently in my professional world).  i am not mean or selfish as a general rule so if it is used as an insult, well it just backfired; since i will take pride in the fact that i have the strength to stand for my convictions.  If it is just used as "you're such a bitch" because i am arguing with someone and they can't come up with something better than that, it just isn't going to affect me at all.  When Sir calls me bitch, it is a term of endearment with us.  i am His bitch to use as He sees fit, and when He adds "My" in front of it, i just melt.

Slut would probably bother me more if used as a derogatory term by someone other than Sir.  Yes, i am a slut, but i am only Sir's slut and not anyone elses', as used by most people not engaging in d/s activities.  Friends of mine might jokingly call me a slut (especially those knowing of my sexual preferences), but it would certainly raise my hackles if called it by someone using it in a derogatory manner.  But they are probably just jealous .

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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/19/2006 7:34:55 PM   
velvetears


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Status: offline 		i think many doms enjoy calling their submissives "slut", "bitch", or "whore" because it magnifies in a very powerful way their total ownership of them.  Walk down the street or into an office and try calling an average woman one of those terms and you could almost get arrested.  There is a freedom in being able to express yourself any way you want to your submissive i think.  In fact just by virtue of the fact a dom will qualify it with MY slut tells me there is a feeling of "pride of ownership" going on. 

Lots of women take offense to these terms and others. Social conditioning i suppose. i enjoy all terms, but i have to say i don't like the word "cunt" - it just has a harsh sound to it. Its not soft nor does it roll off the tongue like the others.  But thats just my preference. If it was someting that really turned on my dom to call me it wouldn't be a big deal.

i do agree that in the vanilla sense slut has a whole other connotation and the definition i identify with is someone who has sex with everyone and anyone, anywhere;  indiscriminatory sex just for the sake of satisfying their own needs not really caring about their partner much.  Whore connotates an exchange of money.

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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/19/2006 8:00:22 PM   
Celeste43


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Status: offline 		To me, they are both pejorative terms and do not cause me to become more bonded with him, more submissive towards him. Indeed, the opposite is true. Being a highly intelligent man, he doesn't waste his time trying to convince me to feel otherwise when it is apparent that I can't. Instead he spent his time more wisely getting into my head, and discovering which terms get him the response he wants rather than rant because I'm not an "insta-sub" who will react the way it says on the packet of directions.

Of course, a dom who was so witless as to assume he would know better than I do how I would react is not someone I could have given my submission to. I have no interest in someone who thinks every sub is exactly the same and just because his ex liked it, then I would automatically do so as well.

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RE: slut over bitch? - 9/19/2006 8:47:46 PM   
slavemaia


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quote:

ORIGINAL: jesskitty

this is a question i've been wanting to ask for awhile. i personally don't understand it and i see it's very common place and am trying to get a better perspective of it. why does it seem alot of dominant people enjoy/like calling their submissive natured partners sluts? and why not use any other word say bitch instead? is it refering back to the whole, 'lady in the streets but a freak in the bed' syndrome? or is it just the new trend? what's the difference for you between thinking of your partner as, 'your slut' and just someone thats called a slut?

my own personal bias is that i totally dislike the word bitch as it has so many negative insinuations - "oh what a bitch" about someone acting in a manner that is disliked. It's not something i find enhancing to any kind of experience with my Master. i requested that He not use it with me and He has been so very kind not to. Slut, however is quite a different story and it turns me on when He refers to me as His slut or His whore.

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