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Telling family - 9/20/2006 1:02:42 PM   
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um, greetings. I'm a young, somewhat-experienced male slave. Lately, i've been coming under much stress because while i'm looking for a position, i have no idea how to tell my family. It's not just this lifestyle, i also have a case of gender dysphoria and they have nooo idea i like men o_o.

So this is a question for all of you who've dealt with the same: How did you do it and what should i do?
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RE: Telling family - 9/20/2006 1:05:02 PM   
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You really need to discuss matters like this with a therapist. I would be happy to help you find someone local to you in your area. A therapist will help you with how to break news & when it would be a good time to do so in regards to your GID & orientation.

As to this lifestyle stuff... not really any of there business. I'd wait until they asked & then be honest. If your old enough to be in a full time relationship then you're old enough to not have to seek out their permission or approval.

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RE: Telling family - 9/20/2006 1:06:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: angelwingrazor

um, greetings. I'm a young, somewhat-experienced male slave. Lately, i've been coming under much stress because while i'm looking for a position, i have no idea how to tell my family. It's not just this lifestyle, i also have a case of gender dysphoria and they have nooo idea i like men o_o.

So this is a question for all of you who've dealt with the same: How did you do it and what should i do?


Is there a particular reason why you wish or feel the need to come out to your family at this time?

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RE: Telling family - 9/20/2006 1:07:07 PM   
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that would be rather nice of you. i'm not trying to be a bother, but thank you.

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RE: Telling family - 9/20/2006 1:08:14 PM   
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ugh, i meant meeting with A master in january. sorry, sorry, huge brain fart there.

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RE: Telling family - 9/20/2006 1:18:37 PM   
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If I were you, I would not tell them....it will only cause dispair and confusion, just tell them you found someone special or that you have a job somewhere else and that you will keep in touch.....other than that, they probably already know what your leanings are Im sure. Get your master to help you on this one. This is the advise I can give you because Ive never been in your situation. Good luck.

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RE: Telling family - 9/20/2006 1:25:04 PM   
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For me it is on a "need to know basis" with what I tell my family. Of course they have noticed I like men that are controlling, but they do not know I consciously seek this..smiles. They like what they know of my current Dom. I have to say that I did tell my mom that I call my Dom Daddy, but I did not tell her the why of it. She thinks of it as an odd term of endearment. I felt she needed to know because I call him this without thinking about it, and sooner or later she would overhear it.

If you think that your family needs to know your situation tell them, but if they really do not need to know you might think twice about it.

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RE: Telling family - 9/20/2006 1:25:15 PM   
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it's perfectly okay, thanks for taking the time to answer me.

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RE: Telling family - 9/20/2006 1:34:30 PM   
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It seems that there are two separate issues here - telling your parents you are gay or bi and telling them you are into bdsm.  For the first, as long as you are no longer finanacially dependent on them, I'd just bite the bullet and tell them.  They may already be aware; some parents know long before their children tell them.

For the second, I don't see that they need to know exactly the nature of that interest in men.  Chances are, they won't really want to know, at least until they have processed the first part.  They may never want to know.  I wouldn't tell them anything until and unless they ask questions.

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RE: Telling family - 9/20/2006 1:39:19 PM   
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Well i can give you a situation of what happened with my cousin when he came out to his folks.  Just to give one perspective to prepare you for your journey.  You are going to need to surround yourself with supportive friends as well as your Master.
 
He was 23 when he made the descision, after realizing who he was since about the age of 14.  At first he figured there was no need for them to know, or for him to stress over it while he was young.  However, there came a time when he found another who he wanted to spend the rest of his life with.  It included a move to Toronto, he lived in Maryland, and was surrounded by family and friends that he would have to leave should he decide to make the move.  It took him over a year to make the descision to go forward with the move. 
 
One evening, he had his parents and some close relatives over for a visit.  Not uncommon, we all used to hang out at his place from time to time.  He walked up to the center of the living room and said he had an announcement to make.  Now his family had been harping on him for over 3 years as to when he was going to meet a *girl* and se.tle down.  Before he even finished, his parents jumped up and were congratulating him! It was awkward to say the least.  So my sister who was privy to his gender preference, asked aunt and uncle to sit down and lets hear the rest of it.  So he continued to say he met someone...and how much he loved and enjoyed being with this person.  i remember his dad asking what was *her* name.  He answered and said "Josh".  Everyone went silent.  Then his mom said well, that is an odd name for a girl, isn't it?  Everyone got a chuckle, and that is when he said "i'm serious about Josh and we are moving to Toronto where his business is."  His dad got upset and walked out, saying he didn't want to hear anymore, and his mom cried and told him she still loved him no matter what wrong he has done, while being dragged out by her husband.  The rest of us basically knew for a while, with the exception of another aunt and uncle and one cousin.
 
It has been over 5 years and his father will still not acknowledge him.  He lost half of the support from some of the folks on his dad's side, but has the devotion of his mother and most of us on her side.
 
Fortunately he and josh are still together and thriving.  It was very painful for he and his dad were very close up to that point.  None of us knows if his father will ever come around, even just a little, and his dad refuses to see or talk to anyone about it.
 
It all depends on the mindset of those who love you, and how far they will go in that love, understanding and acceptance of who you are. The question is, how ready you are for this.  It was deeply painful for my cousin, and still hurts him in some areas of family and lost connections, etc.  But he wanted his happiness with Josh above anything else.  He was willing to take that risk, and had spent time in preparation for the worst.
 
In another area, he said he needed to free himself of the load and just get it over with.  He knew his dad would take it hard, but he didn't expect 5 years of silence.  His dad has never met Josh, nor does he wish to.  He is dealing with it, and does not regret getting that load off his chest, for now he has nothing to hide and is free to be himself.  He said the most important thing for him was to be free and no longer worry about hiding, and that out weighed family acceptance for him at the time. 
 
You have to know for sure that you are ready and prepare for whatever may come.  Talking to a professional may help, but in the end, it is in knowing that you have the strength, will, determinaton, and confidence to get through whatever your family will say to you, and not let them knock your self esteem for a loop.  For sometimes the cuts are very deep.  With my cousin, some of my relatives brought up all sorts of stuff from the past, and he was bombarded with constant questions, and having to explain painful memories and childhood lies.  Others made cruel jokes and taunts, mainly on his dad's side of the family.  His mom even asked him why he never confided in her sooner, all sorts of abstract thoughts, negative name calling and other shit that he had to deal with for a good two years before everyone settled down a bit and got used to it.
 
For the most part, about half accepted him and remain close and supportive, and the other half didn't, still don't, doesn't ever want to, and basically wrote him off.
 
Hope this helps on some level.  My best to you.

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RE: Telling family - 9/20/2006 1:39:25 PM   
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First, this is a lot like the coming out process that homosexuals have to deal with as well.

Secondly, make sure that you are prepared to handle questions and reactions that might come at you. Sometimes they might be ok with it, sometimes they might be confused, or angry or worried or other things- make sure you can handle whatever is going to be thrown at you.

Next, decide whether you think they are ready for you to come out to them. I'm out to my sister but not to my mother. I doubt I ever will come out t my mom. It's not so much about my own privacy, but about her comfort level. I don't need her to know about me being owned property in order for my relationship to be healthy with her.

Next, on a person by person basis, pick good timing. Holidays are not good. If you're telling casual friends, then do it at a party or some place where youa re being casual. If you are telling a best friend or relative, leave privacy and space to talk.

Your OWN attitude will shine through more than anything you actually say. Keep it simple, keep it generic, keep it nilla-friendly at first, and show that you are happy with this choice. Make sure that you project an attitude of confidence and sincerity. They don't have to understand the relationship as long as they understand it makes you happy.

And give it time. Coming out is a PROCESS, it rarely happens all in one bunch. The more practice you get at coming out, the easier it gets.

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RE: Telling family - 9/20/2006 2:20:06 PM   
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I do not know from what you have written but it does sound like you have not come to terms with your own orientation both sexual and D/s. I would also like to reccomend you see a thearapist  to help you work thru your issues. I am pretty sure a therapist would tell you until you get squared away yourself you are probably not in any condition to tell your family, unless of course you know they will be very understanding and supportive which I am guessing you do not know.

Take care and no problem usually solves itself. The first step is knowing and you are off to a great start.

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RE: Telling family - 9/20/2006 3:10:40 PM   
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I would definately suggest seeing a therapist.  They can be a huge help is knowing "when is the right time."  However, it's ultimately your decision and I hope that it goes well, no matter how you decide to handle things.

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RE: Telling family - 9/20/2006 3:37:45 PM   
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Just an update:

I'm about 3000 miles out of my element here but I am doing what I can to find a LGBT center in your area so that you have a better chance of finding a therapist who is experienced with transsexuals. In your case you really need to make sure that the therapists has experience with all types of gender issues so that you are not faced with someone who is trying to "fix" you.

In comment to the story that was offered... it is very sad but true that family is capable of turning their back on you. Even I lost contact with family members when I got involved with my partner. Well this is my life & it is my choice as to how I live it & who I live it with. I've been a grown woman & on my own for well over 20 yrs & not once did I get the cold shoulder like this from any of them when I partnered with someone that could definitely be considered less than desirable.

People fear what they don't know or understand but you can't make them understand, they have to want to.

Too often they wrap themselves up in that warm comfortable blanket of denial. They get so comfortable in it that time goes by & all they recall was that initial shock & that is enough to make them wrap up even more snug.

I don't have an answer for that one... sometimes I want to just get in my families face & make them accept this but then again... do I really want to put that kind of stress in my life. I've actually had far less drama since we haven't been on speaking terms.

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RE: Telling family - 9/20/2006 3:41:24 PM   
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Angelwingrazor,

the only thing that I can add to what has already been said here is what my experiences with this have been on these two important issues, from both sides of the fence. Fortunately, my family in all of its weird different little ways, is a very accepting and understanding and supportive family. My self, sister, and brother have made it our mission to heal and keep together the family that our ancestors let crumble for all of the old fashioned, backward thinking, selfish, sick reasons that seperated our aunts and uncles and families. We do this as a nurturing safe place not just for ourselves but for our future generations.  People and children grow best in an atmosphere of accepance and unconditional love tempered with respect for self and each other. First, let me say that I have been in the bdsm life for over 20 years as a submissive, and as of late I have moved on to a deeply comited slave relationship. Second, I had and raised alone for nearly 30 years, my 4 children. All are adults now. Each in his/her own way have taken the testing of my ability to flex and accept to depths and hights that I never expected. One is gay, one is married to a lady my age, one is Muslim(i'm jewish), one is cute and sweet but twisted. There is nothing that any of them could ever do or become that would make me turn from them and not be their mom. If it could, it would have happen during puberty. I won't tell them that they are right when they are not. I don't harbor any illusions or fantasies about who or what they are. They are my children, my flesh and blood, my life, my past, my present, and a huge part of my future. Our home was always loving and accepting. I had/have close gay friends,  and race, religion, age, were never things that my children saw me judge people on. We believe that you judge a person on their integraty and ethics. There were always bdsm freindly references and decorations or jewelry in the home environment. In his teens, one of my sons gave me a poster from a Schwinn bicycle ad. It was a shot of a nicely equipt dungeon wall with a mountain bike hanging in the center. The caption said "Ah, lifes little pleasures." Now this boy knew his mom, without a doubt. I still have that poster. When my children were finally adults, I decided to pursue a Master/slave relationship because now my life is free enough to dedicate myself that fully. And yes, they know. As do the rest of my family and freinds, parents and grandparents have passed on. I have had deep long discussions with a couple of members of the family to help them understand the reasons for my choices and to help them better understand the nature of the life itself. I wanted them to understand that Sadisim and Compasion can and do exist in some people. I do this soley for their comfort level and piece of mind. The fact that my first Doms and Dommes that trained me early on were buisness and medical professionals gave my sister in law a whole new perspective. I let any Man/Master/Dom/Sir that is interested in me know imeadiately of this relationship with my family. I explain my dating protocal right from the start. I do this to accomplish  two things. For one I want the person who is considering me to know exactly how deep my ability to comit to someone and how open I will be with them is. I am so happy to say that the people that I have met that were serious had no problem with it. Its almost a way to tell the players and hng's from the real life bdsm people. Another reason I am so insistant about safety is because i don't ever want anyone that I love and cherish to get that phone call, to come identify a body, that no one should ever have to get. This is the only way that I know of to give them piece of mind. Plus, I have stood with and behind each and every one of them in their hours of questionable acceptability over the decades. Now its my turn and, yes, I do expect the same in return. Someone can tell you speak the truth and let the cards fall where they may. Or they can tell you that other peoples opinions don't matter and its not their buisness. In my mind, if you love someone and value them, and they love you, it is their buisness and yours too. Orcourse this is all easy for me to say. I come from a place that is known for its less than conservative natural environment. We have been known for our live and let live and cast your cares to the wind, party, celebrate life, attitude. And I would not change any of it; except the crooked politicians. I don't know you or your dad. Its my guess, depending on his age and upbringing, that his inability to accept your choices may very well be because he feels like he failed you someplace as a man and a father. That there is some direction he did not lead you in that you needed. Its just a guess. My hugs and praises to your mom. My daughter never appreshated me so much until she realized that she was gay( after a failed marriage and two kids), and could proudly tell anyone in that lifestyle that would listen. " My mama loves me, she is not going anywhere." And know in her heart of hearts it is true. Whats important to me is that my childrens relationships are healthy, happy, nurturing, and positive. Can anyone ask more for their child, parent, loved one. Your loved ones who accept and understand are to ones who matter. The others, I'm sad to say, its their loss. But I will say, we never know what the future will bring. And no matter what his family members say, always extend the olive branch to your dad, and always make sure that he knows that you are open to him at any time, and that you love him and he matters. As he hears and sees you happy, safe, doing well, and loved sincerely, it may move his heart in a more positive direction. As long as you both live, the possibility for understanding and change exists. Death is the only true unbeatable adversary. But, that has always been my philosophy on life. Its yet to prove me wrong. Sorry that this is so wordy. I hope that some of it helped. My best wishes and hopes for good luck in your future and relationship.


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RE: Telling family - 9/20/2006 5:10:16 PM   
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Thank you to all of you, it really has help me put a bit into perspective. I really should see a therapist, i'm just the kind whom denies that i need help, but with every sign pointing to that, it looks like i should. once again, thanks for the advice and the concern.

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RE: Telling family - 9/20/2006 5:38:04 PM   
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Master and I live in Australia, my family are in New Zealand (mother, brother and my two grown kids). They do not know that I am in a D/s relationship or that I'm bisexual. I figure they do not need to know - it does not impact on them in any way, and they know I have been in a very happy and loving relationship for the past 2 1/2 years.

It is not likely that my mother will make the trip here (she doesn't keep good health) and Master is unable to travel due to health reasons so He will not travel to NZ with me if I ever go back to visit. My kids are coming over for our wedding in December - my 18yo daughter visited earlier this year for a month and we toned things down (put toys away and restricted any sessions to purely sexual). The dynamic was visible but we played it as me just being an attentive and loving spouse. I don't call Him Master except when we are scening so that didn't even come up, though we did joke with her about Him being The Master (she rolled her eyes and said "yeah sure" )

If any questions are asked of course I am going to be honest with them, but it's not necessary for us to tell them "just because".

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RE: Telling family - 9/20/2006 9:51:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: angelwingrazor

um, greetings. I'm a young, somewhat-experienced male slave. Lately, i've been coming under much stress because while i'm looking for a position, i have no idea how to tell my family. It's not just this lifestyle, i also have a case of gender dysphoria and they have nooo idea i like men o_o.

So this is a question for all of you who've dealt with the same: How did you do it and what should i do?


I've never told my 'nilla family, and I won't. It's none of their business, just as the intimate details of their relationships aren't any of mine.

You don't need to tell all with family, especially if you are also going to need to tell them about your sexual/gender identity at some point.

Some people believe that being trans is nothing more than a fetish so telling them can only serve to make them doubt you more if they have a negative reaction.

That's my 2 cents worth.

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RE: Telling family - 9/20/2006 9:56:06 PM   
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Yeah. I HATE it when people mistake my identity for a fetish -_-

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RE: Telling family - 9/20/2006 10:23:47 PM   
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Well.. unlike some others... I don't really think you need to see a therapist. I told my parents that I was bisexual when I was in middle school. I'm not sure they knew what to make of it since I was so young. But I have always been bisexual and they soon noticed it wasn't just a phase.

I came out to my mother, and then slowly the rest of the family about being both a Domme and polyamorous, since I was starting a relationship with a second submissive.

For me it was about integrity. I wanted to be open and honest about who I am. I am secure enough, and a good enough person I am well aware that those who love me and are important to me would support anything I chose to do. They would accept me, love me and respect my choices.

I don't think this is because of any specialness to them, or even really me... I think its mostly about the fact that I have a pattern of being honest and open about who I am for my entire life. I never really had to debate about whether to tell someone something that I wanted them to know about me.

I think you are the only one who knows how your own circle will react, and how you should approach it. Being honest and acting like (and believing it) that this was totally rational and healthy for me was my ideal approach. People had questions and I answered them honestly and simply. I thought it was best not to overwhelm them with a lot at once, but to give them time to process their feelings. I personally told people in casual, one on one situations, and I would recommend this to others too.

Best of luck.

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