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How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 8:33:42 AM   
bella1980


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I've never been in a BDSM relationship, and have never met someone who was.

It is pretty new for me and I am exploring....

I've been in another site, and while reading the forums, got very scared with one of the posts. It had 7 girls talking how they were raped, or abused (some non-consensual act), and after all, could not do anything, because the Dom used the argument that had proof that they were submissive or masochist, so he did what they "wanted". 2 of them went to the Police, but had a horrible experience trying to proof it had been non-consensual...

How do I know when to meet a dom? how do I protect myself, and make sure he will stop, if the moment comes?
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RE: How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 8:42:33 AM   
toservez


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Very tough and important question to ask yourself. I am personally very impressed. I am sure there are a lot of previous links on this issue but my advice for what it is worth is to move slowly and take your sweet time before going to the next step in everything. Treat finding a person in this area just like you were finding a boyfriend and move with that speed or slower. Do not put yourself in any position until you want to be in that position and you know and trust the person as much as you can.

Any real dominant person will be concerned for your feelings, safety and want to build trust and will take their time and not try to force you to make decisions you are not ready for. For those who do, just walk away.



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RE: How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 8:42:51 AM   
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Take courses in self defense.

Master96,

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RE: How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 8:46:26 AM   
MasterFireMaam


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Meeting a Dom is the same as meeting a regular date. These things are usually recommended:
  1. Meet in a public place.
  2. Make sure someone knows where you are and, if you change places, where you're going.
  3. Set up a safe call where you call a friend at a certain time as well as when you get home so that they know you're ok. Beforehand, let them know who you are meeting (you should have a real name before you meet and a decent picture).
  4. Make sure you have a contact number for the person you're meeting (most people have cell numbers these days). Call it before meeting to make sure it's the person you're meeting.
  5. Don't go somewhere private on the first date.
  6. If you feel at all uneasy with the person, follow your gut.
  7. The first time you play (or even the first few times), do it in a public setting (meaning at a local group).
  8. Don't accept a collar right away and certainly don't move in right away. You wouldn't get engaged within a month's time, usually, nor would you go to live with a boyfriend in a short amount of time either.
  9. Really look for someone who is a match for what you want and need. Don't settle. Yes, this will make your search longer. It's worth it in the end.
Best of luck and welcome!

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RE: How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 8:46:44 AM   
ToGiveDivine


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toservez,

you should teach classes in being a female submissive to other female submissives, what to do and not do, what to look for, etc.

You are incredibly insightful in all of your posts - kudos to you

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RE: How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 8:50:42 AM   
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I know that you will most likely be bombarded by suggestions of Mentors/Protectors and Safewords and Safecalls....to all of that I say...pfffffttttt. There are far too many that want to Protect their way into your pants. Safewords and Safecalls will not help you if you have made a poor decision and find yourself bound and at the hands of a psychopath.

Understand from the beginning that the world of BDSM is really no different than the vanilla world. You are not going to find some supreme group of more honorable, more honest or more trustworthy people here than you will anywhere else. If anything, you will find that this realm, especially where newbies are concerned,  provides fertile ground for predators who are looking for easy prey. Too often new submissives get right in line to volunteer to be someone's victim.

The best way to protect yourself is to use all of the tools you have available. Common sense...keep it finely honed. Don't make quick decisions....make informed ones. Let your head be your guide...not your hormones. LISTEN to your inner voice....if it tells you something is not quite right....don't second guess it. Take your time! Get to know the people you interact with well....before you are naked and bound.

Come on in, the water is fine....but keep in mind that there are as many sharks here as there are on any other beach.

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RE: How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 8:51:39 AM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Well, first and foremost, make surey ou can trust your judgement to know how to stay away from assholes and abusers.

Secondly, if you feel you won't be able to prosecute a dom or someone if they do something to you because you can't reveal your kink side, then you really just shouldn't go there at all.

However, there are lots of resources out there for people in these situations, organizations to support alt life choices and their legal actions, and believe me that people won't believe you just because you are a submissive.  Consent is still consent.

Just be smart and LEARN before making decisions- decide on information and strength, not fear and ignorance.

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RE: How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 8:52:25 AM   
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1.  Meet in a public place with a friend like at a coffee shop.
2.  Make him sign a contract as to what you will permit and what you won't.
    For example: First session to last no more than two hours.  There will be
    no anal or genital contact.  Someone will call you during those two hours,
    if you don't answer after 100 rings they will send the police.  They will pick
    you up.  You will be whipped no more than 15 times.  He will not do
    anything to cause a scar, or cause a permament mark to the skin. 
3.  Get a copy of the guys driver's license.  Know where he works. 
4.  Have someone in the scene go with you.
5.  Make clear to him your limits.  Have him sign a paper acknowledging
    these limits. 
6.  Have long discussions with him, and find out what kind of person he
    is, what kind of morals he has, what kind of respect he has for sub's limits.
7.  Have safe words. Make your safe words part of your contract.  But make
    it clear that he will not exceed any of your limits even if you do not use
    your safe word.

See what kind of friends he keeps. 



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RE: How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 8:54:52 AM   
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A ‘safe call’ is defined as a person or persons of you’re choosing who you have entrusted with your personal safety while visiting or meeting a third party. This person (or persons) has access to all of the information in regards to your trip, the person you are meeting, as well as your personal information. This person should live within a practical distance of where you will be staying. You must have complete trust in this person as they will need access to very personal information about yourself and the person/s whom you are meeting. Do not have your safety call chosen for you!
If you have the slightest doubt that a person can not or will not be able to handle the responsibilities of a safe call, DO NOT use them. Being a safe call is NOT a responsibility to be taken lightly. They are responsible for the your personal safety and well being. They may be required at any point in time to drop everything to come to your aid, or give up Saturday night plans with friends to wait by the phone. In a worse case situation, they literally have information which may save your life. Therefore, to put it bluntly, your life may be in their hands. Be honest with yourself and all parties involved. Watch for ‘Red Flags’, which are early signs that you may be putting yourself at risk.


Medical
Medical Documentation-Be prepared to present and ask for medical documentation of state of health. Someone serious about you would be willing to provide this as well. (Example: Have a full check-up and STD check before you leave, ask your doctor to provide the documentation in written form on letterhead and ask the same of your partner. Better to be embarrassed asking for this, than risk your life. Someone who truly cares for you WILL PROVIDE this information. ( If they do not, that is a major red flag. Do not continue.)
Health Insurance-Carry health insurance at all times. You never know when accidents may happen, both in a scene and outside of it. Healthcare can be extremely expensive if you are not covered for the area in which you are staying. Even the most practiced  lifestyler can have accidents.


Personal Information
Photographs-Give your safe call a photo of yourself, and of the person whom you’re meeting. Where possible have your partner’s passport information, driver’s permit info or social security (social insurance) number. (Example: In the event that police or other authorities must be involved it is important you have an up to date photograph to show them. If your partner does not provide this, this is a red flag. Do not continue any further. )
Travel Plans-Give your safe call information on how you are getting there, and a timeline. Make phone calls at each destination so they know where you are at all times (Example: If you are traveling by plane, call before you depart, and when you arrive. Call them when you arrive at your destination. If you are going out for the night to a club, call again and let them know.)
Next of Kin-Give your safe call next of kin information, as well as the number for local police. In case your safe call can not get a hold of you they can inform your next of kin as well as local authorities, having a recent photograph as well as personal information of your partner is a must in these situations.
Customs Agents-When you are traveling, if you must go through customs bring with you a copy of information on who you are going to see, where and how long you will be there. They may call to verify this information. DO NOT tell them you have met this person online. Make up a story if you must. (College room-mate, family etc.) Do not pack items such as toys that you can not easily replace. Remove batteries from your sex toys.  Some items may not be allowed on planes. Go early. You may request that security search your bags privately, or early enough to avoid embarrassment.


Safety First
Public Place-Always meet in a public place, or neutral territory. This gives you a chance to ‘feel them out’ and listen to your instincts. A public place allows for a certain comfort level as well it is much easier to avoid situations which might cause a ‘scene’ and draw attention. Worse case, there are numerous people around to call on for help. For safety reasons, this is a must. (If they refuse this is a red flag, do not continue.)
Instincts-Trust your gut. If it says go, then go. We all have instincts and that ‘gut feeling’ about someone. If your instincts say something isn’t right, it’s best to be safe. I would rather apologize to someone for having to leave, and seeming rude than put myself in a dangerous situation. If your partner truly cares they will understand.
Telephone-Carry a cell phone, even if you have to borrow one, do not depend on someone else’s phone or a public telephone. (Example: If you need to leave quickly, or your safe call must get a hold of you ASAP using someone’s house phone may not be practical. A payphone may not be nearby or you may not have change.)
Code Words/Passwords-Make up code words and specific times you will call or your safe call will call you. Try to personalize this as much as possible so your partner isn’t aware of your code words/passwords. (Example: Safe call will call you three hours after your arrival. They may ask you a question, based on previously agreed on code, your answer tells them your comfort level. “Safe Call- “What colour of dress should I wear on my date tonight?” Red=Come and Get me NOW Yellow=I’m uncomfortable but ok, call me again shortly, Green=Everything is great, no need to worry)
Alternative Accommodations-Set up a secondary place to stay just in case you are not comfortable with your original arrangements. You are not obligated to stay where you are not comfortable. If for any reason you feel you must leave, it is a good idea to have an alternative place to stay.
Panic Kit-Carry a pouch which contains everything you will need in the event of an emergency. Credit cards, travel cheques or cash if you must. Write the name of your safe call down, as well as their address, phone number and directions. Add  any other important information you might need. Remember to plan for the Panic factor. You may blank out, having the info written down helps. (Example: Something unexpected happens, or you must leave quickly, you panic, and can’t remember where to go or who to call. You have the means to get to your safe call or sit in a public place, or perhaps get a hotel room for the night. Even if you blank out and panic in a situation you have all of the information on hand and don’t have to think on the spot)

Sex and Scenes
Obligation-Remember meeting does not obligate you to have sex, or scene. Just because you or your partner have invested time and money in meeting it does not in any way make you obligated to do or be anything for them. This happens more often than we would care to believe. (If you are feeling pressured, this is a red flag, do not continue.)
Scenes-Never do a bondage scene or hard play at the beginning of a relationship. You do not want to be in a situation where either your judgment is impaired or your ability to get to your safe call is impaired. No matter how much you trust them online, offline you should treat the situation as it is in reality. You do not know them, and trust must be earned. ( If they pressure you into hard play, this is a red flag. Do not continue.) (Example: You have been tied to the bed, something goes wrong how do you escape?)
Limits-Have a written set of limits or D.s application. You wouldn’t allow a doctor to operate on you without your medical history. Do not scene with anyone who does not know your limits. What may not be a limit to you, may be a hard limit with me. As well it helps to know what you enjoy and what you don’t. What you have experience with and what you do not. A first meeting is not the time to explore a new kink/fetish/limit.
Be Prepared- In cases where a scene may be possible, remember to either carry your own supplies, or be prepared to buy them. Do NOT use any props or toys that are not your own, or have not been purchased while you are there. Remember to bring items such as condoms, dental dams, lubrication, rubber gloves, or any other such medical saftey item. Even if you do not think a scene may happen, be prepared for it. You do NOT want to use the excuse “well it just happened” later. Be prepared for anything.


Written by: Milady Silvermoon -04/30/04-

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RE: How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 8:57:17 AM   
LadyJulieAnn


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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I know that you will most likely be bombarded by suggestions of Mentors/Protectors and Safewords and Safecalls....to all of that I say...pfffffttttt. There are far too many that want to Protect their way into your pants. Safewords and Safecalls will not help you if you have made a poor decision and find yourself bound and at the hands of a psychopath.

Understand from the beginning that the world of BDSM is really no different than the vanilla world. You are not going to find some supreme group of more honorable, more honest or more trustworthy people here than you will anywhere else. If anything, you will find that this realm, especially where newbies are concerned,  provides fertile ground for predators who are looking for easy prey. Too often new submissives get right in line to volunteer to be someone's victim.

The best way to protect yourself is to use all of the tools you have available. Common sense...keep it finely honed. Don't make quick decisions....make informed ones. Let your head be your guide...not your hormones. LISTEN to your inner voice....if it tells you something is not quite right....don't second guess it. Take your time! Get to know the people you interact with well....before you are naked and bound.

Come on in, the water is fine....but keep in mind that there are as many sharks here as there are on any other beach.


Good advice. 

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RE: How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 9:40:13 AM   
Argentopal


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All of the above is great advice.  I would add these ideas:

If you just cannot "play in public" ie at a local group party or even a smaller private party hosted by soneone you actually know the first time, tell the potential dom that you will have a friend with you at the first TWO public meetings for coffee or dinner.  Pay your own way those time, do not alllow youself into the trap of "oweing them" anything.  Also tell them that a freind will be present the first time you play.  They do not have to be in the same room, but in the same house or hotel room.  If a dominant is uncomfortable then tell them you are sorry, but since you are new, you must insist on feeling totally safe.  No dom worth their whips will say no.  Safecalls are good and all, but if your safe call person is across town and you are tied up ... well, a lot can happen befre they could get help to you.  Do not let yourself be bullied or pushed into anything, any dome that says "a REAL submissive would ____(fill in the blank)" is not worth dealing with.  Above all, as others have said ... trust your gut, maybe even the gut of a friend - if it feels hinky, get out!

Alos going to a few local munches will enable you to meet real folks, make friends, ask questions, and in general get your feet wet in a safer enviroment.

Good luck, and I hope you have fun, it is an exciting journey you are embarking on!

MsOpal

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RE: How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 9:47:16 AM   
Celeste43


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How do you know when you meet someone at a friend's party or at a club that they are safe? You don't. You discover this by not immediately jumping into their car and go home with them to have unprotected sex. Instead you exchange phone numbers and you have conversations. You agree to meet for dinner, or coffee, or lunch. You see if he shows up on time, does he listen when you talk or does he assume he can monopolize the conversation. Does he pay attention to you or does he ogle every female in sight instead. You judge from his actions whether or not you want to date him a second time. Just because you're submissive doesn't mean you have to immediately scene, have sex or both. You go at a pace you feel comfortable with.

Now even with this, you will find people who will hurt you. I'm assuming you have dated someone for a period of time, become emotionally involved and yet still been hurt when things broke up. Nothing new here, you will have relationships that may not lead to forever and you risk being hurt. But you risk being hurt when you leave a bar in the car of someone else also.

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RE: How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 9:47:56 AM   
Dnomyar


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2 points.  1. First time play in a public place.  Get real. A lot of people are just comming out and because of work or other reasons they are not going to even think of playing in public. 2. Don't let him do bondage on you. I've had several subs who were very into bondage and asked for it on the first meet.  My advice is to have Patience and take as much time as you can to get to know the person before you meet them. Then take that information with a grain of salt until you finally meet them in a public place. Rely on your gut feeling. Go in with eyes open and don't expect anything. It may not work out or you may end up with a friend.

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RE: How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 9:51:56 AM   
greeneyesub65


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Bella,
I'm sort of a newbie email me at my collar me email. Master Fire gave fantasic advice. the newbies need to talk and talk and listen also. I've made alot of mistakes and can share some with you to save you some newbie oops. take care,    greeneyesub65 

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RE: How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 12:28:02 PM   
Noah


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Silvermoon

A ‘safe call’ is defined as a person or persons of you’re choosing who you have entrusted with your personal safety while visiting or meeting a third party. This person (or persons) has access to all of the information in regards to your trip, the person you are meeting, as well as your personal information. This person should live within a practical distance of where you will be staying. You must have complete trust in this person as they will need access to very personal information about yourself and the person/s whom you are meeting. Do not have your safety call chosen for you!
If you have the slightest doubt that a person can not or will not be able to handle the responsibilities of a safe call, DO NOT use them. Being a safe call is NOT a responsibility to be taken lightly. They are responsible for the your personal safety and well being. They may be required at any point in time to drop everything to come to your aid, or give up Saturday night plans with friends to wait by the phone. In a worse case situation, they literally have information which may save your life. Therefore, to put it bluntly, your life may be in their hands. Be honest with yourself and all parties involved. Watch for ‘Red Flags’, which are early signs that you may be putting yourself at risk.


Medical
Medical Documentation-Be prepared to present and ask for medical documentation of state of health. Someone serious about you would be willing to provide this as well. (Example: Have a full check-up and STD check before you leave, ask your doctor to provide the documentation in written form on letterhead and ask the same of your partner. Better to be embarrassed asking for this, than risk your life. Someone who truly cares for you WILL PROVIDE this information. ( If they do not, that is a major red flag. Do not continue.)
Health Insurance-Carry health insurance at all times. You never know when accidents may happen, both in a scene and outside of it. Healthcare can be extremely expensive if you are not covered for the area in which you are staying. Even the most practiced  lifestyler can have accidents.


Personal Information
Photographs-Give your safe call a photo of yourself, and of the person whom you’re meeting. Where possible have your partner’s passport information, driver’s permit info or social security (social insurance) number. (Example: In the event that police or other authorities must be involved it is important you have an up to date photograph to show them. If your partner does not provide this, this is a red flag. Do not continue any further. )
Travel Plans-Give your safe call information on how you are getting there, and a timeline. Make phone calls at each destination so they know where you are at all times (Example: If you are traveling by plane, call before you depart, and when you arrive. Call them when you arrive at your destination. If you are going out for the night to a club, call again and let them know.)
Next of Kin-Give your safe call next of kin information, as well as the number for local police. In case your safe call can not get a hold of you they can inform your next of kin as well as local authorities, having a recent photograph as well as personal information of your partner is a must in these situations.
Customs Agents-When you are traveling, if you must go through customs bring with you a copy of information on who you are going to see, where and how long you will be there. They may call to verify this information. DO NOT tell them you have met this person online. Make up a story if you must. (College room-mate, family etc.) Do not pack items such as toys that you can not easily replace. Remove batteries from your sex toys.  Some items may not be allowed on planes. Go early. You may request that security search your bags privately, or early enough to avoid embarrassment.


Safety First
Public Place-Always meet in a public place, or neutral territory. This gives you a chance to ‘feel them out’ and listen to your instincts. A public place allows for a certain comfort level as well it is much easier to avoid situations which might cause a ‘scene’ and draw attention. Worse case, there are numerous people around to call on for help. For safety reasons, this is a must. (If they refuse this is a red flag, do not continue.)
Instincts-Trust your gut. If it says go, then go. We all have instincts and that ‘gut feeling’ about someone. If your instincts say something isn’t right, it’s best to be safe. I would rather apologize to someone for having to leave, and seeming rude than put myself in a dangerous situation. If your partner truly cares they will understand.
Telephone-Carry a cell phone, even if you have to borrow one, do not depend on someone else’s phone or a public telephone. (Example: If you need to leave quickly, or your safe call must get a hold of you ASAP using someone’s house phone may not be practical. A payphone may not be nearby or you may not have change.)
Code Words/Passwords-Make up code words and specific times you will call or your safe call will call you. Try to personalize this as much as possible so your partner isn’t aware of your code words/passwords. (Example: Safe call will call you three hours after your arrival. They may ask you a question, based on previously agreed on code, your answer tells them your comfort level. “Safe Call- “What colour of dress should I wear on my date tonight?” Red=Come and Get me NOW Yellow=I’m uncomfortable but ok, call me again shortly, Green=Everything is great, no need to worry)
Alternative Accommodations-Set up a secondary place to stay just in case you are not comfortable with your original arrangements. You are not obligated to stay where you are not comfortable. If for any reason you feel you must leave, it is a good idea to have an alternative place to stay.
Panic Kit-Carry a pouch which contains everything you will need in the event of an emergency. Credit cards, travel cheques or cash if you must. Write the name of your safe call down, as well as their address, phone number and directions. Add  any other important information you might need. Remember to plan for the Panic factor. You may blank out, having the info written down helps. (Example: Something unexpected happens, or you must leave quickly, you panic, and can’t remember where to go or who to call. You have the means to get to your safe call or sit in a public place, or perhaps get a hotel room for the night. Even if you blank out and panic in a situation you have all of the information on hand and don’t have to think on the spot)

Sex and Scenes
Obligation-Remember meeting does not obligate you to have sex, or scene. Just because you or your partner have invested time and money in meeting it does not in any way make you obligated to do or be anything for them. This happens more often than we would care to believe. (If you are feeling pressured, this is a red flag, do not continue.)
Scenes-Never do a bondage scene or hard play at the beginning of a relationship. You do not want to be in a situation where either your judgment is impaired or your ability to get to your safe call is impaired. No matter how much you trust them online, offline you should treat the situation as it is in reality. You do not know them, and trust must be earned. ( If they pressure you into hard play, this is a red flag. Do not continue.) (Example: You have been tied to the bed, something goes wrong how do you escape?)
Limits-Have a written set of limits or D.s application. You wouldn’t allow a doctor to operate on you without your medical history. Do not scene with anyone who does not know your limits. What may not be a limit to you, may be a hard limit with me. As well it helps to know what you enjoy and what you don’t. What you have experience with and what you do not. A first meeting is not the time to explore a new kink/fetish/limit.
Be Prepared- In cases where a scene may be possible, remember to either carry your own supplies, or be prepared to buy them. Do NOT use any props or toys that are not your own, or have not been purchased while you are there. Remember to bring items such as condoms, dental dams, lubrication, rubber gloves, or any other such medical saftey item. Even if you do not think a scene may happen, be prepared for it. You do NOT want to use the excuse “well it just happened” later. Be prepared for anything.


Written by: Milady Silvermoon -04/30/04-


You can't be prepared for anything. It seems to me very dangerous to lull yourself into the complacency of thinking that you ever have.

In my view, any conceivable meeting which inspires in you the feeling that you need to engage in all of this secret agent crap is a meeting that shouldn't ever happen, unless you happen to be a secret agent and matters of compelling national interest are at stake.

Any person who would seem to require such extensive preparations to meet is someone you should stay far away from permanently. Anyone who would seem to require even half of this this stuff is someone you shouldn't meet at least until you've developed the degree of judgement which will allow you to assume responsibility for your own safety rather than rely on a bunch of externalities such as a byzantine list of Always and Never rules which, at the end of the day, any reasonably clever person with evil intentions could circumvent anyway.



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RE: How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 1:19:50 PM   
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Noah, I don't disagree with you. But let's face it..not everyone has/listens to, common sense. I don't promote meeting people you don't know, and I ESPECIALLY don't promote playing with them or having sex with them. And, in my area, women HAVE gone missing and some have been found. Too late. Overall purpose of that article, think ahead, be as prepared as you can, take responsibility for your safety.

"Be honest with yourself and all parties involved. Watch for ‘Red Flags’, which are early signs that you may be putting yourself at risk. "

People don't always make safe and sane choices. And many people 'jump into things'. If you're going to. It's good advice, Better advice is STAY HOME. But they don't listen now do they?

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RE: How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 1:42:43 PM   
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You have to know and trust who you are seeing. Easy. It takes time.

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RE: How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 2:12:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Silvermoon

Noah, I don't disagree with you. But let's face it..not everyone has/listens to, common sense. I don't promote meeting people you don't know, and I ESPECIALLY don't promote playing with them or having sex with them. And, in my area, women HAVE gone missing and some have been found. Too late. Overall purpose of that article, think ahead, be as prepared as you can, take responsibility for your safety.

"Be honest with yourself and all parties involved. Watch for ‘Red Flags’, which are early signs that you may be putting yourself at risk. "

People don't always make safe and sane choices. And many people 'jump into things'. If you're going to. It's good advice, Better advice is STAY HOME. But they don't listen now do they?

Smiles

Silver


Oh for heaven's sake don't go agreeing with me. The pretty little cattle may figure out that we're trolling for victims in cahoots!

Stick to the plan or I'll make you take your steaks and chops out of my freezer.

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RE: How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 2:21:37 PM   
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I'm giggling so hard I can't see.  I clicked this thread thinking that I need to know this information.  I really read your thread as, "How to protect myself from a newbie"....as though the newb has teeth growing out of genitals and will spontaneously combust on  the first date near your flammable curtains. OMG

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RE: How to protect myself (from a newbie) - 10/3/2006 3:02:47 PM   
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*laughs*

Grab the knife and fork hon, I"ll fire up the BBQ!

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