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HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/7/2006 8:24:22 AM

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A friend of mine has 2 children, a girl age 5, and a boy who is 3. The five year old's tongue broke out with blisters and the 2 year old caught it from her because they share fountain drinks. Both children were taken to the ER when the girl complained of the problem. The ER doctor looked at the lesions, diagnosed herpes, and prescribed what he called "magic mouthwash" to clear them up. According to my friend, sores are now coming and going on both the mouth and genital regions. Neither parent had the condition, but could easily get it since it's passed through drink straws. Obviously both children are virgins. The only way the girl could have gotten it was at school. Parents who have young children in daycare should also be aware of this risk. I talked to someone else last night who doesn't even know my friend and he told me his son broke out on his tongue as well and was diagnosed the same way. I wasn't aware that herpes could be spread that easily and I was wondering if this has happened to anyone else? Also, is there any advice I can give my friend about what to tell her children when they reach dating age? What is the best way for a parent to tell a child that they can spread this condition not only by sex, but by kissing especially since doctors are now saying herpes can be spread even with no visable outbreak?

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RE: HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/7/2006 9:54:26 AM

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If they have herpes lesions on their genitals, you have to show that to a doctor. You also have to learn which kind of herpes they have--and, if you don't already know, how HSV-1 and HSV-2 differ from each other. If it turns out that they have HSV-1 (the kind that generally causes cold sores), you can talk to the children about the importance of not sharing straws and the like, but there really isn't much you can do about it, because about 75-80% of the American population has been exposed to it.

If it's HSV-2, well, then you have to have a longer talk with them.

In any case, you have to find out what's going on with the outbreak on their genitals: you have to get a doctor's opinion and also try to get the children to open up and tell everything they did with each other, because it's not normal for children of that age to have herpes outbreaks on their genitals.

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RE: HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/7/2006 11:11:31 AM

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My friend's kids wouldn't touch each other. It broke on their tongue first, then went elsewhere. She did tell me the hospital diagnosed it without labwork, but it is reoccuring. It kinds seems like a combination of both oral and genital herpes. All I know is that it started with severe tongue lesions and I've heard about it from 2 different sets of parents.

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RE: HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/7/2006 11:44:52 AM

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If they have herpes lesions on their genitals, you have to show that to a doctor. You also have to learn which kind of herpes they have--and, if you don't already know, how HSV-1 and HSV-2 differ from each other. If it turns out that they have HSV-1 (the kind that generally causes cold sores), you can talk to the children about the importance of not sharing straws and the like, but there really isn't much you can do about it, because about 75-80% of the American population has been exposed to it.

If it's HSV-2, well, then you have to have a longer talk with them.

In any case, you have to find out what's going on with the outbreak on their genitals: you have to get a doctor's opinion and also try to get the children to open up and tell everything they did with each other, because it's not normal for children of that age to have herpes outbreaks on their genitals.

O, Lam, i could not agree more. My unmentionable had the chicken pox quite early and consequently is prone to cold sores, which she can easily control. However, i knew even back then that my unmentionable did not have genital herpes and was not going to come down with it, because the viruses are different.

It seems almost unavoidable to conclude that an adult or other person has inapropriately touched these children. i am very sad to hear that.

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RE: HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/7/2006 9:14:27 PM

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Defiant:

Maybe this link will help you understand what pinkee and LAM are talking about.

Also.... you said that the sores/lesions were on the tongue.. that is more indicative of cold sores, which manifest on the tongue, inside the cheek, lower lip and gums. The HSV-1 rarely is found inside the mouth, but on the lips, and corner of the mouth.

http://www.herpes-coldsores.com/cold_sores.htm#Are_Cold_Sores_really_Herpes

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RE: HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/7/2006 11:52:01 PM

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Not necessarly... Perhaps the unmentionables suck their thumbs or poke at the sores in their mouths and then touch themselves elsewhere. It has been known to happen, and herpes will simply multiply within mucal membranes.

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RE: HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/8/2006 12:53:33 AM

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Yes, it can happen, but it's definitely something their mother/parents have to get checked out. Honestly, it doesn't seem likely that innocent thumb-sucking would be the reason why MORE THAN ONE child ended up with herpes on the genitals.

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RE: HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/8/2006 6:56:30 AM

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My cellular immune defense against virusses and cancers has been disabled and I have herpes just about everywhere, inside and out. I transferred it by hand from my lips to my penis and other places, but it also spreads along nerves (and perhaps also by the blood circulation).

Avoid sweets and nuts.

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RE: HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/8/2006 12:17:59 PM

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Rule, i am terribly sorry to hear that. You might want to ask Your pharmacist or doctor whether L-Lysine would be of use in contolling cold sores and possibly other herpes outbreaks. L-Lysine is over-the-counter and my unmentionable will take approximately 600 mgs when she feels the tingling sensation that indicates a cold sore is coming. If she catches it early enough, she avoids the cold sore altogether. We have been using it to treat her cold sores since she came down with chicken pox, 25 years ago.

mbmn is correct....W/we are not in a position to give medical advice apart from generalities by posting to a message board. However, since this has worked so well for such an intractable problem for so long, i thought i would pass it on.

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RE: HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/8/2006 2:00:33 PM

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For these past three years I have been writing a book about the herpes virusses - slowly.

My biggest problem is my inability to communicate the severity of my problem to my physician. They consider herpes an innocent disease and refuse to accept that my immune systems is partly deactivated. (I would think that suffering daily from herpes would be a convincing argument, but it is not.) So no support and no medication at all from my physician. I do not even visit her any more, have not for years, except for influenza vaccinations.

The second biggest problem is the disabled part of my immune system. It should be reactivated, but how? I have suggestions, but as my physician refuses to accept that I have a problem, she will not even try to remedy the problem. Suppose it does work, though. Then what happens? Possibly my heart is completely infected. When my cellular immune defense is reactivated, the first thing that it will do is attack all diseased heart cells, but if it kills them all, I will have no heart left and I will die.

Then there is medication. I do not get any, so I have to make do. Yes, I know about lysine. I have a jar of it standing beside me, but I have not taken any in about a year now. I did not seem to benefit from it and if I recall correctly it gave me diarrea or something.

Herpes sucks, especially in my case. It is one of the reasons I am single, despite various young and very attractive women that for unfathomable reasons are interested in me.

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RE: HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/8/2006 2:20:47 PM

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It can also be spread on wrestling mats, I have a friend whose son, and other wrestlers, contracted it that way. Sweat is a great moist environment for the virus to live in, and all a wrestler has to do is make contact with sweat left behind on the mat from an infected wrestler and he's got it. Wrestlers have their faces smooshed into the mat all the time, and an open lesion on the lips can wipe the virus right onto the mat, where it can live in sweat or saliva for hours.

It can be passed very easily between pre-school age kids. They constantly have their hands in their mouths, and the virus can be passed through saliva, too....touch something, or another kid...that kid touches it and puts his hand in his mouth.... I'm wondering where the infection came from in the original two kids. The parents aren't the only ones that have close contact with them....maybe an aunt or uncle, or grandma or grandpa kissed them? Maybe a day-care worker shared a drink, or left her cup sit unattended and they took a sip? A babysitter? It could be any number of things.

The blisters most often reappear at the site where the virus entered the body, though they live and travel around via the nervous systems. The blisters are at the nerve endings where they exit to the skin, which is why the blisters are so painful to touch (just like shingles, which is another strain of the herpes virus, herpes zoster.)

The reason it can be transmitted when no symptoms are present is because the virus "sheds" through the skin cells, even though there's no blister present. If the shed virus comes into contact with a mucous membrane and enters the body, it can be transmitted.

It isn't really all that important to know which type it is, I or II, other than for simply knowing, because both types can be located in either the oral area or the genital. Type I can occur in the genital area, and Type II can occur in the mouth and lips, they aren't exclusive to a certain area of the body. In other words, a person with Type I herpes of the mouth can have oral sex with another person, and that person can become infected in the genital region with Type I. And vice versa, if you have oral sex with someone who has Type II in the genitals, you can get Type II in the mouth region. There is no cure for either, and both are treatable with the same medicines.

These days, I've seen statistics that anywhere from 1 out of 5 to 1 out of 3 people are infected with or have been exposed to some type of herpes virus (not including chickenpox). It's actually a lot more common that most of us think, though many of those are asymptomatic (have no symptoms). And, in this day and age, it's really no cause for the hysteria and stigma it used to cause, since there is education and viral-suppressive medications available. I have heard that L-Lysine is effective at Pinkee stated.

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RE: HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/8/2006 2:25:51 PM

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Have you considered orthomolecular medicine?

I went to a fantastic physician in Los Altos, California (Robert Cathcart, MD), who cured me of issues that modern medicine did not. Of course, modern medicine frowns on orthomolecular, but there's a surprise (not).

Links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Cathcart

http://www.orthomed.com/

http://www.orthomolecular.org/

Regarding the little ones, I suspect it's a matter of hand-to-genetalia. It is common for children to have their hands in both places.

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RE: HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/8/2006 7:09:33 PM

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Herpes...hmmm...For a long time I had wondered about lesions in certain areas. I went to the docs and was told I didn't have it. But I wondered and was further tested since my mom has it. Yet I came back clean. For years as a kid I didn't understand why my mom told me, don't wash that stuff over there and DON'T TOUCH IT... Well she finally explained it to me and showed me the cold sore. There is so much about herpes out there and yet its rarely brought up. As for my lesions...it is believed to be HPV although its unknown how I contracted it. At first doctors thought I contracted it through sex, but that was a problem on its own. One I started having lesions at 15...when I lived with my mom and step-dad. Two I was still at virgin at 22. So with that knowledge the docs started wondering and had my family tested. And what do you know...my mom and step-dad had HPV. My doctor is now seeing if HPV can possibly be passed on through other means besides direct sexual contact. And now that my step-dad has come down with Hepititis B there is even more concern. As for the children with herpes...I am sorry that has happened. I know it is something that will take alot of work to arm them with knowledge on how to deal with it and not pass it on to others...especailly in school. Hopefully there will be a cure, just like there is now for many STDs and viruses. As a parent just keep teaching yourself about Herpes, treatments and keep asking lots of questions. My best wishes to the children.

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RE: HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/8/2006 9:31:54 PM

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So how do u tell your potential partners about it without them freaking out?

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RE: HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/8/2006 10:22:17 PM

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It's still important to know which type is responsible for an outbreak.

http://www.herpesalliance.org/diagnostics.htm
http://www.herpes.com/hsv1-2.html

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It isn't really all that important to know which type it is, I or II, other than for simply knowing, because both types can be located in either the oral area or the genital.

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RE: HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/9/2006 4:30:48 AM

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Honestly there is no easy way to tell a partner about Herpes or any other STD that one potentially has. Yes my partner knows that I tested positive for HPV once and I even explained what it was. My partner asked alot of questions and was satisfied with my answers and that I haven't tested positive for HPV in 3 years. Which for those out there HPV can cause cervical cancer in women. Like I said before reading up on any STD is arming yourself on how to deal with the STD and even how to explain it to others like potential partners.

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RE: HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/9/2006 1:40:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

It's still important to know which type is responsible for an outbreak.

http://www.herpesalliance.org/diagnostics.htm
http://www.herpes.com/hsv1-2.html

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It isn't really all that important to know which type it is, I or II, other than for simply knowing, because both types can be located in either the oral area or the genital.

I understand the concern you have, but that second article, especially, pretty much backed up what I said, that they are both similar, both recur, can occur in the oral or genital areas and treated and managed in the same way. The big difference is the belief that Type 1 is the "good" herpes and type Type 2 is the "bad" one....because it's easier to explain a new cold sore on the mouth that you got by socially kissing somebody, as opposed to acquiring a new sore in the genital area.

I'm afraid I have to stand by what I said.....that knowing which type it is really isn't going to change anything, if you've got it, you've got it. Same symptoms, same treatments, same precautions to avoid spreading, same permanance, unless they come up with a cure one of these days.

I did like the attitude and knowledge of the second author, though. It was a good article, thanks!

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RE: HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/9/2006 2:00:24 PM

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If they have herpes lesions on their genitals, you have to show that to a doctor. You also have to learn which kind of herpes they have--and, if you don't already know, how HSV-1 and HSV-2 differ from each other. If it turns out that they have HSV-1 (the kind that generally causes cold sores), you can talk to the children about the importance of not sharing straws and the like, but there really isn't much you can do about it, because about 75-80% of the American population has been exposed to it.

If it's HSV-2, well, then you have to have a longer talk with them.

I was taught in nursing school that there is no point in classifying HSV 1 vs 2 any more because of oral-genital transmission. You can get HSV 2 on your tongue and HSV 1 on your genitals.

And, honestly, they are both everywhere now. If you don't have the herpes virus in your system, you are in the minority.

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RE: HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/9/2006 2:16:33 PM

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That's interesting, but honestly I'm surprised; as long as you're going to find out whether you have herpes, why would you NOT want to find out whether it's type 1 or 2? For one thing, I've read that some type-specific treatments may be on the horizon. And the two types come with slightly different sets of associated risks (surprisingly, HSV-1 may be the more dangerous of the two).

Anyway, all I know is that if I had two preschool-age kids and BOTH of them came down with herpes outbreaks on the genitals, I'd want to get to the bottom of what happened.

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RE: HERPES IN SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES, ADVICE FOR FRIEND - 10/9/2006 2:21:28 PM

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Anyway, all I know is that if I had two preschool-age kids and BOTH of them came down with herpes outbreaks on the genitals, I'd want to get to the bottom of what happened.

Oh, yea, no argument here on that.
Im just saying that it is possible for them to have the HSV II and have gotten it from another child's mouth...but either way, Id be concerned. In fact, that's an understatement.

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