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They don't have the right to medical care except for "emergency care only"

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They don't have the right to most state benefits

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They don't have the right of obtaining a driver's lisense in most states

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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve
Hah!!

Anytime I post links around here they are ignored (like in these thread pages) or criticized.

But Ill take you up on your offer. It will probably be a waste of time though...and ignored.

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

Another thing I would like to mention.........it was very wrong to take the land from Native Americans, and the government is compensating them for the wrong done to their ancestors (which is the fair and just thing to do). I wonder if the families of all the workers displaced by immigration and outsourcing will be compensated in the future.........somehow I highly doubt it.

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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve
Hah!!

Anytime I post links around here they are ignored (like in these thread pages) or criticized.

But Ill take you up on your offer. It will probably be a waste of time though...and ignored.

We are obviously on different sides on this issue, but please don't stop posting your links, on any issue you choose.
 
There is an element here that is going to trash anything you have to say, and insist that because you are willing to take a stand on an issue, that you think you are superior. They are rarely willing to take a stand themselves ... they mostly exist here, just to slam other people.
 
So don't let the 'internet brave' stop you from posting. Some people here are actually interested in reading what you have to say, rather than reading it just to figure out how to trash it.

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

There is an element here that is going to trash anything you have to say, and insist that because you are willing to take a stand on an issue, that you think you are superior. They are rarely willing to take a stand themselves ... they mostly exist here, just to slam other people.

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

http://comment.cio.com/comments/14561.html?action=print

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/22/eveningnews/main579550.shtml

http://www.programmersguild.org/docs/chaoletter_pub.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838372/posts

http://www.ieeeusa.org/communications/features/070703.htm

Here are some links about immigration juliaoceania. Still, I think you will have your best "proof" when you or someone close to you loses their job to an immigrant and has difficulty finding another one due to the job shortage and growing population of immigrants.

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Some good ideas there Level, most of them I think are valid, but I have a bit of an issue with the idea of a wall smacks a little to much of the DDR to me, but in the end, if you guys really want to spend all that cash on it, go ahead.

Good morning, Arpig. Yeah, I don't like the idea of a wall, but I'm not sure immigration can be regulated without something more than we have now.... maybe something else would work.

I am pleased to see the idea of an amnesty being floated, not only because, as you said, most of them are decent hard-working folks, but also to the sheer scale, impossibility, and inhumanity of any course of action involving mass imprisonment or deportations, nobody wants to read about camps of displaced refugees who were forcebly expelled from the US, that is the sort of thing one gets in Somalia and the Sudan.

Absolutely.

The NAFTA as it stands is definately a flawed arrangement, none of the countries involved is happy with it, and I think it definately needs reexamining from all sides, we should either fix it to the benefit of all, or scrap it, but the status quo is not really beneficial to any of the signatories.
I do have one request regarding "buying American"...please include "buying Canadian" in that as well, if you guys stop buying from us we go tits up.

Except for the brewing industry, I somehow doubt there is much danger of you not buying our beer. Oh look! its past 12....mmmmmm beer.....

LOL.... well, I definitely don't wish anything bad on you guys up there, so we should have a steady flow of support for one another, agreed.

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having done a little elementary research, I doubt that this H1B disaster is in fact quite as real as has been made out.
Here are a few facts:
1) An H1B visa is valid for up to 6 years
2) There are only 65000 of them issued each year
3) The person with the H1B visa must be paid the prevailing wage for the position they are hired for
4) The total cost for this sort of visa is $1545 each, and that increases to $2295 if the company has more than 25 such workers
5) There are 21 different broad occupations listed as eligable for an H1B visa

So given the above facts one can deduce the following:
A) There will be 390,000 (65,000 x 6) H1B workers in the US at any given time, divided between the 21 broad occupation categories, so the claim of there being "millions" of workers displaced by H1B workers is obviously inaccurate, there would be at most 1/2-million.
B) The employer is required to pay the H1B worker the prevailing wage, so again the idea that they are cheaper than American workers is false, the employer is required to pay the same wage, not 1/3 less.

It would be much easier to take anything being presented here at face value if it were not all so very easily shown to be untrue.

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

having done a little elementary research, I doubt that this H1B disaster is in fact quite as real as has been made out.
Here are a few facts:
1) An H1B visa is valid for up to 6 years
2) There are only 65000 of them issued each year
3) The person with the H1B visa must be paid the prevailing wage for the position they are hired for
4) The total cost for this sort of visa is $1545 each, and that increases to $2295 if the company has more than 25 such workers
5) There are 21 different broad occupations listed as eligable for an H1B visa

So given the above facts one can deduce the following:
A) There will be 390,000 (65,000 x 6) H1B workers in the US at any given time, divided between the 21 broad occupation categories, so the claim of there being "millions" of workers displaced by H1B workers is obviously inaccurate, there would be at most 1/2-million.
B) The employer is required to pay the H1B worker the prevailing wage, so again the idea that they are cheaper than American workers is false, the employer is required to pay the same wage, not 1/3 less.

It would be much easier to take anything being presented here at face value if it were not all so very easily shown to be untrue.

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ORIGINAL: LTRsubNW

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

having done a little elementary research, I doubt that this H1B disaster is in fact quite as real as has been made out.
Here are a few facts:
1) An H1B visa is valid for up to 6 years
2) There are only 65000 of them issued each year
3) The person with the H1B visa must be paid the prevailing wage for the position they are hired for
4) The total cost for this sort of visa is $1545 each, and that increases to $2295 if the company has more than 25 such workers
5) There are 21 different broad occupations listed as eligable for an H1B visa

So given the above facts one can deduce the following:
A) There will be 390,000 (65,000 x 6) H1B workers in the US at any given time, divided between the 21 broad occupation categories, so the claim of there being "millions" of workers displaced by H1B workers is obviously inaccurate, there would be at most 1/2-million.
B) The employer is required to pay the H1B worker the prevailing wage, so again the idea that they are cheaper than American workers is false, the employer is required to pay the same wage, not 1/3 less.

It would be much easier to take anything being presented here at face value if it were not all so very easily shown to be untrue.

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(Arpig, please stop confusing the argument with facts...conjecture and falsehoods are easier to understand for some)

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They don't have the right to medical care except for "emergency care only"

Exactly the same right to medical care as any American citizen under the constitution

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They don't have the right to most state benefits

These are not rights, State benefits are things you are entitled to if you qualify for them, but you have no right to them, especially not a constitution al right.

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They don't have the right of obtaining a driver's lisense in most states

Neither do you. You are allowed to acquire a driver's lisence if you meet whatever criteria have been enacted in the jurisdiction you are in, but you have no right to said lisence.