Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Whats love got to do with it.


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: Whats love got to do with it. Page: <<   < prev  1 2 [3]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Whats love got to do with it. - 10/26/2006 6:16:42 AM   
KatyLied


Posts: 13029
Joined: 2/24/2005
From: Pennsylvania
Status: offline
quote:

the submission would just be another word for what is really sexual gratification for both partners?


You have a lot to learn if you think that submission is all about sex.


_____________________________

“If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal, not to people or things.”
- Albert Einstein

(in reply to ellecid)
Profile   Post #: 41
RE: Whats love got to do with it. - 10/26/2006 6:34:24 AM   
happypervert


Posts: 2203
Joined: 5/11/2004
From: Scranton, PA
Status: offline
quote:

I don't even have to like them and can be vaguely repulsed by them and it doesn't interfere much with my submission.  It actually seems to make the experience more intense particularly in the short term.

That makes sense. It is easy to submit to someone you actually like; it is an act of submission in itself to just hang out with someone who is even vaguely repulsive.

I think that is a good approach to it because it sure opens up your choices to the hordes of repulsive guys around here; they are a lot easier to find than anything else. heh.


_____________________________

"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live." . . . Mark Twain

(in reply to gypsygrl)
Profile   Post #: 42
RE: Whats love got to do with it. - 10/26/2006 6:54:24 AM   
WhiteRadiance


Posts: 247
Joined: 9/8/2005
Status: offline
Yeah you know you've gotten yourself  top-notch submissive when they will bottom to ANYONE- even the ones they consider repulsive. 
 

_____________________________

Staci

The drop of rain makes a hole in a stone not by violence, but by often falling.



(in reply to happypervert)
Profile   Post #: 43
RE: Whats love got to do with it. - 10/26/2006 7:11:50 AM   
adaddysgirl


Posts: 1093
Joined: 3/2/2004
From: Syracuse, NY
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: ellecid

Another series of posts I read with great interest. But now... I am really confused!! First let me preface my statements by saying that I do not wish to offend anyone with what I say. Please understand that I am relatively new to this (as I have mentioned numerous times before), and I am in the tedious process of exploration and self discovery. If my banterings come across as stupid or offensive, I am truely sorry. That having been said, I am of the opinion that love and submission go hand in hand. I have read many times here that submission is the ultimate gift that one gives to another. If you arent in love with that person, why would you want to submit to them? I suppose some would say 'for the pure pleasure of submitting'. I just cant imagine giving that part of my body and soul to someone.... just because, and especially, on his whim. I would definately have to feel a profound 'something or other' for him. I am feeling that if a submissive does not love her Dom/Master, that the submission would just be another word for what is really sexual gratification for both partners??? Unless the person is a slave, and is expected to carry out other duties. Or, maybe the debate is about what that 'something' is called (trust, respect, sexual desire, love). Or, perhaps that's what separates me from a true submissive? There is sooo much to learn.


First of all ellecid, you will find that whatever you read on these forums (or anywhere on the net for that matter) is going to vary from person to person and from relationship to relationship....so try to take it all with a grain of salt.
 
i tend to look for a LT relationship and love.  When i choose a potential partner, i do so because i like the person as a person  (as much as i know about him at the time), and because i feel there is the potential for love, and because he is looking for the same.
 
i started out that way with the first 2 doms i met but they didn't last long enough to develop to the "love stage".  However, i did submit to them in the time i was with them.  Admittedly though, those did turn out to be based on sexual submission more than anything because neither of them dommed outside of the bedroom (but i did not know that until we got into it).
 
When i met my first Daddy Dom, we just really 'clicked'....and over time, i felt very loving feelings for him.  i can't describe the difference with those feelings involved, but it was awesome!  And that is what i continue to strive for.
 
But as you can see here, that is not a requirement for others.  Neither do all subs feel that submission is a gift.  Again, the more you read, the more you will note the variations between people.  No one is right or wrong....people just view it or do it differently.
 
And forget about not being a 'true submissive'.  As you go along and find what's right for you....your submission will be true to you and and your partner....and that's what will matter most.  And it may not match one other subs submission or 1000 others, but that's not going to make it any less real.
 
Best wishes to you.
 
Daddysgirl

_____________________________

I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence.

Frederick Douglas

"I am in a relationship which employs punishment because it fulfills me to do

(in reply to ellecid)
Profile   Post #: 44
RE: Whats love got to do with it. - 10/26/2006 7:25:40 AM   
gypsygrl


Posts: 1471
Joined: 10/8/2005
From: new york state
Status: offline
Let me clarify my comment on being able to submit to someone who I don't really like and may be vaguely repulsed by.  A while back I did home care for an elderly woman one night a week.  She was cranky, called me "girl" and ordered me around like a dog.  She was also very old, smoked a pipe and was, literally, missing half her face and had a prosthetic jaw and eye.  She would take out her eye at odd moments and it would really freak me out.

There was nothing pleasant about the job, it didn't pay much, and I didn't really need the money at that time in my life.  A friend of mine worked for her and wanted to drop a shift and I only took the job because of that.  When I first started, it was all I could do to stick with the job, and just flow with her moodiness, her stubborness and her unpredictability.  To say nothing about that damn eye. 

Over time, I developed a real affection for her and came to find the work very gratifying.  Particularly meaningful were those rare moments when she would smile because something I did made her happy and I got a lot of satisfaction out of learning the very particular ways she wanted her food prepared and being able to get everything just so, the way she liked it.

*shrugs

I dunno.  It makes sense to me.





(in reply to WhiteRadiance)
Profile   Post #: 45
RE: Whats love got to do with it. - 10/26/2006 9:15:32 AM   
MasterFireMaam


Posts: 5587
Joined: 3/1/2006
From: Charleston, WV
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: ellecid

Another series of posts I read with great interest. But now... I am really confused!! First let me preface my statements by saying that I do not wish to offend anyone with what I say. Please understand that I am relatively new to this (as I have mentioned numerous times before), and I am in the tedious process of exploration and self discovery. If my banterings come across as stupid or offensive, I am truely sorry. That having been said, I am of the opinion that love and submission go hand in hand. I have read many times here that submission is the ultimate gift that one gives to another. If you arent in love with that person, why would you want to submit to them? I suppose some would say 'for the pure pleasure of submitting'. I just cant imagine giving that part of my body and soul to someone.... just because, and especially, on his whim. I would definately have to feel a profound 'something or other' for him. I am feeling that if a submissive does not love her Dom/Master, that the submission would just be another word for what is really sexual gratification for both partners??? Unless the person is a slave, and is expected to carry out other duties. Or, maybe the debate is about what that 'something' is called (trust, respect, sexual desire, love). Or, perhaps that's what separates me from a true submissive? There is sooo much to learn.


If love and sex works for you and this is what you need in a relationship, do it. For some, neither is a requirement.

Master Fire


_____________________________

The power of who we are can be intoxicating. The power of who we could be is humbling.
-----
Ms Relationship Books
-----
BDSM How-To Books

(in reply to ellecid)
Profile   Post #: 46
RE: Whats love got to do with it. - 10/26/2006 9:18:58 AM   
agirl


Posts: 4530
Joined: 6/14/2004
Status: offline
I'm not sure that *velcro collars* have much to do with anything except dashed expectations and rather rushed decisions. That's my observation, anyhow.

How do you know you are loved in the first instance? Don't you have to have the capacity to recognise *being loved*? What about being *cared for* in a real sense? Is that *love*?

I really have no idea what *love* is, in itself; used as a term, a phrase.......But I do know how it FEELS to know that I matter and am cared for and understood ........maybe THAT is love.

I've NEVER been told that I am loved in my relationship .....I *feel* loved though.

agirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

Love came up in my last post. Why does a Dom/sub relationship have to be based on love. I think that is why you see a lot of velcro collars. One person expects the other to fall in love with them.

(in reply to Dnomyar)
Profile   Post #: 47
RE: Whats love got to do with it. - 10/27/2006 12:39:28 AM   
ellecid


Posts: 18
Joined: 9/13/2006
Status: offline
It was a question, not a statement.

(in reply to KatyLied)
Profile   Post #: 48
RE: Whats love got to do with it. - 10/27/2006 12:43:50 AM   
ellecid


Posts: 18
Joined: 9/13/2006
Status: offline
That tells me that you are a kind, gentle-hearted person!!! It doesnt scream submission to me, but what the &*^% do I know LOL. That is a touching story... thank you for sharing it.

(in reply to gypsygrl)
Profile   Post #: 49
RE: Whats love got to do with it. - 10/27/2006 12:46:11 AM   
ellecid


Posts: 18
Joined: 9/13/2006
Status: offline
Thank you very much, a daddysgirl. What you have said makes sense to me.

(in reply to adaddysgirl)
Profile   Post #: 50
RE: Whats love got to do with it. - 10/27/2006 2:56:16 AM   
meatcleaver


Posts: 9030
Joined: 3/13/2006
Status: offline
Love is a catch all word that many people use to justify relationships which could be based on many factors.

I have apparently been in love three times in my life and analysising those three times, the only common factor I see is that in the beginning they were more about incessant sex. When the initial sexfest dies down all three settled into very different relationships with absolutely nothing in common but the arbitary use of that catch all word 'love'.

But what has love got to do with BDSM? I would have thought true perversion doesn't require love, as the main motivating factor is the perversion.

(in reply to Dnomyar)
Profile   Post #: 51
RE: Whats love got to do with it. - 10/27/2006 4:35:27 AM   
adaddysgirl


Posts: 1093
Joined: 3/2/2004
From: Syracuse, NY
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver
But what has love got to do with BDSM? I would have thought true perversion doesn't require love, as the main motivating factor is the perversion.


Perversion is not the main motivating factor for me....it is the dominant partner aspect that attracts me.  The BDSM perversion is secondary.....perhaps the 'icing on the cake'. 
 
DG

< Message edited by adaddysgirl -- 10/27/2006 4:43:01 AM >

(in reply to meatcleaver)
Profile   Post #: 52
RE: Whats love got to do with it. - 10/27/2006 4:42:16 AM   
adaddysgirl


Posts: 1093
Joined: 3/2/2004
From: Syracuse, NY
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: ellecid

Thank you very much, a daddysgirl. What you have said makes sense to me.


You're welcome ellecid.  As i said, you will find many varying responses to whatever you ask as you go along.  Just continue to strive for what you feel works for you.  You are right...so much to learn!  But we all had to start somewhere.  Give it time...it will all come together for you 
 
DG

(in reply to ellecid)
Profile   Post #: 53
Page:   <<   < prev  1 2 [3]
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: Whats love got to do with it. Page: <<   < prev  1 2 [3]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.078