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Although numerous views have been shared, many seem to have lost sight if the original input by lil. Does a submissive instantaneously become a slave when she agrees to submit?
The answer is simply No, from my point of view.
Each relationship has its own definition of unity and boundaries set by the parties involved. Communicating the needs, desires and aspirations of those involved is vital. Often a Dom/sub relationship will morph into that of Master/slave, but there are no specific guarantees of such. Regardless of what title or role has been selected, as long as both parties are having their needs met, that is all that matters.
i agree with this statement completely..... that's, in my opinion of course, the answer to that question...realizing everyone has a different way of interpreting the lifestyle therefore different answers to lil's question, i believe that just submitting to a dom does not automatically make the person a slave.... of course, i also realize everyone lives the lifestyle the way they see fit, we all adapt our own wants and needs to it. In my eyes, a slave, and again, we are speaking of consensual slavery within the bdsm lifestyle (duh) is someone who submits completely, with no limits, to his/her owner, once that person begins setting limits on that person how can they possibly consider themselves a slave? now, again, i repeat, this is my interpretation of what a slave is....
it is my understanding of a slave within this lifestyle, it's what i have read and what i was taught by Mentors and such when i began my journey into bdsm....personally, i never considered myself a slave, but a submissive, i had limits and could not imagine just submitting to anyone in such a level that i would completely surrender all power and control over to that one person...of course, i met my One, and everything fell into place, for me..and now i am His slave and find it incredibly liberating and fulfilling for me to give all of myself, without limits or questions.....
with this i am in no way saying that one way is right or better than the other, everyone lives their life and makes their own choices and this is one of the reasons i love this lifestyle so very much, most people who are in the lifestyle dare to live life to their own standards and not to society's standards, we are being true to ourselves and our loved ones by living out our desires and needs, and how could that ever be wrong? i don't think that Taggard is saying that how anyone chooses to live their life is right or wrong, i think he is simply stating the definitions of the words we use within this lifestyle to define our roles.
When sub4hire compared owning a lawnmower and destroying or getting rid of it, to owning a slave it is easily understood why anyone that takes this lifestyle seriously would take offense to that, and i have read many of sub4hires posts and i do not question her knowledge of the lifestyle since i know she is very experienced and is a very bright and sensible woman, but i can see how Taggard would of taken that as an insult because that comes across as if the only way to go about a D/s relationship is to be a submissive because there really is no such thing as being someones slave unless you are willing to be abused and given away or sold like an old lawnmower.... if you are somenes slave you know that person and trust that person well enough to know that they will have your best interest in mind, at all times, so there should be no reason to believe that you would ever be treated like a lawnmower.
ok, that's a lil more than my 0.02 worth...
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:Disclaimer: The above is only this slave's opinion:
"And Those Who Danced Were Thought To Be Quite Insane By Those Who Could Not Hear The Music" -- Angela Monet
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