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RE: Smoking - 2/9/2005 11:39:48 AM   
ruffnecksbabygir


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It's so absurd....so, i wonder, what about alcohol consumption, eating fast foods, riding motorcycles, hiking, sky diving, crossing busy intersections, using public restrooms!!!

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RE: Smoking - 2/9/2005 5:28:58 PM   
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I live and work in Michigan and I can tell you that the fact that we are an "at will" state has set in motion some very unnerving trends in the employment arena. I myself have even been presented with a document by an employer that basically stated that employment with the company was contingent upon the fact that you would agree to conduct yourself in your personal life to the same standards that you practice in your professional life.

I had the displeasure of knowing Mr. Weyers, who we not-so-fondly referred to as the "Insurance Nazi" personally. The last two companies that I have worked for have used Weyco as their insurance carrier. He frequently came to present us with the "new benefits" we were to receive. His expertise really was that he could present the new plans to the masses in such a way that they generally thought they were getting something wonderful, when in actuality he just got you to sign away half of your benefits......with a smile on your face. He is known for his radical approaches to keeping his employees in line. Actually, I am quite surprised that he did not push the obesity issue first as that is something he has been tossing about for a number of years now.

The company that I last worked for no longer hires anyone who smokes, a direct influence of Mr. Weyers. I am sure that now that he has set the example they and all other companies that employ his services will begin the process of eliminating the employees they currently have who have this habit.....and I am sure that it is only the beginning.


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RE: Smoking - 2/13/2005 5:18:12 AM   
waykinky2


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I smoked for 35 years and i have quit now and forever.there is nothing good i can say about smoking but a lot bad.It stinks-costs to much money-unhealthy-socialy unexceptable-looks bad-burns holes in everything around-makes you cough-just something else to have to mess with that does no good-dirtyashes everywere-smoke in your eyes.
Yes i once said i liked it how stupid was that cough cough let me light a smoke so i can get my lungs started
I wish i had never started
Sorry about sounding grumpy i just dont like smokingit's a bad habbit.

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RE: Smoking - 2/13/2005 7:43:47 AM   
onceburned


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Quoting directly from the article...

quote:

Weyco's controversial move pits employers' rights against those of employees and may pave the way for other private companies to invoke their own potentially discriminatory tactics in the bid to lower rapidly ballooning health-care costs, legal experts say.
<snip>
In Michigan, workers don't have legal recourse if they're fired for lifestyle-behavior issues; 29 states have laws protecting workers in those circumstances, she said.



And for in addition to possibly firing for smoking or obesity, other risky lifestyle activities could be used to justify firing an employee. Perhaps like skydiving or engaging in BDSM or 'risky' sexual activities.

Just as we are kicking the government out of the bedroom, we could be seeing our employers come in. I guess its good reason to pass laws like the ADA or non-discrimination based upon sexual orientation or identity.

< Message edited by onceburned -- 2/13/2005 7:44:41 AM >

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RE: Smoking - 2/13/2005 8:25:02 PM   
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This is the problem with allowing government to discriminate against private behaviors. Once the door is opened and the precedent is set, the way is paved for increasing encroachment upon civil liberty from both public and private sources. It is utter hypocrisy to defend the rights of homosexuals engaging in private behavior and emasculate the rights of smokers engaging in private behaviors.

I don't mean to be offensive to those of homosexual persuasions, but the parallel is there. The biggest barrier to providing homosexuals with the same legal protections as heterosexuals is and always has been the squickness factor. People who don't want to be exposed to possible displays of homosexual affection power the drive to keep homosexuals in a position where it's neccessary to hide their proclivities.

Unfortunately for us all, now that the proverbial Pandora's Box has been opened, it will be difficult if not impossible to overturn the legal precedent. The "victims" of the Evil Big Tobacco Companies introduced litigation for decades before the first trial but were ultimately victorious. Now Big Business has a legal precedent upon which to build discriminatory employment criteria.

Thus far the lawsuits against Evil Fast Food Companies have been dismissed and may continue to be for decades to come but the precedent has been set by the crusade against tobacco. Eventually, assuming a further shift to the right doesn't occur within the Supreme Court, fast food will be found to be responsible for obesity, regardless of, or even in opposition to, the scientific facts. When that happens, someone in the private sector will start the ball rolling, banning fast food from company property.

I've never been able to rationalize selective discrimination because I've always understood that it's a knife that can turn in the hand of the wielder. If I support penalizing or even criminalizing my neighbor's behavior simply because I don't like to see, hear or smell it, what protection do I have if he finds a behavior of mine offensive? Live and let live makes sense not only in respecting others' kinks but is simply good business across the board.
Timothy

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RE: Smoking - 2/15/2005 11:16:22 PM   
NATI


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quote:

quote:

Weyco's controversial move pits employers' rights against those of employees and may pave the way for other private companies to invoke their own potentially discriminatory tactics in the bid to lower rapidly ballooning health-care costs, legal experts say.

What's more, Weyco's policy may open the door for employers to make employment more difficult to obtain for obese people or those with genetic predispositions for diseases, some warn.

"When an employer tries to deal with health-care costs by selecting or promoting employees based on their non-work-related qualifications or qualities, you're really entering a slippery slope," said Kary Moss, director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan, which supports smoking regulations at the workplace but not those that extend beyond it.

In Michigan, workers don't have legal recourse if they're fired for lifestyle-behavior issues; 29 states have laws protecting workers in those circumstances, she said.


This is some scary shit.

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RE: Smoking - 2/22/2005 10:22:20 PM   
rain


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(better late than never for this commentary...)

Check this out, my folks just bought a brand new Toyota, (don't know the model) and it DOES NOT HAVE an ashtray or a lighter! My mother, of course, applauds Toyota for taking this anti-smoking stance, but I don't.

I don't think that banning cigarettes is just a liberal/conservative issue; while many liberals may approve of anti-smoking legislation, their not the only ones-after all, Michael Bloomberg- mayor of NYC- is a Republican who banned cigarette smoking in ALL establishments, you can't even light up UNDER the awning of restaurants and many buildings.

Where does it end? I'm all for public safety, but I don't like the idea of government making these choices for me, I am an adult after all, aren't I?

(BTW- I am a smoker, and a bleeding heart liberal, go figure!)

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RE: Smoking - 2/22/2005 10:37:42 PM   
proudsub


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quote:

it DOES NOT HAVE an ashtray or a lighter!


So where do you plug in your cell phone?

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RE: Smoking - 2/23/2005 6:42:02 AM   
rain


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there's an outlet to plug in your cell phone, but it's not a lighter.

(hi proudsub! *waves excitedly*)

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RE: Smoking - 2/23/2005 7:00:58 AM   
Mercnbeth


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quote:

My mother, of course, applauds Toyota for taking this anti-smoking stance


rain,

Your post brought a smile to my face and I'm confident the faces of the automobile manufacturers. You'll find that when most businesses decide to take a stance that is considered 'politically correct' there is another reason. Usually that other reason is profit.

The standard ash tray/lighter is now an option. An option that costs extra. The practice is not limited to Toyota. Car makers from BMW to Saturn have adopted the practice. Something you got for 'free' is now gone. The lighter has also been removed but you do get the power outlet, although in some cases this is also an option.

The financial impact of this is huge for the car manufacturers. Although I can't find any source that documents the dollar value for this 'anti-smoking' stance, consider that in the early 80's American Airlines removed the one green olive that was included in the salads served to their first class passengers. The resulting saving for excluding the one olive for one year was $45,000.00. That was just to olive. I'm sure there were additional 'savings' by not having the food prep people put the olive in the salad.

Businesses are NOT altruistic. If they can get away with giving you less for the same cost, or charge you more for something you used to get free, the results go directly to the bottom line.

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RE: Smoking - 2/23/2005 7:29:20 AM   
mistoferin


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quote:

The standard ash tray/lighter is now an option. An option that costs extra.


Having worked for a company that manufactures automotive ashtrays and having also sold cars I can tell you that I have seen this option range from 26 to about 78 dollars depending on the make and model. For your money you now usually get a plastic free standing cup style ashtray that you could probably purchase a fair equivalent of at most dollar stores.

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RE: Smoking - 2/23/2005 1:04:25 PM   
knees2you


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For me This Quote says it all.
Any Woman Who smokes would get me to do anything
She or Her Devious mind could come up with.
Just let Her French In~hale and I'm in Sub~space~~

Sincerely, eyesofAslave





quote:

For me, a woman who smokes is just incredibly sexy, seductive..erotic....she combines everything I love about the opposite sex. The horny, hot, whore, wanton, slut, bad-girl side and the more ladylike, seductive, glamourous feminine side. But I think it's even more than that. I think it's the fact that a lady "in the know" can have such power over me, such control, from across the far side of a packed room....must be lighting up that cigarette....looking right at me as she does...locking my eyes to her...that almost imperceptable smirk in her eyes that says "I know what I'm doing to you...just think....if I'm a bad enough girl to smoke, what else am I bad enough to do?"
http://smokefetish.blogspot.com/2005/02/defining-fetish.html





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RE: Smoking - 2/23/2005 1:30:53 PM   
WisestWoman


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quote:

ORIGINAL: domtimothy46176

This is the problem with allowing government to discriminate against private behaviors. Once the door is opened and the precedent is set, the way is paved for increasing encroachment upon civil liberty from both public and private sources. It is utter hypocrisy to defend the rights of homosexuals engaging in private behavior and emasculate the rights of smokers engaging in private behaviors.

I don't mean to be offensive to those of homosexual persuasions, but the parallel is there. The biggest barrier to providing homosexuals with the same legal protections as heterosexuals is and always has been the squickness factor. People who don't want to be exposed to possible displays of homosexual affection power the drive to keep homosexuals in a position where it's neccessary to hide their proclivities.

Unfortunately for us all, now that the proverbial Pandora's Box has been opened, it will be difficult if not impossible to overturn the legal precedent. The "victims" of the Evil Big Tobacco Companies introduced litigation for decades before the first trial but were ultimately victorious. Now Big Business has a legal precedent upon which to build discriminatory employment criteria.

Thus far the lawsuits against Evil Fast Food Companies have been dismissed and may continue to be for decades to come but the precedent has been set by the crusade against tobacco. Eventually, assuming a further shift to the right doesn't occur within the Supreme Court, fast food will be found to be responsible for obesity, regardless of, or even in opposition to, the scientific facts. When that happens, someone in the private sector will start the ball rolling, banning fast food from company property.

I've never been able to rationalize selective discrimination because I've always understood that it's a knife that can turn in the hand of the wielder. If I support penalizing or even criminalizing my neighbor's behavior simply because I don't like to see, hear or smell it, what protection do I have if he finds a behavior of mine offensive? Live and let live makes sense not only in respecting others' kinks but is simply good business across the board.
Timothy
I completely agree. Our idiotic Mayor outlawed smoking just because he happens to be a non-smoker. That's crap!

Keep the gov't OUT of our personal lives....Damn, the gov't is supposed to represent us, not attack us!


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RE: Smoking - 2/24/2005 12:20:58 PM   
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I do not judge anyoen on whether or not they are holding a cigarette, cigar, or a pipe. I smoke - a nasty expensive habit, to be sure - but to those that don't, viva la difference!

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RE: Smoking - 2/24/2005 5:04:37 PM   
rain


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not to sound naive, but I hadn't considered that removing something from a car would increase profit.

thanks for the info : )

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RE: Smoking - 4/12/2005 9:37:14 AM   
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Major turn off... deal breaker... I'm very allergic to tobacco.

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RE: Smoking - 4/12/2005 10:03:22 AM   
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I've never smoked so I can't speak for anyone other than myself but it doesn't bother me if others do. In fact one of the sexiest & most compelling men I have ever met does & I am so glad that I didn't let that be a determing factor as to whether I should meet him or not. I have more of a problem going into department stores & getting past the cosmetic counter. I've been known to run so as not to be sprayed with those stinky perfumes.
On another note NY is also an "At Will" state, as I just found out Friday when my boss told me that I was replaced after being in the hospital for 2 weeks after having abdominal surgery. I have no recourse as it's a small company & they have every right to replace me & not give me another job if none are available.

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RE: Smoking - 4/12/2005 8:46:13 PM   
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I smoke because I'm orally fixated...

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RE: Smoking - 4/12/2005 9:24:09 PM   
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Total turn off ... Holly and I are both horribly allergic to it, so we can't be around it for long.

Our current boy smokes, but he is quitting - while he is quitting though, I can't handle being around him right after he smokes. It totally turns me off, and then he's hurt - but he knew how we both felt about smoking when he moved in, and he has promised multiple times that he is going to quit ... knowing how difficult it is, we haven't pushed too hard because he has made progress, but if he's going to be all upset about it because I don't find him attractive when he smells like an old ashtray, I think we are going to have to.

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RE: Smoking - 4/13/2005 2:50:58 AM   
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I don't have a lighter or ashtray in my car, i have a bic and a plastic cup filled with some water. Yeah I have been smoking for almost 30 yrs and until i can find something to replace it that will get me going in the morning, cure the bloating after eating, and burn this sexual energy i have...i'll continue to smoke....have a great day all :)

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