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ORIGINAL: Morrigel

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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

It is a lifestyle which makes it hard for the likes of me to relate to the people that I call fluff bunnies and weekend ass slappers.

That's ok.  We understand.  Some of us find it hard to relate to the people we call "tiresomely pedantic jagoffs with control issues that make the average OCD on heavy medication look like an easy-going hippie".

Fair enough. I expect insult from those that know that I am right. And since you are unable to counter anything I pointed out, you know that I am right.


Here's a thought--how about you control the person who consents to it, in your own personal life, and re-the-fuck-lax about what other people do, think and call themselves?  You might be able to avoid that impending death by aneurysm for a few seconds longer.

Sorry, but no can do. When people make untrue claims, I feel a compulsion to point out their mistakes. Call it a character flaw if you like, but it certainly beats trying to ridicule someone that has made a point that you are incapable of refuting.


--M

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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

I guess that since some people are unwilling to grasp the simplicity of what 24/7 TPE means, I will have to spell it out. First, lets begin by explaining the words involved.
24/7: Twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.
Total ( as defined in this context ): complete in extent or degree; absolute; unqualified; utter: a total failure.
Power ( as defined in this context ): the possession of control or command over others; authority; ascendancy.
Exchange ( as defined in this context ): to give up (something) for something else; part with for some equivalent; change for another.
 
Please note that nowhere in here have I defined dominance to any degree. I tried to make the point earlier that we are talking quantity of time involved rather than degree of control, but this point seems to have been deliberately ignored by a select few who are unwilling to admit that their on again, off again power exchange does not equal a 24/7 TPE.
 
And so from here we can ascertain that 24/7 TPE means giving up absolute control of oneself 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. One can have 24/7 without TPE. Alternately one can have TPE without it being 24/7. But when you combine the two, anything less than this is not 24/7 TPE. To employ a different approach, one cannot have a ham & cheese sandwich unless both ham and cheese are present. You are incorrect in saying that " I sometimes don't put ham on my ham & cheese sandwich. ", because in removing the ham, you have removed part of what constitutes a ham and cheese sandwich.
 
Am I being clear yet? Perhaps I should offer a few examples:
Example 1: The slave must, for whatever reason, work outside the home. Does the slaves/subs master/dom dictate to the slave/sub the speed and progress for work? Does the master/dom dictate to the slave/sub the time the slave/sub may take for lunch. Does the master/dom tell the slave/sub what to eat? Does the slaves/subs master/dom take precedence over any contradictory orders the administrator or supervisor has given while the slave/sub is at work? If the answers to any of these questions is no, then this is not a 24/7 TPE.
 
Example 2: The couple ( or group ) has children. Do the needs and desires of the master/dom always outweigh the needs of the children? If your master/dom desires service right now, but a baby is screaming, do you ignore the child until your master/dom has been taken care of? If you have specific orders to have dinner on the table at 6 pm, but your child has soccer practice at 6 pm and must be driven there, do you complete the task your master/dom set for you? If the answer to any of these questions is no, then this is not a 24/7 TPE.
 
Example 3: Other family members. If your sister is getting married, but attending her wedding and reception would interfere with service, do you stay home and serve if your master/dom tells you to? If your great uncle has passed away, but attending the funeral would interfere with service, do you stay home and serve if your master/dom tells you to? If your brother asks you to watch his children for the evening due to an emergency, do you say yes without asking your master/dom? If the answer to any of these questions is no, then this is not a 24/7 TPE.
 
There are numerous examples and scenarios that I could list, but these should be more than enough to get all but the most obstinate or delusional of people to understand what constitutes a 24/7 TPE relationship. Doubtless many of you will disagree with this, and others will say that the examples set forth are unreasonable. To this I will answer that each person that disagrees is utterly and unmistakably wrong in your objections. No matter how much you wish to believe that you live in a 24/7 TPE environment, if you cannot respond to each and every one of those examples with a resounding YES, then you are not in a 24/7 TPE. At very best you could claim to approximate a 24/7 TPE, but you damned sure do NOT live in one. This is not opinion, this is not conjecture, this is fact. Fact continues to exist whether you like it or not. There is no shame in saying that you are unable to live this way. Most people can not or will not. The shame is in claiming to live like this when you don't.

This sort of lifestyle may be seen as harsh and demanding, but a master or dom can be harsh and demanding. It is not the fluffy, cuddly, watered down and commercialized BDSM that most people relate to. It is a lifestyle which makes it hard for the likes of me to relate to the people that I call fluff bunnies and weekend ass slappers. Perhaps I come off as harsh in my outlook, but I am honestly offended by people that claim to live this way, yet clearly don't. Although perhaps again this outlook of mine comes from so many of these people claiming to be 24/7 TPE. I am not offended by the good people that practice BDSM on lesser levels than myself, but having someone pose as 24/7 TPE that obviously doesn't even know what the term means is as offensive to me as having someone spit in my face. I love watching a mistress at work, but I don't claim to be a mistress. If you expect me to have any respect for you, don't pretend to be something that you aren't.
 
For further discussion on this subject, I highly recommend the following link.

http://www.leathernroses.com/eso/esodefinitions.htm

ok just my opinion here but your examples are just plain silly. In the real world you can not do that. You'd lose your job, you could be sited for child neglect, and on and on.
Pardon me? In the real world people can and do live 24/7 TPE lifestyles. But I do see your point, which is a roundabout rendition of what I was trying to convey. If the person is not willing to give up many aspects of the vanilla world, they cannot be in a 24/7 TPE life. The very fact that some of the TPE poseurs here have careers and children is one of the things that inspired me to point out that what they were calling 24/7 TPE really isn't that at all. I suppose that it is possible in theory to have a career and kids and still be 24/7 TPE, but I would love to hear how they manage, and I darn sure wouldn't envy them. But hey, if you are up to making such a claim, the burden of proof rests upon the shoulders of the person making the assertion, so please be my guest and prove me wrong.


You have to base your life in reality. by the way you are stating things then no one would ever be 24/7 TPE. For your version of 24/7 TPE you would need a robot that sits quietly in the closet until such time as you want to turn it on.


Mine is not a robot, and yet she is not allowed a career or children. She also isn't very damn quiet unless I gag her. I allow her very limited access to the outside world. She isn't permitted to answer the phone. Her diet, exercise, sleep, bathroom time, mobility around the house, and media are controlled by me. I dictate her hair color, and on the rare occasion that she is allowed to leave the house, her clothing. Her steel cuffs are not removed, and she remains chained to a 25 foot length of chain bolted to a wall. During our most recent election we discussed politics, and when I found that her political views varied considerably from my own, decided to leave her chained while I went to vote. She has a voice ( when I choose to allow it ), opinions, outlooks, and emotions, and would not be worth owning otherwise. But despite her individuality, she is still a slave within a 24/7 TPE relationship, so please don't tell me that this sort of life doesn't exist. I had already mentioned that very few people could or would live 24/7 TPE. Why do you think that I get so annoyed when every soccer mom fluff bunny claims to be 24/7 TPE? From what I can gather by reading Daddysprop's contributions, she and her owner live a very similar life.

All i can say is thank god your views are not mine.

True, but there again, we both share reality. I simply choose to acknowledge it rather than deny it. And the reality is that 24/7 TPE, while exceedingly rare, does indeed exist. The reality is also that once you examine the claims of most people claiming this livestyle, the overwhelming majority of them don't actually live it. Nowhere have I claimed that this livestyle is superior to any other. Neither do I claim that my way is the only way to live it. But what I DO claim is that anyone that does not actually submit themselves to another 24/7 is NOT involved in a 24/7 TPE. I didn't make up the definition of the words that constitute 24/7 TPE, but they do define themselves. Pretend othewise all that you want to, but I know that if you are not following this specific lifestyle to the letter, you are not really engaged in it. And judging by the venom and lack of contest to this position, the ones making the false 24/7 TPE claims know that they really aren't living it either.

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ORIGINAL: starshineowned

Greetings..~smiles~

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  Example 1: The slave must, for whatever reason, work outside the home. Does the slaves/subs master/dom dictate to the slave/sub the speed and progress for work? Does the master/dom dictate to the slave/sub the time the slave/sub may take for lunch. Does the master/dom tell the slave/sub what to eat? Does the slaves/subs master/dom take precedence over any contradictory orders the administrator or supervisor has given while the slave/sub is at work? If the answers to any of these questions is no, then this is not a 24/7 TPE.
Does the Dom dictate when the sub can take a breath and release it? All the time? Does the Dom dictate each step ..arm movement..yawn..thought...Thinks you get the picture because the same is pretty much just as ridiculous as the quote.

Micromanagement is not the same as 24/7 TPE. I control a vehicle despite the fact that I am not in the engine manually forcing gas into the cylinders. And for the record, I frequently do control her movement, as I am quite a fan of objectification. I have also controlled her breathing, or should I say lack thereof, from time to time, but this really doesn't fall within the realm of 24/7 TPE. Nowhere in my providing a definition for the term did I say that it involved every biological function. Nor is that even implied by the definition.

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  Example 2: The couple ( or group ) has children. Do the needs and desires of the master/dom always outweigh the needs of the children? If your master/dom desires service right now, but a baby is screaming, do you ignore the child until your master/dom has been taken care of? If you have specific orders to have dinner on the table at 6 pm, but your child has soccer practice at 6 pm and must be driven there, do you complete the task your master/dom set for you? If the answer to any of these questions is no, then this is not a 24/7 TPE.

Can we say: Ask if it's okay for such allowances should they arise? Can we say: Ask when each arise if not sure?

If the master/dom grants that such an allowance be made, then yes. But if the master/dom's word is not final, then it isn't 24/7 TPE

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  Example 3: Other family members. If your sister is getting married, but attending her wedding and reception would interfere with service, do you stay home and serve if your master/dom tells you to? If your great uncle has passed away, but attending the funeral would interfere with service, do you stay home and serve if your master/dom tells you to? If your brother asks you to watch his children for the evening due to an emergency, do you say yes without asking your master/dom? If the answer to any of these questions is no, then this is not a 24/7 TPE. 

 

Can we say any Dom that feels service to Him is greater than either of these instances listed here should not have control of another because He/She obviously does not have control of themselves to be so insecure, and baring on mental/emotional abuse most likely if this created distress for the sub..which is deliberately damaging to the very property they supposedly cherish.

Can we say that anyone who has ever engaged in impact play of any sort is either a criminal or the victim of abuse? No, we probably wouldn't say that, because it is subjective. Most judges would insist that we were mistaken to claim that it wasn't abuse regardless of consent. Likewise, we that actually live 24/7 TPE do not govern our conduct based on the opinions of the general BDSM community. What you consider correct and enjoyable is found sick and detestable to much of the vanilla world. Along similar lines, 24/7 TPE is found to be too extreme for some people.
As for being deliberately damaging, mine would consider it to be deliberately damaging to grant her any more control. She craves and desires the level of control that 24/7 TPE grants me. Ye hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye. Try not to forget that others, the majority of the vanilla world in fact, consider ANY BDSM activity to be wrong and abusive before you start telling me how horrible my lifesyle is. After all, I am not judging your lifestyle, I am just showing people what 24/7 TPE is and isn't.


But back to the every breath, movement, thought..if your not controlling those 24/7 then can't really call yourself a 24/7 TPE either. So guess it all boils down to your own interpretation and what it means to you, and just how deep do you want to go here to prove a point.

TPE means GIVING absolute control of oneself to another. It does NOT imply that it magically grants the recipiant of the exchange the ability to manipulate the givers molecular or biological structure, especially since the giver does not possess the ability in order TO give that power over.



Well Wishes

starshine
Happy slave of Master Delvin

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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

I have a vision of what 24/7 is, and that vision is based on the word itself. The lame copout that words and language changes is pointless unless a large group of people agree on a new definition. Linguistics change only when a majority agree upon the change. It does not change at the whims of individuals.

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I am not speaking for everyone involved in 24/7. I am speaking for what IS 24/7. It is not my fault that some people delude themselves into thinking that 24/7 = 8/1, 12/4, or any other combination that does not equal 24/7.
24/7 is not the level of control exerted, but the frequency of the exertion.

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 Until you learn simple math, perhaps you might want someone else to speak for you.
 
Ok, that last part was rude, sorry. But geez man, don't jump on the definitions bandwagon until you get a majority vote on the new, revised definition, because it really, really pisses me off to hear some fluff bunny insist that they are 24/7, only to send their " slave " scurrying home for the week after a night of suspension bondage and light ass slapping at a dungeon. 24/7 my ass!

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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

For further discussion on this subject, I highly recommend the following link.

http://www.leathernroses.com/eso/esodefinitions.htm

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Thanks owned. now i can live my life in bliss. .....

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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy
I guess that since some people are unwilling to grasp the simplicity of what 24/7 TPE means, I will have to spell it out. First, lets begin by explaining the words involved.
24/7: Twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.
Total ( as defined in this context ): complete in extent or degree; absolute; unqualified; utter: a total failure.
Power ( as defined in this context ): the possession of control or command over others; authority; ascendancy.
Exchange ( as defined in this context ): to give up (something) for something else; part with for some equivalent; change for another.

Please note that nowhere in here have I defined dominance to any degree. I tried to make the point earlier that we are talking quantity of time involved rather than degree of control, but this point seems to have been deliberately ignored by a select few who are unwilling to admit that their on again, off again power exchange does not equal a 24/7 TPE.
To think that quantity of time supasses quality is shallow and petty. Of course you would not change the topic to the concepts of dominace, as it would have totally blown your claims outta the water. You really should be proud, you are now my example of the negative and closed minded section of this lifestyle, that seem to think your ways are the only ways. While you may be able to dictate how your slave thinks, acts, or feels that does not intitle you to lord your alledged intellect over all women. Of course how you found anyone with that profile...... just goes to show you that there really is someone out there for all of us.
 
And so from here we can ascertain that 24/7 TPE means giving up absolute control of oneself 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. One can have 24/7 without TPE. Alternately one can have TPE without it being 24/7. But when you combine the two, anything less than this is not 24/7 TPE.
I am shocked that your interpration of the word total is not as final as the rest of your perspectives.
To employ a different approach, one cannot have a ham & cheese sandwich unless both ham and cheese are present. You are incorrect in saying that " I sometimes don't put ham on my ham & cheese sandwich. ", because in removing the ham, you have removed part of what constitutes a ham and cheese sandwich.
 
Am I being clear yet? Perhaps I should offer a few examples:
Example 1: The slave must, for whatever reason, work outside the home. Does the slaves/subs master/dom dictate to the slave/sub the speed and progress for work? Does the master/dom dictate to the slave/sub the time the slave/sub may take for lunch. Does the master/dom tell the slave/sub what to eat? Does the slaves/subs master/dom take precedence over any contradictory orders the administrator or supervisor has given while the slave/sub is at work? If the answers to any of these questions is no, then this is not a 24/7 TPE.

 Example 2: The couple ( or group ) has children. Do the needs and desires of the master/dom always outweigh the needs of the children? If your master/dom desires service right now, but a baby is screaming, do you ignore the child until your master/dom has been taken care of? If you have specific orders to have dinner on the table at 6 pm, but your child has soccer practice at 6 pm and must be driven there, do you complete the task your master/dom set for you? If the answer to any of these questions is no, then this is not a 24/7 TPE. 
I am at a loss for words,something which rarely happens. Really i have never had the pleasure of hearing someone who is this outragious and really believes this load of crap. 
 The choice to have children, is a completely different issue and doesn't effect the level or degree of what you feel with your other.
Example 3: Other family members. If your sister is getting married, but attending her wedding and reception would interfere with service, do you stay home and serve if your master/dom tells you to? If your great uncle has passed away, but attending the funeral would interfere with service, do you stay home and serve if your master/dom tells you to? If your brother asks you to watch his children for the evening due to an emergency, do you say yes without asking your master/dom? If the answer to any of these questions is no, then this is not a 24/7 TPE.
 Maybe if the Dom is a huge freaking jerk....................
There are numerous examples and scenarios that I could list, but these should be more than enough to get all but the most obstinate or delusional of people to understand what constitutes a 24/7 TPE relationship. Doubtless many of you will disagree with this, and others will say that the examples set forth are unreasonable. To this I will answer that each person that disagrees is utterly and unmistakably wrong in your objections. No matter how much you wish to believe that you live in a 24/7 TPE environment, if you cannot respond to each and every one of those examples with a resounding YES, then you are not in a 24/7 TPE. At very best you could claim to approximate a 24/7 TPE, but you damned sure do NOT live in one. This is not opinion, this is not conjecture, this is fact. Fact continues to exist whether you like it or not. There is no shame in saying that you are unable to live this way. Most people can not or will not. The shame is in claiming to live like this when you don't. How can you say this????? There is no shame in living your life however you see fit so long as it is mutually benefiting both parties. I can only speak for myself and the people in my world or environment. What Daddy and I have, is one of the most liberating arrangement for us, which is the the only opinions that matter. In all ways Daddy dictates who and how I am. His control over me is unwaivering and constant as is his love. I guess love doesn't figure in your equations. I worship him 24/7 and would doing anything he commanded with out a moments hesitation. I am the reflection of his power and dominance since I am no longer the pushy, arrogant, broad I use to be. lol Prior to him, I treated all men with disdain and honestly contempt. I would belittle and cut down all the men in my life and treated them like a oppresieve mother. I was horibble! It took me finding somone that said, "this far, No further.", To soften into the true woman I was inside. I live my life by the concepts of Fasanation woman hold 24/7.... ect.
to have someone attempt to tell me that I am not 24/7 because my ideal 24/7 relationship is not your idea of what that relationship should have is insulting. That is the constant reacuring fact of this whole damn post!
This sort of lifestyle may be seen as harsh and demanding, but a master or dom can be harsh and demanding. It is not the fluffy, cuddly, watered down and commercialized BDSM that most people relate to. It is a lifestyle which makes it hard for the likes of me to relate to the people that I call fluff bunnies and weekend ass slappers. Perhaps I come off as harsh in my outlook, but I am honestly offended by people that claim to live this way, yet clearly don't. Although perhaps again this outlook of mine comes from so many of these people claiming to be 24/7 TPE. I am not offended by the good people that practice BDSM on lesser levels than myself, but having someone pose as 24/7 TPE that obviously doesn't even know what the term means is as offensive to me as having someone spit in my face. I am sorry to say that that idea is not unappealing to me. I am glad to know that just by proclaiming 24/7 status is offensive to you as you have come off in here. <mutters a prayer>
 
I love watching a mistress at work, but I don't claim to be a mistress. If you expect me to have any respect for you, don't pretend to be something that you aren't.  Don't want your respect, truthfully if we never cross paths again I would be just fine with that. I do however agree that the people that claim 24/7 status ands only contact to date has been this flat lifeless medium.
 
For further discussion on this subject, I highly recommend the following link.

http://www.leathernroses.com/eso/esodefinitions.htm

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Bottom line folks. Your trying to classify something that cannot be classified due to the endless variety of such said relationships.
As long as its consual, and the two people involved enjoy it. then go for it. Who the hell cares if its kink vanilla or  hardcore tpe.

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I have a vision of what 24/7 is, and that vision is based on the word itself. The lame copout that words and language changes is pointless unless a large group of people agree on a new definition. Linguistics change only when a majority agree upon the change. It does not change at the whims of individuals.

 
The term is derived frm the military lexicon and is intended to describe the times when on duty full time - as a part of this, it also is inclusive of times when one is not "at post" but in another location - on call 24/7, etc.., therefore it is inclusive of someone "at the ready" but not present.
 
That is the etymology.
 
24/7 is used in many industries and public applications to denote 24 hour service, 7 days a week as well. Police stations, hospitals, and some convenience stores are called 24/7. This is clearly the context which encompasses the spirit of the term 24/7 TPE, as the coiner of the term would not have meant 24/7 absolute exchange of power at a distance. The tragedy here is that you are intelligent enough to know this, but chose instead to rally to the defense of those inclined to tarnish the spirit of the concept. While the etymology may ( or may not, I have yet to find any dictionary that states either origin ) have military roots, the term has been used for several decades to denote a service that is available on a 24/7 basis. This is by far the most common current usage of the term.

 
However - you are using it as "you see fit" - not as it was derived or as others use it.
 
Ummmm, no. You are the one that decided to use it out of context, not myself.


 
Again - 'bully for you'... however, you are not the arbiter of all things leather... hence the fact that the crown as not been shipped as was intended (there is a recall on the lining and a smudge on the gold trim)
 
I don't think that I would care for such a crown to begin with, though I am reminded of the saying " In the kingdom of the blind, the man with one eye is king. ".
I seek what many here claim, but few deliver, to educate people on some points. This forum is the only place I have ever seen that people are so dull witted as to actually believe that communication is possible despite coherent universal definitions. Even a child can see the irrationality of such stupidity, yet the fluff bunny part timers have such a herd of followers that they have convinced virtually everyone to abandon reason and common sense in favor of a feel good philosophy of " anything means whatever you want it to mean ". This is a sugary sweet but vacuous philosophy, just cotton candy rhetoric that fails to enlighten, clarify, or serve as any form of guiding force. What it actually does is destroy any coherence within the community and shatters whatever solidarity and unity we might otherwise be able to achieve. This is detrimental not only to the education of newbies, but also erects insurmountable barriers between those who plea for rational communication and those that think the world can function within the confines of the Biblical tower of Babel curse.

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Also, I have never heard of anyone describing their lifestyle as a scene. You will pardon me if I believe it when I hear it with my own ears.

 
No issue. I don't care. You can believe what you want - like everyone else.. no skin off my rear...
 
You could start a posting on it.
 
It was used that way in the northeast in the mid ninties with some regularity.. I cannot vouch for anywhere or any time else in this regard.

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I am not speaking for everyone involved in 24/7. I am speaking for what IS 24/7. It is not my fault that some people delude themselves into thinking that 24/7 = 8/1, 12/4, or any other combination that does not equal 24/7.
24/7 is not the level of control exerted, but the frequency of the exertion.

 
Again -
...you are defining it as you see fit -
...and, inferring that it is that way for everyone,
...at every time,
...in every way...
 
"Pissing in the wind"
 

Yes, 24/7 TPE means just that, every time, every way. Anyone that claims to live 24/7 TPE only when convenient is lying both to themselves and to others.

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 Until you learn simple math, perhaps you might want someone else to speak for you.
 
Ok, that last part was rude, sorry. But geez man, don't jump on the definitions bandwagon until you get a majority vote on the new, revised definition, because it really, really pisses me off to hear some fluff bunny insist that they are 24/7, only to send their " slave " scurrying home for the week after a night of suspension bondage and light ass slapping at a dungeon. 24/7 my ass!

OK - you are a clueless moronic dick - sorry about that - did not mean it to come out that way.
 
^^ See how disingenuous that is... not exactly the art of tactfulness  - are we?
 
I really do expect better of you than crude insults, as that is the final defense of a person incapable of defending their position. I certainly expected it from the start with most of the posters here, but you actually have a vocabulary and a brain. Do us both a service and use them rather than this crude tactic. Save it for the ones that are unreachable.

Again -
You are pissing in the wind...
 
You may rant 'until the cows come home' (and, they do eventually, but generally stop for a Mocachino on the way screwing up their 24/7 cycle)...
 
...but, the fact is, this is not going to stop Ms. Cyber Slave from declaring she is 24/7 to Mr. Wank Puter and getting herself a (useless) Slabve registration Number and having it henna tattooo'd on her rear.
 
Very true, there is no helping the cyber wannabes here. But with effort and dedication, some of the newcomers that are open to learning may be reached.


 
People have a tendency to ignore other people when they are doing as they please.
 
Yep, most mindless creatures are like that. I have watched cows idly grazing before a wildfire while the rancher was desperately trying to urge them into another pasture. Come to think of it, I see herd mentality on these message boards as well. Too much chlorine in the gene pool, you reckon?

 
(I keep telling them they will put an eye out that way - but, do they listen!!??
 
Hell no!!)
 

Hell, you would think that the dullards would be thanking me! They bitch and whine because people attach labels to them. I am giving them a way to remove a label. Oh well, damned if ya do and damned if ya don't!
 
Your Friend -
~J

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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy
I guess that since some people are unwilling to grasp the simplicity of what 24/7 TPE means, I will have to spell it out. First, lets begin by explaining the words involved.
24/7: Twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.
Total ( as defined in this context ): complete in extent or degree; absolute; unqualified; utter: a total failure.
Power ( as defined in this context ): the possession of control or command over others; authority; ascendancy.
Exchange ( as defined in this context ): to give up (something) for something else; part with for some equivalent; change for another.

Please note that nowhere in here have I defined dominance to any degree. I tried to make the point earlier that we are talking quantity of time involved rather than degree of control, but this point seems to have been deliberately ignored by a select few who are unwilling to admit that their on again, off again power exchange does not equal a 24/7 TPE.
To think that quantity of time supasses quality is shallow and petty. Of course you would not change the topic to the concepts of dominace, as it would have totally blown your claims outta the water. You really should be proud, you are now my example of the negative and closed minded section of this lifestyle, that seem to think your ways are the only ways. While you may be able to dictate how your slave thinks, acts, or feels that does not intitle you to lord your alledged intellect over all women. Of course how you found anyone with that profile...... just goes to show you that there really is someone out there for all of us.
 
I am deeply saddened that you are incapable of comprehending that 24/7 denotes a measurement of time and not of quality. Of course I would not change the topic to concepts of dominance because I know better than to redefine words to suit my fancy. Before calling me close minded, just glance in a mirror and ask yourself who is the one that is ignoring word meanings. I am also happy to see that even dull witted, ignorant, rude poseurs such as yourself are able to find mates here. And I will certainly adhere to the hope that any offspring you may have exceed your mental capacity threefold. Oh, but that will never do, because 3 x 0 still equals 0.



 
And so from here we can ascertain that 24/7 TPE means giving up absolute control of oneself 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. One can have 24/7 without TPE. Alternately one can have TPE without it being 24/7. But when you combine the two, anything less than this is not 24/7 TPE.
I am shocked that your interpration of the word total is not as final as the rest of your perspectives.
 

The word " total " contains finality enough without engaging it in more depth. Perhaps if you ever made use of a dictionary you would realize this.

To employ a different approach, one cannot have a ham & cheese sandwich unless both ham and cheese are present. You are incorrect in saying that " I sometimes don't put ham on my ham & cheese sandwich. ", because in removing the ham, you have removed part of what constitutes a ham and cheese sandwich.
 
Am I being clear yet? Perhaps I should offer a few examples:
Example 1: The slave must, for whatever reason, work outside the home. Does the slaves/subs master/dom dictate to the slave/sub the speed and progress for work? Does the master/dom dictate to the slave/sub the time the slave/sub may take for lunch. Does the master/dom tell the slave/sub what to eat? Does the slaves/subs master/dom take precedence over any contradictory orders the administrator or supervisor has given while the slave/sub is at work? If the answers to any of these questions is no, then this is not a 24/7 TPE.

 Example 2: The couple ( or group ) has children. Do the needs and desires of the master/dom always outweigh the needs of the children? If your master/dom desires service right now, but a baby is screaming, do you ignore the child until your master/dom has been taken care of? If you have specific orders to have dinner on the table at 6 pm, but your child has soccer practice at 6 pm and must be driven there, do you complete the task your master/dom set for you? If the answer to any of these questions is no, then this is not a 24/7 TPE. 
I am at a loss for words,something which rarely happens. Really i have never had the pleasure of hearing someone who is this outragious and really believes this load of crap. 
 The choice to have children, is a completely different issue and doesn't effect the level or degree of what you feel with your other.
 
This " load of crap " is what 24/7 TPE really means. This is why I call poseurs such as yourself liars when they claim to be it. If you don't like the definition, by all means, quit applying it incorrectly to yourself.


Example 3: Other family members. If your sister is getting married, but attending her wedding and reception would interfere with service, do you stay home and serve if your master/dom tells you to? If your great uncle has passed away, but attending the funeral would interfere with service, do you stay home and serve if your master/dom tells you to? If your brother asks you to watch his children for the evening due to an emergency, do you say yes without asking your master/dom? If the answer to any of these questions is no, then this is not a 24/7 TPE.
 Maybe if the Dom is a huge freaking jerk....................
 
Or maybe the sub is a pretentious poseur incapable of real surrender and prefers to pretend that she is 24/7 TPE when she goes to the dungeon on Friday night and gets flogged until she invariably invokes a safeword. Again, that is 24/7 TPE. Anything else is at best role playing, and at worst lying.

 

There are numerous examples and scenarios that I could list, but these should be more than enough to get all but the most obstinate or delusional of people to understand what constitutes a 24/7 TPE relationship. Doubtless many of you will disagree with this, and others will say that the examples set forth are unreasonable. To this I will answer that each person that disagrees is utterly and unmistakably wrong in your objections. No matter how much you wish to believe that you live in a 24/7 TPE environment, if you cannot respond to each and every one of those examples with a resounding YES, then you are not in a 24/7 TPE. At very best you could claim to approximate a 24/7 TPE, but you damned sure do NOT live in one. This is not opinion, this is not conjecture, this is fact. Fact continues to exist whether you like it or not. There is no shame in saying that you are unable to live this way. Most people can not or will not. The shame is in claiming to live like this when you don't. How can you say this????? There is no shame in living your life however you see fit so long as it is mutually benefiting both parties. I can only speak for myself and the people in my world or environment. What Daddy and I have, is one of the most liberating arrangement for us, which is the the only opinions that matter. In all ways Daddy dictates who and how I am. His control over me is unwaivering and constant as is his love. I guess love doesn't figure in your equations. I worship him 24/7 and would doing anything he commanded with out a moments hesitation. I am the reflection of his power and dominance since I am no longer the pushy, arrogant, broad I use to be. lol Prior to him, I treated all men with disdain and honestly contempt. I would belittle and cut down all the men in my life and treated them like a oppresieve mother. I was horibble! It took me finding somone that said, "this far, No further.", To soften into the true woman I was inside. I live my life by the concepts of Fasanation woman hold 24/7.... ect.
to have someone attempt to tell me that I am not 24/7 because my ideal 24/7 relationship is not your idea of what that relationship should have is insulting. That is the constant reacuring fact of this whole damn post!
 
How can I say what? Oh, you mean how can I have the audacity to point out what 24/7 TPE really is? Well, I do it because I am honest, that's why. You really should try it sometime. So you love him 24/7... that's wonderful. But how does that equal TPE? It doesn't. So you live by the concepts of Fasanation, whatever the hell that is. I assume you mean fascination, but maybe not. Great, peachy, but again, what in the hell does that have to do with 24/7 TPE? Nothing, that's what. Did you even bother reading what I had written above? We are talking not just 24/7, but 24/7 Total Power Exchange. I never said that you weren't 24/7, though I do have to wonder how you can be in a 24/7 relationship and still stay online this much, but that is neither here nor there. I said that if you answered no to any of those, you were not in a 24/7 TPE. I made that abundantly clear, but feeble minds I am sure will still have difficulty in grasping the polysyllables.

This sort of lifestyle may be seen as harsh and demanding, but a master or dom can be harsh and demanding. It is not the fluffy, cuddly, watered down and commercialized BDSM that most people relate to. It is a lifestyle which makes it hard for the likes of me to relate to the people that I call fluff bunnies and weekend ass slappers. Perhaps I come off as harsh in my outlook, but I am honestly offended by people that claim to live this way, yet clearly don't. Although perhaps again this outlook of mine comes from so many of these people claiming to be 24/7 TPE. I am not offended by the good people that practice BDSM on lesser levels than myself, but having someone pose as 24/7 TPE that obviously doesn't even know what the term means is as offensive to me as having someone spit in my face. I am sorry to say that that idea is not unappealing to me. I am glad to know that just by proclaiming 24/7 status is offensive to you as you have come off in here. <mutters a prayer>
 
Well, since I never said that claiming 24/7 status was offensive to me, i'm really not sure what you mean here. Perhaps you should try praying to another god, maybe one that grants clarity.


 
I love watching a mistress at work, but I don't claim to be a mistress. If you expect me to have any respect for you, don't pretend to be something that you aren't.  Don't want your respect, truthfully if we never cross paths again I would be just fine with that. I do however agree that the people that claim 24/7 status ands only contact to date has been this flat lifeless medium.
 
You're really starting to fade into incoherence now. I think you really might want to look into a different deity. Might I suggest the Egyptian Thoth? He was the god of literacy, ya know.

 
For further discussion on this subject, I highly recommend the following link.

http://www.leathernroses.com/eso/esodefinitions.htm

We I think we can safely say that the majority is not on your side. Really what more can be said.
 
Gawd how thankful I am that a herd of docile sheep is not on my side. No big shock, since reality and logic has usually eluded the peasantry.
A word of advice, snookums. The next time you engage in a battle of wits, make sure that you come armed.

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Oh my word -

You are using Eso to define things with????

Man - get yourself another dictionary for cripes sake


~J

I am guessing that if you have read Eso, you haven't done so recently. Otherwise you would have known that I quoted nothing of his. I added the link to provide an independent wording to the definition, nothing more. I used Webster to define the words behind TPE. Not sure what problem you have with the guy though. At least he isn't afraid to express things the way they are, unlike the politically correct, sappy hive mind found all too often on these forums.

P.S. We like your profile. I shall be forwarding my Certificate of Uberdomliness from the Grand Council of Atlantean Masters to you shortly, along with $500 in dimes, quarters, confederate bills, shekels, and widow's mites.
 
Your friend,
MK

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For further discussion on this subject, I highly recommend the following link.

http://www.leathernroses.com/eso/esodefinitions.htm

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ESO?

Isn't that the guys that did....

It's a livin' thing............

or do you mean Morgan Freeman when he wore that rainbow colored afro on the kids show and read to everone?

Ron

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And I will certainly adhere to the hope that any offspring you may have exceed your mental capacity threefold. Oh, but that will never do, because 3 x 0 still equals 0. 

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checked that page, maybe you should re-read it, it has nothing to do with 24/7 anything.

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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy
And I will certainly adhere to the hope that any offspring you may have exceed your mental capacity threefold. Oh, but that will never do, because 3 x 0 still equals 0. 

Don't you dare bring my children into this you ass.