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RE: Question to A Master - 11/15/2006 2:48:34 PM   
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Very well said LoD, thank you for speaking on this topic.
Exactly my point agirl..... depending on your Master or Mistress deffination of dominance lays the groundwork for a 24/7 lifestyle.
BA you said you were no longer involved in this discussion and that you would be ignoring me till I said something you deemed intellegent. But your need to get the last word keeps over powering that conviction huh?
Edited to add the following.....
How I manage to stay on here so much, easy I am not really here unless I am making a post and then off I go to do 24/7 fluff bunny things. Really you just irk the hell outta me..... you double talk and contradict yourself throughout the world thread..... you think by ridaculing my spelling and intellegence you make yourself look better..... you accuse me off being the first to throw around insults when it was you who insulted me first...... and then you do not even have the balls to apologize slandering my children???? which is than and only then I shared my honest opinion that your an ass........whatever dumbass.

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/15/2006 6:00:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tallnsassy

recently I had a very interesting chat with someone who stated ..Dom/subs are just kinky vanillas..your opinion on this please


If one is kinky, one can't be vanilla

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/16/2006 3:49:59 PM   
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LordoDiscipline: Firstly, the only place I came close to insulting you personally beforehand was in telling you to learn math. And since you are still insisting on perverting and misinterpriting what the term 24/7 TPE really means, I would continue to advise that.
I said that I was not sure of the origin of the term 24/7, but you, like several others here, have decided to ignore what I write and attempt pathetically to belittle me. So for the record. here is the origin of that term. The term 24/7 TPE appears to have been created in a rival community to this one whose name I will withhold. The person credited with coining the term is a gentleman named Steven Davis, and was used in the mid 90's. Since I am using the ENTIRE TERM in its ENTIRE CONTEXT, your search for the origins of a PIECE of the ENTIRE TERM is completely off base. How can I emphasise it enough that the term MUST be taken COMPLETELY? But hell, lets play this silly, pointless game, if just to show how unreasonable you are being.
Since you insist on seperating the term in order to take it out of context, lets seperate something of yours as well. You called me a purist. Now the letters you used were derived from the Phonecian language. They did not have the equivalent of the letters U and I, so we are safe to ignore these, reducing the word to prst. The Phonecian letter for P looks like the number 7 and means mouth. The letter R in Phonecian sort of looks like a backward P or the number 4 and means head. The letter S is a t with 3 cross bars and means fish. The letter T looks like a cross and means hook. So you are calling me a mouth head fish hook?
What does this have to do with this debate? Actually it has as much to do with this debate as does your insisting on seperating 24/7 from TPE, then claiming that the term 24/7 is misapplied. We are not looking over a military letter here, we are talking about the term created by a fellow on an alternative lifestyle board, and that term is 24/7 TPE. Not 24/7, not TPE, but the combined effect of 24/7 TPE. When you are unable to misleadingly seperate the two, the context and meaning of the term is apparent, and that meaning obviously does not mean " ready to be called into service from a distance ". It means exactly what it looks like, and claiming that it has any other meaning is just downright dishonest. If you are going to break it down, why didn't you go even further and point out that 2 does not mean 4, and 2 and 4 does not mean 7? After all, the numbers 2, 4, and 7 existed long before any military adopted the term 24/7. You are trying to avoid the actual debate by employing rhetorical sleight of hand to distract people from it. I know that I wax repetative, but I feel like a teacher trying to convey a simple concept to a group of particularly slow and uncooperative children. I am forced to repeat myself because the hostile audience continues to pick and choose parts of an entire term in order to pretend the term doen't mean what it so obviously does.

And since you think to lecture me in logic, I think that I will point out a flaw you have made with it. You asked for an, and I quote:

" authoritative sourse of the definition of 24/7 which is not someone who is prostelyzing and justifying their lives which does not include codiciles... "

Well, nice straw man argument you have constructed there. Unfortunately a straw man is a logical fallacy. In essence you have set forth the proposition that any source which disagrees with you is not an authrotative source. Logical fallacy at it's worst. It is also an impossible task to accomplish. As much as I hate to break this to you, there are NO authoritative sources for BDSM in general or 24/7 TPE in specific. You cannot obtain a doctorate in Ass-Slapology at UCLA, MIT, or Texas A & M. Writing a book on the subject does not necessarliy make one an authority on the subject either. The closest we can get would be a general authority on the subject. With that in mind, lets look at a hypothetical scenario:

Master Itchycoo is a well known Shibari expert. He was born and raised in Japan, and has practiced BDSM rich in Japanese style protocol and ritual for most of his adult life. You decide to approach this gentleman and ask that he instruct you in shibari. Being the benevolent figure that he is, he agrees. He also informs you that he is quite experienced with caning, and asks if you would care to compare notes on it as well. So from this you may be safe in viewing him as majoring in shibari and minoring in cane. But do you ask him to instruct you in Gorean protocol? Of course you don't. If you want that, go to someone that lives the Gorean lifestyle.
Now, based on this, it is fairly safe to say that if you want information on 24/7 TPE, you don't go ask Master Pompous that has a degree in psychology and knows how swing a bullwhip. You would ask someone that lives or has lived in a 24/7 TPE relationship. And, just like Master Itchycoo above who, should you be tying a knot wrong, looks over your shoulder and tells you so, only a person that has actually engaged in 24/7 TPE can with any degree of authority whatsoever, look at what you are doing, and say " No, that isn't 24/7 TPE. It is close, but no cigar. " With that, it is not only safe, but entirely within my right to tell people that the on again, off again, whenever convenient thing that they erroniously call 24/7 TPE is absolutely, definately, positively NOT 24/7 TPE! I have been into clubs before and seen one person walk up to someone and say " Dude, you are swinging that cane too hard to be hitting with the center of it. It is going to wrap around and eventually break her skin. " The man making that observation was correct in making that correction, and was obviously experienced with the cane. I have also had the misfortune of being in on a conversation where a young man started informing a small group of Goreans that he was " classically trained in Gor, and had been through the entire progression of training from slave to master. " When the Goreans ( and myself ) finally stopped laughing, one of them informed the guy that he was describing Old Guard, not Gor. How is this in any shape, form, or fashion any different in me telling the " at our convenience " power exchangers that they are not 24/7 TPE?
Now lets talk insults. I am willing to bet that some people consider my calling them fluff bunnies and weekend ass slappers to be insulting. In all honesty I would have to agree. But have you ever considered that people telling me that what I call 24/7 TPE doesn't exist is insulting? After all, you are just saying that my slave and I don't exist. Do you not think it insulting to mock and ridicule this lifestyle by implying that we have to wear leather all of the time? Do you not find it both hypocritical and insulting to say how sick someone has to be to live it? And last but not least, lets look at another aspect of it. Bear with me here, because we are about to scurry back into the field of hypothesis for a minute, just to convey the magnatude of this particular insult.
Take a guy that fishes off a dock every Friday evening to relax. Lets say that he decides one day to walk into a bar near the dock, a bar frequented by career fishermen. After a few drinks, the fellow begins to compare his tiny excursions at fishing to theirs, and proudly declares himself a fisherman " just like you guys! ". Several of the fishermen, guys that spend 8 months a year on a boar at sea, are going to piss themselves from laughter at this ridiculous comparison.
Another scenario. A guy walks into a bar, and in this case it happens to be a gay & lesbian frequented bar. He talks with a couple of ladies at the bar, then announces that, since he has licked a carpet or two, he is a lesbian. The women calmly explain to him that he doesn't have the right plumbing to be a lesbian. But not to be outdone, he decides to insult them, telling them that there is no such thing as a woman that doesn't like the sausage, that none of them are really couples because the law does not allow it. The women are going to be outraged to say the least.
And one last scenario. Take a suburban Caucasian kid. He listens to rap, he wears baggy pants and a basketball jersey, he talks the Hollywood ghetto talk. Now, drop this kid down in the middle of an inner city slum. Have him approach a group of Crips or Bloods and tell them that he is Gangsta. You know what will happen? I'll tell you what will happen, you will soon have on your hands one very dead, badly mutilated cracker, thats what will happen. Some people of a particular lifestyle will laugh at poseurs and wannabes, and others will flat out kill them. My position is somewhere between the two. I will try to educate them, but failing that, will certainly ridicule them if they are too narrow minded to be corrected. After all, they are insulting me to begin with due to their posturing, false claims, and snide comments when I try and correct them. You people insult the hell out of me, my slave, and everyone else that actually is 24/7 TPE when you first claim to be it, then having failed to live up to the criteria of twenty four hour a day, seven days a week total power exchange, begin mocking and insulting us by telling us that we don't exist, that nobody ever does that, etc.
Several people have posted on this thread professing that they live this lifestyle and actually fit the criteria. The rest of you are calling these people liars by insisting that it doesn't exist. Sure, I have called people liars here too. But why? Because they ADMIT that they do not fit the bill of 24/7 TPE, but STILL insist that they ARE! So I am not insulting these people. I am calling them what they are, liars.
Now, you mock Eso as well as me, but you have yet to offer ANY counter argument to his and my lifestyle. You claim that his position is unsupportable, you give nothing except bluff and insult by way of discrediting it, yet still have the nerve to accuse ME of employing faulty logic! I have offered a source material which you scorn but fail to address. As of yet, you have failed to offer ANY source material by way of reference, making the score 1-0 in my favor on the credibility scale. Secondly, I have offered my own words as a self confessed participant in this lifestyle, making it now 2-0 in my favor. Oh, but wait, a couple of others have professed living it under the definition that the ENTIRITY OF THE TERM CONVEYS, placing the score at 4-0. How is the taste of piss now, LOD? Surely the class 5 hurricane has forced enough of it down your gaping mouth for you to answer that. So, if you CAN find fault in the logic, put your cards on the table and do so. Otherwise you are starting to look like a sickly peacock shaking his feathers in a futile effort to attract the attention of a foul. And another big shock, LOD, I came to this lifestyle NOT as a student of Eso's! I read an essay of his because I was looking for an alternative take on the term. I was living this way before I had ever heard of either Eso or the term 24/7 TPE.

agirl: Thank you for having the courage to come forward. And you are absolutely right in stating that it exists with different permeations. The term is clearly self explanatory for all but the most close minded or just plain obstinate of people. By its very structure and composition it tells us what it means. This doesn't stop there from being elbow room within it though. A slave or sub within it does not have to be chained, kept naked, and micro managed in order to live it. They can be, but the term does not require or even imply that. The only requirements it places upon the people following it is that one ( or more ) of the people engaging in it be willing and able to submit complete control of theirself to another on a 24/7 basis. Why people insist on mistaking this to mean " I will submit some degree of control to my S/O unless it otherwise interferes with my life. " is really beyond my comprehension.
Again, thanks for coming forward, and I am sorry that we have discovered that we and our significant others don't exist. It was nice knowing you before we were shoved out the door to oblivion by people that cannot begin to fathom that something deeper than their snuggly, holier than thou, politically correct mantras actually exists.

BitaTruble: Thanks to you too for coming forward about this, and even though neither of us exist, that vaporous part of false self consciousness that I think is me appreciates it. I am not about to try debating the finer points of your outlook there, but it certainly gives me something to ponder. I appreciate that too, because few people here can stimulate me mentally. Well, that is if I actually existed of course, which I don't. I do think it safe to say though that, despite the recipiants ability to exercise the control continiously, say because he is at work as you mentioned, or asleep, the recipiant is nevertheless still a part of the relationship.

Ok folks, i'm done. If you are still too dense to get this, you will never be able to.





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RE: Question to A Master - 11/16/2006 8:14:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

Mine is not a robot, and yet she is not allowed a career or children. She also isn't very damn quiet unless I gag her. I allow her very limited access to the outside world. She isn't permitted to answer the phone. Her diet, exercise, sleep, bathroom time, mobility around the house, and media are controlled by me. I dictate her hair color, and on the rare occasion that she is allowed to leave the house, her clothing. Her steel cuffs are not removed, and she remains chained to a 25 foot length of chain bolted to a wall. During our most recent election we discussed politics, and when I found that her political views varied considerably from my own, decided to leave her chained while I went to vote. She has a voice ( when I choose to allow it ), opinions, outlooks, and emotions, and would not be worth owning otherwise. But despite her individuality, she is still a slave within a 24/7 TPE relationship, so please don't tell me that this sort of life doesn't exist. I had already mentioned that very few people could or would live 24/7 TPE. Why do you think that I get so annoyed when every soccer mom fluff bunny claims to be 24/7 TPE? From what I can gather by reading Daddysprop's contributions, she and her owner live a very similar life.



Wow, well if it works for the two of you then i guess all the power to you. I would not want that kind of life for anything. She can't even have her own opinions? You micromanaged absolutely ever aspect of her life? Don't you get tired of it? As a submissive i sure the heck would. But if she's happy who am i to quibble over simantics.

I can't fathom being happy in that type of enviroment, but that is just me.

All i can say for myself is that my Dominant would be in my heart and mind 24/7, his wishes would be carried out as long as they weren't harmful or illegal 24/7 and I love Him 24/7. So no it would not be 24/7 TPE but i have a little one, and a career that i won't give up, as well as other things. I woud always do my very best to make him happy.

Lovely thing about this lifestyle is we all do what makes us happy and we use the terminology we choose to identify WIITWD. (yes we try and hope everyone is atleast on a similar page when talking about somehting, hehe) I don't get hung up on simantics cause really, as long as my partner and i are happy what others think really doesn't effect me *S*


*** sorry my responce is so delayed. damn flu bug *sighs*

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/16/2006 9:29:47 PM   
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you have no right to answer any questions for a Master dear brutalantipathy you are no Master by any means... why dont you tell everyone how much a man you are .. when your truck broke down you went into hiding and left your slaves in the dark... just before moving in with you... leaving one of them homeless. your nothing but a liar and a player and to be honest when i was at your house your not much of a dom either.  i am just glad to know there are real Men out there and real Dominants.. i kinda got wrapped up in your wanna be life.. your to much a coward to be anything more then a pussy.

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/16/2006 9:46:56 PM   
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Ok.. and here I thought the thread had deteriorated as far as it could go..

just go to show you how wrong one person can be..

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/16/2006 10:01:02 PM   
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i just think its funny he has so much to say but really not saying anything he puts people down and hes prolly the biggest looser on here. big words no brain lol i just get tired of it...

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/16/2006 10:02:14 PM   
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and then people still waste there time trying to make sense of anything he has to say.

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/17/2006 5:10:32 AM   
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I'll admit I'm a bit amazed that a thread asking a basically simple question, which was also answered early on by several has spiraled into yet another flame war with not a moderator in sight.

At the crux of this argument, like so many similar ones, seems to be a fight over possesion of words, the right to define what those words mean for all, and who has that right.  Oddly enough, it could be said that that in itself is a form of struggle for dominance.  Its nothing new.  The arguments and wars of words in the "community" over the terms "slave", "master", "dominant", "submissive", "power exchange", and many others seems to have no end.  And while I'm not one to back away from a fight, am stubborn, tenacious and persistent... even for me, it all gets tiresome.  Perhaps I've just seen these arguments too many times and seen them come to nothing, at a certain point, it all seems pointless.

You say you are a [fill in the blank].  Great, I'm happy for you.
You say you have a [fill in the blank] relationship.  Great, wish you all the best.
You say I can't be who I am because I don't fulfill your personal definition of [fill in the blank] or [fill in the blank] relationship.  Fine, fine... now ask me if I give a damn what you think.

And there endeth all such arguments.

My point being simply this.  Each of us must decide for ourselves who we are, who we wish to be and what we seek.  It is up to each of us to pursue that to the best of our own individual ability.  How successful we may, or may not, be will depend in large part on our own talent and ability to make our "vision" a reality.

My opinion is you can be anything you want be... provided you can find the means to do so.  I have my own vision for myself and my own life, something I work at daily in a manner I think most likely to produce the results I want.  To each of you pursuing yours, I sincerely wish you the best. 

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/17/2006 6:30:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy


LordoDiscipline: Firstly, the only place I came close to insulting you personally beforehand was in telling you to learn math. And since you are still insisting on perverting and misinterpriting what the term 24/7 TPE really means, I would continue to advise that.

 
My name is Joseph..  you can call me Mr. Howe.
 
You demand things of others (*an unrealistic and assuredly unrequited expectation - to be sure) and then state that you do not have to - and, insult them again...
 
Which part of this is escaping you?

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I said that I was not sure of the origin of the term 24/7, but you, like several others here, have decided to ignore what I write and attempt pathetically to belittle me. So for the record. here is the origin of that term. The term 24/7 TPE appears to have been created in a rival community to this one whose name I will withhold.


I thought you stated that it was defined by Eso on his posting to his web site? Now you are saying that we must trust you in your research and that we are wrong (all of us individually, because I fdo not agree with most of the people with their opinions here either)....

Something tells me that you are being a tad unreasonable here, Opie!

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The person credited with coining the term is a gentleman named Steven Davis, and was used in the mid 90's.


I was using this term in the 1980's in the military and, learned it from people who were using it in the 1970's - and, have seen it used on news reports for the history of the Vietnam War... so Mr. Davis must not be the originator. check it again.


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Since I am using the ENTIRE TERM in its ENTIRE CONTEXT, your search for the origins of a PIECE of the ENTIRE TERM is completely off base.


I am not sure how I would be using a "part of the term" in my responses - I am using the term "24/7" - that is not really divisable (if you look - 7 really does not go into 24 well )

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 How can I emphasise it enough that the term MUST be taken COMPLETELY? But hell, lets play this silly, pointless game, if just to show how unreasonable you are being.


Well - you are being irrrational...
 
So, I am not sure how "unreasonable" you are considering me - as that is subjective - and, you are really no longer remembering what is being said *you are attributing things to me I never said oir inferred*.

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Since you insist on seperating the term in order to take it out of context


Again - I did not do this... not sure why you would say that.

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...lets seperate something of yours as well. You called me a purist. Now the letters you used were derived from the Phonecian language.


24/7 are numbers... makes this rather a specious statement.

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They did not have the equivalent of the letters U and I, so we are safe to ignore these, reducing the word to prst. The Phonecian letter for P looks like the number 7 and means mouth. The letter R in Phonecian sort of looks like a backward P or the number 4 and means head. The letter S is a t with 3 cross bars and means fish. The letter T looks like a cross and means hook. So you are calling me a mouth head fish hook?
What does this have to do with this debate? Actually it has as much to do with this debate as does your insisting on seperating 24/7 from TPE, then claiming that the term 24/7 is misapplied.


Show me where the letters "TPE" are associated with 24/7 first.. then we can talk - but, until you do - you are blowing the proverbial smoke up my rear... it tickles, but is really not condusive to an intelligent conversation.
 
I can make up facts to... they will not make any more sense but, they will definitively be more fun,.
 
Did you know that Bullwinkle J. Moose is the president of the TPE Society of America? Yup - I know because I read it.
 
I wrote it down and I read it.
 
I believe everything I read.

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 We are not looking over a military letter here, we are talking about the term created by a fellow on an alternative lifestyle board, and that term is 24/7 TPE. Not 24/7, not TPE, but the combined effect of 24/7 TPE. When you are unable to misleadingly seperate the two, the context and meaning of the term is apparent, and that meaning obviously does not mean " ready to be called into service from a distance ". It means exactly what it looks like, and claiming that it has any other meaning is just downright dishonest. If you are going to break it down, why didn't you go even further and point out that 2 does not mean 4, and 2 and 4 does not mean 7? After all, the numbers 2, 4, and 7 existed long before any military adopted the term 24/7. You are trying to avoid the actual debate by employing rhetorical sleight of hand to distract people from it. I know that I wax repetative, but I feel like a teacher trying to convey a simple concept to a group of particularly slow and uncooperative children. I am forced to repeat myself because the hostile audience continues to pick and choose parts of an entire term in order to pretend the term doen't mean what it so obviously does.


Dude - you are ranting and peeing in the wind... and, starting to get everyone wet.
 
Once again - you cannot mold the facts to fit your argument.
 
The term 24/7 is (until I am proven wrong) of military origin.

Someone may have usurped it to use in leather - but, they are not the final arbitter of what is and is not 24/7 - just as you are not.
 
If you want to get some facts and place them in the postings you are writing - that is one thing - but, thus far, you are simply regurgitating things found on web sites with out attribution.
 
And, if you ARE going to use something from someone like ESO, then for the sake of clarity - VERIFY HIS STATEMENTS>

Much like you - he is irrational and tends to fir the world to his reality, vice finding the facts and adapting to it.

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And since you think to lecture me in logic, I think that I will point out a flaw you have made with it. You asked for an, and I quote:

" authoritative sourse of the definition of 24/7 which is not someone who is prostelyzing and justifying their lives which does not include codiciles... "

Well, nice straw man argument you have constructed there. Unfortunately a straw man is a logical fallacy. In essence you have set forth the proposition that any source which disagrees with you is not an authrotative source. Logical fallacy at it's worst. It is also an impossible task to accomplish. As much as I hate to break this to you, there are NO authoritative sources for BDSM in general or 24/7 TPE in specific. You cannot obtain a doctorate in Ass-Slapology at UCLA, MIT, or Texas A & M. Writing a book on the subject does not necessarliy make one an authority on the subject either. The closest we can get would be a general authority on the subject. With that in mind, lets look at a hypothetical scenario:

Master Itchycoo is a well known Shibari expert. He was born and raised in Japan, and has practiced BDSM rich in Japanese style protocol and ritual for most of his adult life. You decide to approach this gentleman and ask that he instruct you in shibari. Being the benevolent figure that he is, he agrees. He also informs you that he is quite experienced with caning, and asks if you would care to compare notes on it as well. So from this you may be safe in viewing him as majoring in shibari and minoring in cane. But do you ask him to instruct you in Gorean protocol? Of course you don't. If you want that, go to someone that lives the Gorean lifestyle.
Now, based on this, it is fairly safe to say that if you want information on 24/7 TPE, you don't go ask Master Pompous that has a degree in psychology and knows how swing a bullwhip. You would ask someone that lives or has lived in a 24/7 TPE relationship. And, just like Master Itchycoo above who, should you be tying a knot wrong, looks over your shoulder and tells you so, only a person that has actually engaged in 24/7 TPE can with any degree of authority whatsoever, look at what you are doing, and say " No, that isn't 24/7 TPE. It is close, but no cigar. " With that, it is not only safe, but entirely within my right to tell people that the on again, off again, whenever convenient thing that they erroniously call 24/7 TPE is absolutely, definately, positively NOT 24/7 TPE! I have been into clubs before and seen one person walk up to someone and say " Dude, you are swinging that cane too hard to be hitting with the center of it. It is going to wrap around and eventually break her skin. " The man making that observation was correct in making that correction, and was obviously experienced with the cane. I have also had the misfortune of being in on a conversation where a young man started informing a small group of Goreans that he was " classically trained in Gor, and had been through the entire progression of training from slave to master. " When the Goreans ( and myself ) finally stopped laughing, one of them informed the guy that he was describing Old Guard, not Gor. How is this in any shape, form, or fashion any different in me telling the " at our convenience " power exchangers that they are not 24/7 TPE?

 
Blah Blah Blah...much ado about nothing... Get a source. Get a life - and, stop pissing on the entire thing... you are not making sense, just ranting with the hope that someone will believe you in some way.
 
My statement was designed to get you to do some research - apparently you did and did not like what you found as you only allude to it here - and, offer nothing substansive by way of an argument - only sophist statements, insults, and barely intelligable dribble.
 
Are you Eso? (he did that once - contacted me with another name in the hope that he could manipulate me into doing something for him...).
 
I only ask because this is the same sort of silly idiocy that he would do in order to DEMAND that people believe him...
 
But, no - he has been through this round before.... and, he seldom strays from forums that he cannot control for obvious reasons...

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Now lets talk insults.


Oy - man, you started with this whole line of BS - "You insulted me more than I insulted you" - yaddah yaddah yaddah.
 
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 I am willing to bet that some people consider my calling them fluff bunnies and weekend ass slappers to be insulting. In all honesty I would have to agree. But have you ever considered that people telling me that what I call 24/7 TPE doesn't exist is insulting?p


You are rationalizing your poor behavior again...
 
"I am not so bad - because people insult me by not admitting I am right - and, not following my opinion on how they are worshipping the false god of an errant 24/7"

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After all, you are just saying that my slave and I don't exist. Do you not think it insulting to mock and ridicule this lifestyle by implying that we have to wear leather all of the time? Do you not find it both hypocritical and insulting to say how sick someone has to be to live it?


I find I do not agree with how the the Menonites live... no computers???

But, I seldom drive to PA to rail them for their ludditism. I would be "pissing in the wind"

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 And last but not least, lets look at another aspect of it. Bear with me here, because we are about to scurry back into the field of hypothesis for a minute, just to convey the magnatude of this particular insult.
Take a guy that fishes off a dock every Friday evening to relax. Lets say that he decides one day to walk into a bar near the dock, a bar frequented by career fishermen. After a few drinks, the fellow begins to compare his tiny excursions at fishing to theirs, and proudly declares himself a fisherman " just like you guys! ". Several of the fishermen, guys that spend 8 months a year on a boar at sea, are going to piss themselves from laughter at this ridiculous comparison.


Yes - and notice how many of the people in the bar are not that fisherman...
 
"Welcome to the Collarme bar - Can we take your order?"

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Another scenario. A guy walks into a bar, and in this case it happens to be a gay & lesbian frequented bar. He talks with a couple of ladies at the bar, then announces that, since he has licked a carpet or two, he is a lesbian. The women calmly explain to him that he doesn't have the right plumbing to be a lesbian. But not to be outdone, he decides to insult them, telling them that there is no such thing as a woman that doesn't like the sausage, that none of them are really couples because the law does not allow it. The women are going to be outraged to say the least.
And one last scenario. Take a suburban Caucasian kid. He listens to rap, he wears baggy pants and a basketball jersey, he talks the Hollywood ghetto talk. Now, drop this kid down in the middle of an inner city slum. Have him approach a group of Crips or Bloods and tell them that he is Gangsta. You know what will happen? I'll tell you what will happen, you will soon have on your hands one very dead, badly mutilated cracker, thats what will happen. Some people of a particular lifestyle will laugh at poseurs and wannabes, and others will flat out kill them. My position is somewhere between the two. I will try to educate them, but failing that, will certainly ridicule them if they are too narrow minded to be corrected. After all, they are insulting me to begin with due to their posturing, false claims, and snide comments when I try and correct them. You people insult the hell out of me, my slave, and everyone else that actually is 24/7 TPE when you first claim to be it, then having failed to live up to the criteria of twenty four hour a day, seven days a week total power exchange, begin mocking and insulting us by telling us that we don't exist, that nobody ever does that, etc.


Unrequited expectations once again dashed in the cold water of a reality bath....
 
Poop happens... buck up me lado.

quote:

Several people have posted on this thread professing that they live this lifestyle and actually fit the criteria. The rest of you are calling these people liars by insisting that it doesn't exist.


I have not once stated "it does not exist"...
 
I live leather 24/7...
 
For all you know and for all I have said about my relationship and y means of living (in this thread and on this board), I live it more stringently than you do.
 
And, it might even meet your specifications... I am only stating that 'You are not the arbiter of things leather - and, you are pissing in the wind."
 
I do believe some stated opinions on this are out of line with reality... but, it does not matter.

quote:

 Sure, I have called people liars here too. But why? Because they ADMIT that they do not fit the bill of 24/7 TPE, but STILL insist that they ARE! So I am not insulting these people. I am calling them what they are, liars.


People can lie to themselves and still be insulted by being called things... jsut human nature... but, you know that and simply choose to rationalize the behavior away as being your "bad ass self"... interesting take on a mentally healthy life.
'I am "ok" because I can insult the people who are not "ok" and that is "ok".'

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Now, you mock Eso as well as me, but you have yet to offer ANY counter argument to his and my lifestyle.


No - because that is not what I am talking about.
 
I live 'my' life to 'my' specifications.
 
I have no need to live it to someone's faulted argument of perfection or to describe it to some psuedo-intellectual ranting about "right" on a web board and unable to accept the fact that other people hold  beliefs outside of my own.
 
I am living my life.... and, quite happy with it.
 
You are making absolute "this is the way it is and anyone who is not doing it this way is wrong" statements -
 
I am telling you to "put up or shut up" - show me the money, hunny bunny!" Prove it
 
And, you are floundering about (that means: "Flopping about logically" because it cannot be proven as it is an "entirely subjective statements and personal opinion".
 
And, you cannot accept that - so you are lashing out at everyone as though that will make it "ok" - but, the fact is - it won't... 

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 You claim that his position is unsupportable, you give nothing except bluff and insult by way of discrediting it, yet still have the nerve to accuse ME of employing faulty logic!


You have been trying to prove his arguments (not even your own) -  for days... and, have failed miseraably...
 
I do not have t prove anything - you are diggging a hole deep enough for all of us to bury after offering condolences.

quote:

I have offered a source material which you scorn but fail to address. As of yet, you have failed to offer ANY source material by way of reference, making the score 1-0 in my favor on the credibility scale.


You have offered nothing credible... only hinted at it - or invoked the "Eso" logic.
 
If you want a debate - get some REAL sources and list them.
 
Not "it is elsewhere", "it is ESO" or "it is my belief"
 
(but the fact is, you have lost credibility with me - as you are not taking this seriously at all - simply hoping to toss out a bunch of half truths and hoping it will bury everyone into silence giving you some "tacit victory" in a debate that you do not have a stake in... )

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Secondly, I have offered my own words as a self confessed participant in this lifestyle, making it now 2-0 in my favor. Oh, but wait, a couple of others have professed living it under the definition that the ENTIRITY OF THE TERM CONVEYS, placing the score at 4-0.


Wow.... this is a contest - no one told me.
 
And, who elected you score keeper??
 
How about I get ten points for rationality?
 
There you go - I am ahead... Woooh Hoooh! (Everyone do the 'wave'!!)

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 How is the taste of piss now, LOD? Surely the class 5 hurricane has forced enough of it down your gaping mouth for you to answer that.


LMAO...
 
OK - you got me spewing coffe all ove the monitor with that one!!
 
I am dieing here!! AHHAAAAAAA LOL...
 
You really seem to think I care what you think about me or my beliefs (which I have not stated)... awfully odd of you.

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So, if you CAN find fault in the logic, put your cards on the table and do so. Otherwise you are starting to look like a sickly peacock shaking his feathers in a futile effort to attract the attention of a foul. And another big shock, LOD, I came to this lifestyle NOT as a student of Eso's! I read an essay of his because I was looking for an alternative take on the term. I was living this way before I had ever heard of either Eso or the term 24/7 TPE.


You are a theorist withoutn basis for a real life comparrison..
 
I know a lot of folks who (I am betting) live the life more stringently than you do - and, a lot more who do not.
 
And, they are happy people... they do not care whether you exist or not or how you define 24/7 - just as I do not.
 
Interestingly enough, I am empathetic to your rantings (mind set) , as I have seen it before (sincerely, you should talk to someone about it - but, you won't as you are too damed sure there is nothing wrong) - but, your personal assurance that 'you are right' will not make your thoughts any more valid or more real to those people mentioned.
 
Rather silly of you to think that they will.

~J


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RE: Question to A Master - 11/17/2006 6:32:17 AM   
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what D/s means to me, bearing in mind that it is a subjective view, and every Dom and sub may have different ideas. The important thing is that if they get together they are not poles apart and can compromise on trivial matters.



I  view my sub as a "partner", meeting her at eye level and sharing mutual respect. The roles taken fulfill one another's needs, rather than one's needs becoming more important than the other.

As a dominant, I choose my submissive, but the submissive also chooses me. This mutual choosing is a display of power for us both. The ability to choose  is a wonderful display of power.
We both have power. My power is not better than hers, and hers is not better than mine. They are just different.


A D/s relationship is an affectionate to loving partnership in which one partner freely chooses to empower the other in ways they select by mutual consent. It takes a very strong woman to be a magnificent and truly valued submissive, and it takes a good, kind, and respectful man to be a truly valued Dom.

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/17/2006 6:33:04 AM   
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Wow---
 
Is someone is not telling us about their past as accurately as they should in order for us to know how "real 24/7 TPE should be lived"??
 
~J
 
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ORIGINAL: ivy73

you have no right to answer any questions for a Master dear brutalantipathy you are no Master by any means... why dont you tell everyone how much a man you are .. when your truck broke down you went into hiding and left your slaves in the dark... just before moving in with you... leaving one of them homeless. your nothing but a liar and a player and to be honest when i was at your house your not much of a dom either.  i am just glad to know there are real Men out there and real Dominants.. i kinda got wrapped up in your wanna be life.. your to much a coward to be anything more then a pussy.


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RE: Question to A Master - 11/17/2006 6:39:34 AM   
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24/7/365 is another dimension too much to throw in the mix?

What does one do on leap day?

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/17/2006 6:41:50 AM   
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LMAO....
 
I am sure that this will completely throw off the equation (I believe it is Algebra, which would make these numbers Arabic)
 
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

24/7/365 is another dimension too much to throw in the mix?

What does one do on leap day?

SixDimensional Master  


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RE: Question to A Master - 11/17/2006 6:50:10 AM   
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Amen!

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/17/2006 7:13:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

24/7/365 is another dimension too much to throw in the mix?

What does one do on leap day?

SixDimensional Master  


What about when we set our clocks forward or set them back?
What about the fact that with each passing year we actually having longer years (the earth can no longer keep as accurate track of time that our clocks do since the rotation is slowing down as the moon pulls away from orbit) & every few years we are adding leap seconds... what do we do about those extra fragments of seconds each & every day of our lives when we are 24/7?

Well, what we do is accept that 24/7 is the simplest way to express uninterrupted/without cessation & it looks good in text & stop dissecting the shit out of it!

I agree.... this thread went way the heck off topic a long time ago & the inability to maintain focus on the topic presented speaks volumes about abilities to maintain any type of focus.

For shame....

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/17/2006 7:31:29 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

24/7/365 is another dimension too much to throw in the mix?


Comes to 0.00939334638

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What does one do on leap day?

Then it's 24/7/366, which comes to 0.009367681499


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RE: Question to A Master - 11/17/2006 7:35:14 AM   
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Oh, JaySUS......... and time zones and greenwich mean time and sidereal time and astronomical time.............

clearly there are not ever enough hours in a day for the involved kinkster.

God, I hope no Jews, Muslims, Chinese or other non-julian heritics have any kink thoughts on calenders..................

Nobody is ever going to have any sex if we gotta get this coordinated.

That's why I am glad there is no 24/7 in real life, it is just so two dimensional.

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/17/2006 8:32:45 AM   
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brutalantipathy has no idea what TPE or 24/7is to be honest lol, there was no rules there was no walking around naked there was nothing of the sort actually.  LOL just a small mind to go with the rest of him. he uses many big words with the help of a online source. other then that he is very limited to what he actually can think up on his own. yes brutalantipathy has a past a very recent past he fails to mention and we always remained quiet not sure out of embarassment or just ok well out of embarassment. i really felt sorry for him when his truck broke down and had to move in with his dad cuz he got fired from his job for not even trying to get to work. but i am wondering how much of that is even true seeing he has a slave already it hasnt even been that long but oh well more power to him i guess. sorry to be airing his dirty laundry but i thought E.everyone would like to know this person a little and see that really he is no more intelligent  then the dirt is we walk on.. Y.you can find him in the dictionary somewhere between coward and pathetic.

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/17/2006 9:13:27 AM   
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Chicago - Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?

As I was walking down the street one day

A man came up to me and asked me what the time was that was

on my watch, yeah

And I said

Does anybody really know what time it is

I don't

Does anybody really care

care

If so I can't imagine why

about time

We've all got time enough to cry

Oh no, no

And I was walking down the street one day

A pretty lady looked at me and said her diamond watch had

stopped cold dead

And I said

Does anybody really know what time it is

I don't

Does anybody really care

care

If so I can't imagine why

about time

We've all got time enough to cry

Oh no, no

And I was walking down the street one day

Being pushed and shoved by people trying to beat the clock,

oh, so I just don't know,

I just don't know

And I said, yes I said

Background Vocal:

People runnin' everywhere

Don't know the way to go

Don't know where I am

Can't see past the next step

Don't have to think past the last mile

Have no time to look around

Just run around, run around and think why

Does anybody really know what time it is

I don't

Does anybody really care

care

If so I can't imagine why

about time

We've all got time enough to die

Oh no, no

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