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majidah -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 6:32:50 PM)

Tell Us then..why do you wear Female Clothing? Why do you feel the need to associate yourself with such Feminine things? Females will always be the Superior sex as long as males like you aspire to be just like Us. Crossdressers are nothing but closet Female Supremacists. I know, I have a friend who wears panties.



gooddogbenji -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 6:35:33 PM)

I'll do this one piece by piece:

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ORIGINAL: majidah

Females come to restore. We come to bring about Peace.



Often, yes.  As do males.  I had, on another post, a pretty good list of women who came to do everything but restore.  Alas, I'm not about to go find it.  I can tell you though, that Queen Isabella didn't do all too much restoring, Milosevic was mostly doing his wife's bidding, Macbeth's wife was pretty damn fucked up, and lots of others, whom I can't think of.  Historically, women have been less overtly in power, but the saying "Behind every strong man there is a strong woman" also means behind every evil man, there is an evil woman.

Besides, have you ever seen two women in the workplace who don't get along and have their own cliques?  I have, and it aint pretty.

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males...are all about seek kill and destroy...whether it's intentional or not


Right.  As we have seen in history, many men are out there to kill and destroy.  However, with men in power, cities have been built, we have gone to the moon, and no matter how destructive we are, we are at a positve balance.


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Just think of the millions of sperm wasted through masturbation..thousands of potential Female Goddesses, washed down the cold ceramic toilet..Seek, kill, and destroy.


Could the same argument not be made of women ovulating?  Actually, since sperm is created whether we masturbate or not, and only the tiniest fraction could ever possibly become a person anyway, percentually, women waste a lot more.

Pregnant, barefoot, and in the kitchen, say I!

Yours,


benji



Morrigel -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 6:36:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Often, yes.  As do males.  I had, on another post, a pretty good list of women who came to do everything but restore.  Alas, I'm not about to go find it.  I can tell you though, that Queen Isabella didn't do all too much restoring, Milosevic was mostly doing his wife's bidding, Macbeth's wife was pretty damn fucked up, and lots of others, whom I can't think of.  Historically, women have been less overtly in power, but the saying "Behind every strong man there is a strong woman" also means behind every evil man, there is an evil woman.


My personal favorites are Elizabeth Bathory and Ilse Koch.

--M



gooddogbenji -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 6:37:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Morrigel

My personal favorites are Elizabeth Bathory and Ilse Koch.

--M


My personal favourite is my ex, the vile bitch, but that really is personal.

Yours,


benji



LadyHugs -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 6:38:53 PM)

Dear sissifytoserve, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Correctly so, truth may not be a pleasant business.  However, in my mind's eye it can be delivered in a more pleasant manner, without stripping the vast negative contained within that 'truth.'
 
History has contained a lot of 'ugly' truths, where men have claimed their superiority by skewing facts and philosphy to suit the agendas of one or many.
 
Women through the ages have been surpressed and by those who claimed 'male superiority.'  From Bible times and before, to the present.  Women have been judged inferior because they lacked a penis.  To this day, women in the work force get 3/4 of the pay a man does for the same job.  To this day, a good many still believe a woman's place is barefoot, pregnant and subserviant to men.  That said, there have been men, who have a good sense of superiority, have given women a hand up in civilization, as to empower them and to join with them, as to just be given a chance of equal respect and equal chance.
 
History provides women, a series of documented proof of 'suffering' under the hands of men, cloaked in religious, governmental, military and or Imperialism, based on male superiority.  One ugly period was during the Inquisition.  Over 2,000 women, children and babies were thrown into the Nuremberg ovens, burned alive.  Women have, through history been treated with prejudice, bias, hate and such.
So, I can understand why women can be angry.  The question is--what lessons of the past can we take and make a more positive future of it all.
 
In my mind's eye, I am responsible for my own superiority and not because of my genitals but, by the content of my character.
 
In the scene context, some individuals enjoy the tilted power, of being in a female surpremacy relationship.  It is their cup of tea.  It makes them both happy.  If unhappy, the parties can part company.
Agree or disagree with the individual philosophy; it really boils down to treat everything with the same tolerances as you request, extended back. 
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs



sissifytoserve -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 6:40:53 PM)

You have all the answers...you already know everything.

you are "superior" after all.


Let me get back to my "inferior"..life..thanx.


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In fact...now that i think about it....Its possible your type of thinking is the cure for my crossdressing altogether.

Never thought that was possible untill today.



Agreed Goodogbenji....and what about the mythical KALI..the (female) Destroyer?




LTRsubNW -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 6:45:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: majidah

Just think of the millions of sperm wasted through masturbation..thousands of potential Female Goddesses, washed down the cold ceramic toilet...



(Now see...I don't look at it quite that way...I consider all of it "research") 



undergroundsea -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 6:50:10 PM)

I wonder if some of the disagreements here stem from different interpretations of what female supremacy means. I define female supremacy differently based on whether it is under a BDSM context or a general context.

In the general context, I see female supremacy to mean every woman is in or should be in a supreme position over every man in society at large. I disagree with this notion.

Within BDSM, I see it to mean a paradigm in which females have a supreme role and a higher social status. I enjoy this idea and find it to be one of my core BDSM interests. Some of the best moments I have had have been at gatherings where men, or I alone, served a group of women.

However, I have a disclaimer. For me, BDSM spans different parts of me and is central to my romantic and sexual expression. I do not have to engage in romantic or sexual behavior but I do need to feel a certain way about the person and the situation even to be submissive in a non-sexual manner. It is important for me to feel socially attracted or neutral, and feel comfortable about space. How I feel about a given situation would depend on how I feel about the activity in question and whether I feel appropriate chemistry with the person in question. For example, the threshhold for the chemistry is low for fetching a drink. For other activities, it may be different.

I am interested to hear how others define female supremacy.

Cheers,

Sea



LadyHugs -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 6:59:35 PM)

Dear undergroundsea, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I do agree with your observations.  In my mind's eye, regardless if the topic is about female surpremacy, BDSM, cooking, serving tea, fixing an automobile; there will always be those with a different view on such things.
 
In my mind's eye, is being focused on my own world and what works for me. 
 
In relationships, it is a mixing of the ingredients that makes a recipe for success, where two or more can join with what is more common, rather than what is most uncommon.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs



undergroundsea -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 7:09:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: majidah
Females will always be the Superior sex as long as males like you aspire to be just like Us. Crossdressers are nothing but closet Female Supremacists. I know, I have a friend who wears panties.


Discussions about this topic often lead to a distinction between female superiority and female supremacy. One reason the two are sometimes interpretted interchangably is because some female supremacists believe the superiority is why the supremacy should exist.

Do you feel women are superior to men in general? If so, I am curious what your criteria is to determine whether one person is superior to another.

Cheers,

Sea



Morrigel -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 7:13:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: undergroundsea

I am interested to hear how others define female supremacy.


I define female supremacy as the absolute and inalienable right of every woman to control her own body and destiny, to choose her own place in the scheme of things--in the various realms of work, family, intimate relationships, or worship of higher powers--and to do whatever is necessary to achieve happiness as she personally defines it.

A woman who chooses to live in passionate devotion at the feet of a man she chooses to worship is every bit as "supreme", so far as I am concerned, as a femme domme bending over the bound ecstatic victim at her feet.  You cannot yield power unless you have it in the first place...and power, whether wielded or yielded, is something all women have.

--M



DiannaVesta -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 7:17:18 PM)

I'm sleepy. I'll be back tomorrow to make comment. Nite all and very kinky dreams.



gooddogbenji -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 7:17:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Morrigel

I define female supremacy as the absolute and inalienable right of every woman to control her own body and destiny, to choose her own place in the scheme of things--in the various realms of work, family, intimate relationships, or worship of higher powers--and to do whatever is necessary to achieve happiness as she personally defines it.

A woman who chooses to live in passionate devotion at the feet of a man she chooses to worship is every bit as "supreme", so far as I am concerned, as a femme domme bending over the bound ecstatic victim at her feet.  You cannot yield power unless you have it in the first place...and power, whether wielded or yielded, is something all women have.

--M


Replace female with male in there, and you have a definition for both female and male supremacy, which could co-exist.

So what makes the female supreme?

Yours,


benji



undergroundsea -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 7:20:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: orfunboi
You want to see a male supremacist site, trot over to the Gor boards and take a look around.


Gor is indeed based on male supremacy, and is lifestyle or kink based on a series of fantasy books. It is also frowned upon and considered a stepchild of BDSM by many. I myself do not subscribe to Gor because of the rigid roles it assigns.

So I think your reference to Gor does not help to make an argument for female supremacy.

On that note, what do you see to be different between Gor and female supremacy aside from the swap of gender roles?

Cheers,

Sea



Morrigel -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 7:36:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji


Replace female with male in there, and you have a definition for both female and male supremacy, which could co-exist.


Bingo.

--M



DiannaVesta -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 7:38:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Morrigel

quote:

ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji


Replace female with male in there, and you have a definition for both female and male supremacy, which could co-exist.


Bingo.

--M


Doesn't suprise me you agree with this.



gooddogbenji -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 7:41:06 PM)

So then who is supreme?  Supremacy is a relative term, so in order for someone to be supreme, another must be below.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea, I just don't see it as any form of supremacy.

Yours,


benji



Lordandmaster -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 7:41:37 PM)

Then calling it "supremacy" is misleading, to say the least.  Normally, referring to the supremacy of a class or kind implies that other classes or kinds cannot attain the same heights.  What you've been talking about sounds more like "living the fullest life one can."

Edited to add: Shit, benji and I said essentially the same thing within 30 seconds of each other.

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ORIGINAL: Morrigel

quote:

ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Replace female with male in there, and you have a definition for both female and male supremacy, which could co-exist.


Bingo.



Morrigel -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 7:41:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

Doesn't suprise me you agree with this.


You type really well for someone who's asleep.

--M  



Morrigel -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/12/2006 7:48:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Then calling it "supremacy" is misleading, to say the least. 


The word only seems misleading because it has been tainted by association with too many people in the last 100 years who were so weak and lacking in real identity that they could not achieve their own greatest good without casting others down and depriving them of their rights based on some arbitrary accident of birth.  [;)]

A whole lot of people need to actually read Neitzsche, rather than the Cliff's Notes or Beyond Good and Evil For Dummies.

--M



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