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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/15/2006 10:16:01 PM

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Yeah, sure, agree with me NOW, after they issued a fatwa for my head in Kentucky.

May Allah the merciful grant you peace in your days, and endless virgins in the hereafter.

You are hereby granted sanctuary from reprisals for a period of 30 days ....

Now go get some of those 10,000 virgins from mnottertail, or some of them free, world-class blow jobs from missturbation.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/16/2006 6:58:53 AM

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The Constitution -- interesting that you would claim that a bunch of rebels are conservatives, and even more interesting considering how the current administration

Your blindness to the fact that the current administration has very little to do with conservative is why you can't understand. They were a bunch of rebels in the third person. In the possessive, they were "OUR" founding fathers. The rights of the constitution were and are conservative principles in comparison to the Royal crown of the times.

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It makes no sense to me to to diminish women's suffrage and civil rights as liberal accomplishments,

I didn't diminish them, if they've been "successes" why do they still require "more equal" status? It's the liberals themselves that indicate that the programs are failures because they fight any attempt to eliminate these prejudicial regulations.

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The 'bail out' of Chrysler Motors under Lee Iaccoca. -- that was merely a loan guarantee, but it did come from a democratic congress.

Until you lose the wrongly applied association of conservative to a political party you won't learn anything. The loan guarantee went into place, Chrysler survived, workers maintained their jobs, and the guarantee expired. It's so simple you should be able to understand it as the definition of a working program. As to the Democratic reference; is limited abortion a liberal position? Gun control? Check the positions of recently elected Democratic Senators and you may lose the close party liberal/conservative association.

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US Stock Exchange -- this is a comical example considering the Stock Market crashed in 1929 under the not-so-watchful eye of Herbert Hoover and the conservatives who preceded him.

It crashed a few times, never went bankrupt like say, Social Security.

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The Panama Canal -- well, Teddy Roosevelt gets credit for finishing a project started by the French!

This time the French surrendered to the mosquitoes.

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As for the ones that follow, about all I can say is *yawn*.

Discounting doesn't make them go away. You may need more sleep.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/16/2006 7:19:37 AM

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The Constitution -- interesting that you would claim that a bunch of rebels are conservatives, and even more interesting considering how the current administration

The rights of the constitution were and are conservative principles in comparison to the Royal crown of the times.

I've got to agree here. The reason the US constitution has survived was precisely because it was conservative. Unlike the French revolutionary constitution (one of the reasons the French revolution ironically came about was because they bankrupted themselves helping the American rebels and had to raise taxes at home) and the Russian revolutionary constitution which were both far more radical and liberal than the US constitution, never survived. The British constitutional settlement at the time was far more liberal than the American constitution too.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/16/2006 9:28:01 AM

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WWII.

WWII was a liberal program?

And if it "worked" how do you explain Korea or the "Cold War"?

Why stop there?

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/16/2006 9:32:27 AM

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Feel free to expand and explain as much as you wish. I'm here to learn about the liberal WWII and how, as you identify it as a liberal program, it succeeded to bring peace throughout the world.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/16/2006 10:24:23 AM

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It could be argued that universal education and the war on poverty was a liberal programme which gives a nation a healthy educated workforce that can compete with other nations. Conservatives were happy with laissez faire capitalism and to hell with the consequences.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/16/2006 12:45:43 PM

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Actually, liberal men have bigger penises than conservative men, and liberal women are more orgasmic than conservative women. This was proven in a study I found online, but none of you would believe it anyway, so I won't bother posting a link to it.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/16/2006 12:49:09 PM

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Actually, liberal men have bigger penises than conservative men, and liberal women are more orgasmic than conservative women. This was proven in a study I found online, but none of you would believe it anyway, so I won't bother posting a link to it.

Was that the same study that said that Libertarians were more likely to be bi-sexual switches?

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/16/2006 2:07:08 PM

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>We have reviewed several theories of individual differences,
epistemic and existential needs, and individual and collective
rationalization to arrive at eight specific hypotheses concerning the
motivated social–cognitive bases of political conservatism. In
what follows, we consider evidence for and against the hypotheses
that political conservatism is significantly associated with (1)
mental rigidity and closed-mindedness, including (a) increased
dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity, (b) decreased cognitive
complexity, (c) decreased openness to experience, (d) uncertainty
avoidance, (e) personal needs for order and structure, and (f) need
for cognitive closure; (2) lowered self-esteem; (3) fear, anger, and
aggression; (4) pessimism, disgust, and contempt; (5) loss preven-
tion; (6) fear of death; (7) threat arising from social and economic
deprivation; and (8) threat to the stability of the social system. We
have argued that these motives are in fact related to one another
psychologically, and our motivated social–cognitive perspective
helps to integrate them. We now offer an integrative, meta-analytic review of research on epistemic, existential, and ideological bases of conservatism.<

Actually I got that from findings in a Sociology paper named:

POLITICAL CONSERVATISM AS MOTIVATED SOCIAL COGNITION, Psychological Bulletin, 2003, Vol. 129, No.3, 339-375

Authors:

John T. Jost, Stanford University
Arie W. Kruglanski, University of Md. College Park
Jack Glaser University of California, Berkeley
Frank J. Sulloway, University of California, Berkeley

Basically the findings are about how conservatives don't react well to facts or information that might threaten their own pre-existing belief systems. Examples include: mixed marriage, Sabbath observance,
the theory of evolution, modern art, royalty, White superiority, socialism, women
judges, apartheid, birth control, suicide,
jazz music, divorce.

I thought about this when watching FRONTLINE's report last night on Jim West. (Not the gay culture icon from the Wild Wild West, BTW.)

JIM WEST:

"Spokane Mayor Jim West, who championed an anti-gay agenda during his tenure as one of the most powerful Republicans in the Legislature, yesterday admitted to using the trappings of his current office to entice what he thought was a young adult man but denied allegations that he molested two young boys more than 20 years ago."

Cloudboy, i am a bit tired, but tomorrow i'll look for a sociological or pyschological study that says the opposite..these are called the "soft sciences" for a reason. All i can say now is i am a conservative (in the main) but i object to none of the things you listed; i am not a liar or a harmer of anyone unmentionable, and i am not well-described by the "hypotheses" your study "reviewed".

Setting aside the fact that these authors admittedly did not conduct any original research of their own, what did they conclude?

~as always, with affection~

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/16/2006 4:19:07 PM

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"My one and only question regarding liberal doctrine is provide an example of one liberal program that worked or works? "

.....can't speak for the US, but i'd argue strongly for the National Health service in the UK. Mind you, that only works if we define liberal as opposite to conservative.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/16/2006 4:37:47 PM

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OK, 14 pages later, and we still don't have a root cause analysis that is even a beta definition of why conservatives are happier, and after careful review, I must admit I am flummoxed, I was at one point led along the primrose path that it might be due to thermite,
and somhow the study was skewed and included a unwarrented sampling of fundamentalist Islamic terrorists involved in the WTC debaucle (or high-ranking government officials associated with the cover-up?) but now, my mind wanders another way? Could it be that they inhale more freon than liberals?

Throw me in a frame of reference guys..........

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/16/2006 4:37:56 PM

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Yeah, sure, agree with me NOW, after they issued a fatwa for my head in Kentucky.

LOL .......... it's okay bud, we'll get you on the underground railroad and you can hide in the shed with Rushdie.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/16/2006 4:43:36 PM

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Yeah, sure, agree with me NOW, after they issued a fatwa for my head in Kentucky.

LOL .......... it's okay bud, we'll get you on the underground railroad and you can hide in the shed with Rushdie.

Lam, if you can work it out with the underground railroad will you pick me up a full set of KKK gear?

Gen Stuart

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/16/2006 4:48:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Yeah, sure, agree with me NOW, after they issued a fatwa for my head in Kentucky.

LOL .......... it's okay bud, we'll get you on the underground railroad and you can hide in the shed with Rushdie.

Lam, if you can work it out with the underground railroad will you pick me up a full set of KKK gear?

Gen Stuart

Jeb, errrr, Ron, we can send you some fitted sheets, but you'll have to find your own hood and decals .

PS- the above was a joke.......... anyone mistaking it for me having anything to do with any nitwitted bigots needs to contact Level's Land Office and Real Estate, we have business to conduct in the swamplands of Loosana.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/16/2006 4:50:29 PM

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philosophy: .....can't speak for the US, but i'd argue strongly for the National Health service in the UK. Mind you, that only works if we define liberal as opposite to conservative.

Sorry to say but I don't have enough education about the UK to make a judgment. But there are a few questions it raises. When did the NHS start? What was the history? What was the transition like? I remember when traveling there, the people said there was an option to take out some additional insurance policy which gave you access to a different level of service, is that the case?

You know, in some regards US a US national health program would be a conservative initiative, or at least a pro corporation initiative. Last week, US auto makers met with the President. They noted that health coverage for their employees cost more per car than the steel that went into making the car. If the union won health coverage was replaced by a national plan my guess is most corporations paying all or a portion of their employees health coverage would be for it. It presents an interesting talking point in the discussion regarding representing corporations, and those who run them, as bastions of conservatism.

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Could it be that they inhale more freon than liberals?

If it goes by inhaling both beth and I are staunch conservatives.

Oh wait! Freon??

Nevermind...

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/16/2006 4:57:51 PM

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Yeah, I got alot of hard miles on me, and I even smoked meth and crack a couple times, what the fuck is the big attraction to that? It reminds me of when we used to hang drycleaning bags from the ceiling and light them on fire with a pan of water under them when we were stoned on acid......

Thats what the shit tastes like is burning drycleaner bags and not nearly as amusing as acid.......

Ooops, that ain't the thrust of this thread at all is it? My bad......a flashback on one of Mercs phrases, whether intended or not.

Ron

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/16/2006 5:20:33 PM

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I've got to agree here. The reason the US constitution has survived was precisely because it was conservative. Unlike the French revolutionary constitution (one of the reasons the French revolution ironically came about was because they bankrupted themselves helping the American rebels and had to raise taxes at home) and the Russian revolutionary constitution which were both far more radical and liberal than the US constitution, never survived. The British constitutional settlement at the time was far more liberal than the American constitution too.

You guys are FULL OF SHIT. At the time the US Constitution was drafted it was LIBERAL. Today it remains LIBERAL.

LOCKE, HUME, and HOBBS --- were all liberal philosophers and pioneers in the theory of government by SOCIAL CONTRACT based primarly on protecing property interests. These guys laid the ground work for the US Constitution as it came into being.

These guys were and still remain, THE LIBERAL PHILOSOPHERS. Get a grip on your history, would you!

>Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights. It seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power, especially of government and religion, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports relatively free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of all citizens are protected.[2]<

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/16/2006 5:23:06 PM

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Sorry, but no conservative writes in that color font.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/16/2006 5:37:44 PM

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Did any of these three stooges put their John Hancock on the motherfucker?

I am wont to disregard the lode stone of the wiki for a couple reasons:
one, on another thread they talked about the clonewar attack on it, so this could be a virus, this link, and not what the authors intended.

And two, having the wherewithal to peruse this seminal document, I believe it overemphasises the origin of liberal and conservative thought. I suspect amoebas could be classified in this fashion and then we are precariously athwart a very slippery slope.

Perhaps we should be discerning enough, that we believe only half of what we see, and aught of what we read or hear.

Queequeg

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/16/2006 5:39:05 PM

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cloudboy,

Your point of view might be better considered with a little less ... vehemence, perhaps?

1. Go figure. *shrugs* I never knew you could categorize someones belief based on the color of the fonts that they use on the internet.

I guess I've learned something new.

2. I'd think I could make a pretty good argument that many of the classical liberal beliefs of around the time of the American Revolution are the core of what is known as "conservativism" in the US today.

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