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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/18/2006 9:46:15 AM

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You have to put the NHS and British public services in their context and that context is nigh on 50 years of neglect. For all of Blair's/this current administrations failings they can not be charged with wasting millions on the NHS. The reason being, the benefit of this investment will take decades to come to fruition due to the previous years of neglect.

Personally, I do not believe there is a group of people or Government on this planet who are capable of turning around the fortunes of British public services in a 9 year period.

Even the government admits there has been vast amounts of waste.

As for not turning the public services round in nine year, they could have improved buses in one by re-regulating them but Blair doesn't believe in regulation if it isn't him micro-managing.

Investment is a great idea. Government micro-managing is a disastrous idea and Blair has proved so.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/18/2006 9:46:49 AM

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Because being conservative is basically being without change. They live in their world, surrounded by things that are constant, and are really only UNhappy when something comes along to jar them into moving forward. I'm not trying to be patronizing, but that's just how I see it. Liberals, on the other hand, are always striving into a world of change, where something that makes them happy isn't always available. Take, just for instance, the gay rights fight happening in America. Conservative (mostly) Christians are content to know that their world isn't changing. A countrywide bill can't get passed to either ban or legalize gay marriage. Things remain the same. Liberals, on the other hand, AREN'T happy because things AREN'T changing.

*shrug*

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/18/2006 9:57:53 AM

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Because being conservative is basically being without change. They live in their world, surrounded by things that are constant, and are really only UNhappy when something comes along to jar them into moving forward. I'm not trying to be patronizing, but that's just how I see it. Liberals, on the other hand, are always striving into a world of change, where something that makes them happy isn't always available. Take, just for instance, the gay rights fight happening in America. Conservative (mostly) Christians are content to know that their world isn't changing. A countrywide bill can't get passed to either ban or legalize gay marriage. Things remain the same. Liberals, on the other hand, AREN'T happy because things AREN'T changing.

*shrug*

I don't think that is correct. I want a change, not the current system, it sucks as far as I'm concerned.Of course almost all the changes that I disagree with are financial. Not everything that happened to this country was for the better, assuming that we never made a mistake in the direction this country took(that would be the assumption if you never looked back and said oh that was a better way of doing things), is just as flawed as thinking a new system could never be better.

Is that how some define it, that conservatives all want things just like they are right now. LOL. No, some things need to be changed how they were. Again from my perspective most of what I want changed has to do with finances. I don't think any conservative or liberal want to roll back the obvious good things like civil rights.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/18/2006 10:08:33 AM

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You have to put the NHS and British public services in their context and that context is nigh on 50 years of neglect. For all of Blair's/this current administrations failings they can not be charged with wasting millions on the NHS. The reason being, the benefit of this investment will take decades to come to fruition due to the previous years of neglect.

Personally, I do not believe there is a group of people or Government on this planet who are capable of turning around the fortunes of British public services in a 9 year period.

Even the government admits there has been vast amounts of waste.

If you invest in an inefficient, run-down system there will be serious waste as the system does not have the ability to manage efficiently. As improvements are made waste will reduce. As said, it will take decades to turn the NHS into a smooth operation.

In some areas we have it right. For example, British standards of midwifery are considered to be the best in the world (alongside the Dutch). In other areas, we have real problems such as a shortage of beds/wards.

The potential is there for us, we simply have to guard against the conservative notion that there is sufficient funding and it's simply not being used wisely. They say this as a result of their commitment towards big business and reduced public spending rather than any notion of truth. Unfortunately, as a nation we tend to fall for all this bollocks.

As for not turning the public services round in nine year, they could have improved buses in one by re-regulating them but Blair doesn't believe in regulation if it isn't him micro-managing.

Investment is a great idea. Government micro-managing is a disastrous idea and Blair has proved so.

I agree with this point. Politicians are not best placed to run a hospital. However, this is not the key reason why the NHS appears to be failing. It is a legacy of years of conservatism and reduced public spending.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/18/2006 10:11:39 AM

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Does anyone realize that this thread is 16 pages long?

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/18/2006 10:17:49 AM

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Does anyone realize that this thread is 16 pages long?

Yes, it's a fun thread.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/18/2006 10:19:04 AM

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Ok, just checkin....have fun.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/18/2006 3:26:21 PM

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"Why are conservatives happier than liberals?"

Because their kids have the new "Talking Jesus Doll?"

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/18/2006 3:34:45 PM

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I'm a liberal, and I'm happy.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/18/2006 3:41:53 PM

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I'm a liberal, and I'm happy.

That's two of us, cuddle. For the benefit of those who find it hard to tell whether or not I'm a conservative my social outlook is liberal and I'm as happy as a pig in shit

well, most of the time, particularly when the Government cheque comes through my letter box.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 12/3/2006 5:41:56 PM

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Why are conservatives happier than liberals?

Difficult question, here's my shot.

As much as they don't tend to seem to like each other they are both reliant on the other.

(total stereotyping again) Conservatives tend to be the type A's while the liberals tend to flourish more in the obscure.

Conservatives fall back on religion, liberals question it.

There are many contrasts, however when you have the ability to think outside the envelope you have aan ability to see the world as it is...not what you have been informed about it's existence.

I saw several posts that ignorance is bliss...And as simple and possibly flippant as this response is there is something that rings of truth within it.

The war is just. Jesus was a European. Global warming is a myth. God loves America. Other countries should accept our will.We are the greates nation on Earth....who wouldn't be happy.

Out.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 12/3/2006 7:51:28 PM

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LOL,

Lam, did you see the Newsweek picture on msn?

Old man bush looking like a deer caught in the headlights as his JR is pontificating, it has got to be the shits if you are trying to distance yourself from your son.....

Should be entitled, the american legacy.........

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 12/4/2006 6:46:24 AM

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Republicans have all had lobotamies. Its the law! And research shows, people who've had lobomaties, are happier than people who havent had lobotamies.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 12/31/2007 8:49:01 AM

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Very Happy:
Conservative Repubs--47%
Moderate/liberal Repubs--45%

Conserv/moderate Dems--31%
Liberal Dems--28%

34 years straight. Any suggestions why?

Greetings saskslave,

The reasons for this are actually kind of obvious--if one reads, listens to, and observes the groups:
Right-wingers--who are almost always misrepresented as conservative--KNOW they are ALWAYS RIGHT. They are happy because they hold THE true knowledge and know they hold it!

They apparently believe that when their masters finally get control of everything on the planet, those masters will then distribute largesse upon their worker bees. (Like THAT's going to happen!)

Everyone else is less happy because they do not know the revealed truth of the universe. They actually have to think about things, and analyze data--if they want to survive. "Independents" know the news media do not report the worst of what is happening in the world, so they assume the world is worse off than is reported, so they are even less happy than "Democrats".

There is a big problem with this idea, though: It conforms to no big-name formal ideology. This idea is based purely on observation accumulated over a few decades. No one makes money from My idea, so it must be wrong.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 12/31/2007 8:52:54 AM

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Republicans have all had lobotomies. Its the law! And research shows, people who've had lobotomies, are happier than people who haven't had lobotomies. [ed]

Gosh, sophia37, I missed the Occam's Razor on this one! The simplest idea which adequately explains the facts wins! MD

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 12/31/2007 10:00:32 AM

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Perhaps there are more repubbies than dems that can afford happy meds. Just a thought.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 12/31/2007 10:18:56 AM

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Apparently, they are not happy enough to suck a cock to win the war on terror, but are quite content to do so in the airports, (maybe a thousand points of light sort of thing) and this may be why the alert level is mcdonalds orange.

Homeland security.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 12/31/2007 10:34:22 AM

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In terms of the argument that liberals are smarter than conservatives- there's actually some new data that sheds some interesting light on the subject.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/11/16/conservative

Quick summary- nope, liberals and conservatives at an undergrad level get the same grades- so using that as a proxy, same intelligence. However, going on to get a Ph.D- well, liberals outnumber conservatives by a factor of 2:1- conservatives want to start making money and raise a family, liberals want to think great thoughts. This also explains why there is a well known bias on college campuses that professors tend to be liberal.

Overall- why are conservatives happier? Well, they're less well educated about the world-again suggesting the truism that ignorance (note, not stupidity) is bliss. Think about it- would you really want to know that your career is doomed to being a slave of the landed gentry- or would you rather labor under the happy delusion that you can get ahead?

Perhaps a less provocative truism is- Curiosity killed the cat.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 12/31/2007 11:22:54 AM

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Sam, you don't need a Ph.D to "think great thoughts."
And, I know a lady who took another Master's degree rather than a Ph.D so that she wouldn't be "overqualified."

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 12/31/2007 12:38:41 PM

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"Sam, you don't need a Ph.D to "think great thoughts."

True- but if you want to write a thesis about them that might be accepted by academe- it does help.

We had a truism in grad school- "If you can't communicate your findings, why did you bother to do the research?"

And it's a sad state of affairs that someone doesn't explore their full potential because it will limit their career opportunities, but since that happened to me, I can certainly sympathize with a person getting a masters to remain more employable. It really sucks to get a Ph.D. and then not get a job- you're screwed six ways from Sunday.

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