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St. Catherine's wheel - 11/26/2006 7:31:55 PM

MsSpankhardSk

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Does anyone have a pattern to make one of these? I like the St. Andrew's cross but I also want to make the wheel first.
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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/26/2006 8:06:49 PM

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A St. Catherine's wheel? Isn't that a wheel that impales and breaks the person on it?

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/26/2006 8:24:20 PM

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St Catherine's Wheel is almost like a big wagon wheel laid horizontal to the floor on a hub so it spins. You have many tie off ponts and can rotate the person tied on it.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/26/2006 8:26:45 PM

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Usually it's perpendicular to the floor.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/26/2006 9:00:25 PM

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So far I have only found something called a German wheel...its for exercising and that's not quite what I had in mind. http://www.gym-wheel.com/RRBau.htm
Nothing found within a torture museum-has shown any real design so far.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/27/2006 6:19:01 AM

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I have helped make one of these, it was a large wheel about 7ft in Dia. If you look for someone who knows how to repair wood relics you maybe able to locate a craftsman to build one.

I know on CM sirgeorge1961 has built them, that is who I assisted in building one. I have no idea what he charged, i know it was for a public dungeon in NYC. it took about 2 months to build and he had to design it himself.from a picture they gave him

You can try writing him on CM.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/27/2006 8:30:44 AM

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Your biggest challenge is going to be the axle, as the entire weight of wheel plus sub is going to be borne on this pivot point, and it still needs to be able to turn easily. You'd be best to look for components originally intended for large industrial or agricultural machinery.

Challenge #2 regards how this axle attaches. There will be a whole lot of shear force applied at that point. The classic image of the St. C's wheel has it secured to a wall. If you have a nice concrete wall (reinforced, all the better), and a half dozen Tapcon anchors (Big blue hex-headed screws) you should be fine. If you have drywall, you're out of luck, unless you can find an effective way to distribute the load across multiple studs. I can't think of one that doesn't involve tearing an 8' wide hole in your wall.

I've seen one wheel positioned on a portable base, made of either channel-iron or square stock (I don't remember which.) That wheel was constructed on an angle, so that more of the axle and base were positioned directly under the load. I suspect it was far more comfortable for the subject than a truly vertical wheel, as well, since more of the subject's weight would be applied downwards onto the entire contact area, rather than strictly onto the restraints.

As for the wheel itself??? Build a big X out of 2x4, as though you were making a St. Andrew's cross. Cut a big circle out of thick plywood. Nail the circle onto the cross. Attach screw-eyes, hitch rings, cleats and/or straps to taste. Add foot-supports, hand-holds, or what-have-you as you see fit. Finish, paint, or upholster. Try to position any point that will take a lot of stress on or near-to the underlying X-frame. That's the easy bit.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/27/2006 11:03:27 AM

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I have been curiouse about it as well... I couldnt even find a good set of pictures of one.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/27/2006 4:23:08 PM

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For Ponyseeker:
http://fetteredpleasures.com/search/bondage_wheel/prodFF01.html

I am not paying 1800 pounds sterling plus shipping. Not to mention-the duty to be paid would make Me want to commit suicide.

Thx QuietDom and nikkicd. :)

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/27/2006 10:50:16 PM

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Ugh, I can't even handle facing the duties, taxes and such when ordering stuff from the States. And we theoretically have a free trade agreement with them.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/28/2006 9:18:59 AM

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The only difficulty I can really see in it is ballancing it out so it wouldnt be so hard to turn. Other than that it looks fairly simple.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/29/2006 5:37:27 AM

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Building the Catherine wheel is not as daunting as it looks, the following pointers may be of help

Build an A frame for it to be mounted on out of 3’x 3’ x ½’ steel angle 4.5 foot high
Build a D frame as a base mount for the A frame and support with diagonals using the same type of materials
For the pivot, obtain a stub axel from a auto supplier with two inch studs (you may have to buy these separately) and mount this stub 6’ from the top of the frame
Obtain two lengths of flat steel bar 7 foot long x 3’ wide x ½’ thick, centre the flat bar over the stub axle and mark the holes for two opposing studs and drill the holes, (normally a half inch drill bit is required), do the same for the second piece of flat (I usually cut the second piece in half and weld it at right angles to the first piece but then I use 316 stainless as well) and mount it at right angles to the first piece
The wheel itself is made of 3 inch plyboard cutting a circle with a diameter of 7 foot 1 inch, the centre of the circle is reinforced using a plate of ¼ thick steel profile cut into a three foot diameter circle, this plate is centred onto the stub axle and the holes for the studs are drilled through the plate.
The plate is bolted onto the stub axle and the tops of the protruding studs are cut off, the wheel is bolted to the plate and flat bar using ⅜’ cup head bolts, remember to recess the holes for the stud bolts on the wheel.
Prior to bolting the wheel on to the stub axle have the front of the wheel upholstered and fitted for restraining a subject (I use foot plates as this provides a measure of support) remember though the wider the strap the more support is provided and this is important when the subject is side on or upside down.(be wary of suspending a person upside-down for more than 30 minutes
If possible try and incorporate the positioning of the cup head bolts in the placement of your restraints, this means that you can remove the restraint to clean or replace if necessary and it hides the bolts
The frame should be bolted to a concrete floor an if you have dry wall screw a 8 foot by 6 inch by 1 inch piece of timber across the studs and then bolt the top of the frame to the timber, the timber also provides hanging space for your other implements
This wheel will take the weight of 250Kg or 560 pound DO NOT USE THIS DEVICE IF THE SUBJECT IS OVER 150KG OR 330 POUNDS.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/29/2006 6:17:49 AM

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image:

www.lawbuzz.com/tyranny/torture/images/wheel.jpg

text:

INSTRUMENTS OF TORTURE

CHAPTER 4 - BREAKING WITH A WHEEL

To us, "the wheel" may seem like an ordinary wooden device that moves a carriage. To a medieval person, this wheel was a feared device that produced unbelievable, staggering torture. The wheel was a favored instrument of terror in Germany during the Middle Ages. According to a German chronicler, victims of "breaking with a wheel" became

...a sort of huge screaming puppet writhing in rivulets of blood, a puppet with four tentacles, like a sea monster, of raw, slimy and shapeless flesh mixed up with splinters of smashed bones.

But that wasn't the end of it. Limbs were woven around the spokes and the wheel was hoisted up so birds could peck away. Death was usually slow in coming. St. Catherine of Alexandria (to whom Joan of Arc prayed) died this way. So did lots of other folks. But breaking a person with the wheel was just one barbaric method of extracting confessions. Another device was the "Judas Cradle."
use Google images to find more.
I've seen a "wheel," just a padded disc really, suspended by 4 chains from the ceiling with multple anchor points around the edge besides where the chains attach.
another good link
http://www.fidnet.com/~kawlaw/medieval.html

Torture in our BDSM world is nothing compared to what practiced hundred's of years ago. It is not for the faint of heart but I have a wierd fascination for it for study not practice.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/29/2006 9:47:56 AM

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St. Catherine was the saint I chose for my confirmation Who knew!

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/29/2006 10:44:50 AM

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Dear MsSpankhardSk, Ladies and Gentlemen;

A St. Catherine's Wheel is similiar to a wheel that one sees in the circus where a lady/male victim is in an spread eagle and knives thrown at them as the wheel turns.

The St. Catherine's Wheel that was free standing, was made by Frazier, who now runs The Crucible and will be doing the Dungeon at BR'06 this year, in Washington, DC.

The other St. Catherine's Wheel is privately owned.

After December 4th, it will be a good time to contact me off list, as to provide you with contact information, as to talk to Frazier. He can tell you the tricks of the trade per se. He also has made most of the furniture for the club and for BR, long before we had a club of our own and independent of BR.

CrappyDom had asked about the St. Catherine's Wheel and it should be in archives on CM. The man who privately owns his; gave me permission to repost how he mounted his St. Catherine's Wheel.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/29/2006 10:56:58 AM

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Wow!

I am really surprised that this much information has come out. I definatly have to build one of these. I know a company here in Ca that does custome welding that can create the frame for me so I definatly have to try this out!!

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/29/2006 11:07:17 AM

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Dear PONYSEEKER, Ladies and Gentlemen;

Perhaps the Ringling, Barnum and Bailey Circus, might have paterns on hand or old sketches of their wheels. Another, might be the Big Apple Circus.

Some spin the wheel and toss sharps at baloons and other targets while spinning, in a circus content.

I will note, that the 'breaking' wheel is totally different, where it is more torture where the breaking of joints and bones were required.
Inquisition period of torture.

For those other torture and restraint ideas from the Medieval period, I highly recommend looking at sites that deal with "Medieval Torture and Restraints Museums" and or "Midieval Crime and Punishment. Museums." My personal favorite was the Restraints Museum in Linz, Germany.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 4:49:54 AM

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If you happen to drive thru Baraboo, WI. they have a spinning wheel on display at the Ringling Bros, Barnum and Bailey Circus Mus. there. Though for some reason they do not have information on how it can be used in the BDSM lifestyle.

As with most things, just because it looks easy. does not mean it is. Making a revolving wheel that will support up to 300 lbs takes a little more than wacthing
"This Old Dungeon" on PBS.

The best short cut to creating 1 of these wheels is to convert an old stagecoach wheel into one. The design is done, the steel is in place, the axle hub will support the weight, all that you need to do is replace the wood and build a wall support that fits into the axle hub. Sure it sounds easy but this method will save you time and money.

Ok, so where do you find old stagecoach wheels, well around me in Rockford, IL just about every farm has them for sale when they have garage sales. Of course now with everyone wanting them it will only be a short time till you see them on eBay.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 6:02:15 AM

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One thing you might want to consider if you are to build one is having a means of locking the wheel in place- it will make it much easier to get the bottom secured to the wheel, and will also give the top more options in terms of leaving them inverted, etc.

i would like to eventually build one of these, and my plan is to salvage the rear wheel assembly (spindle, backing plate, hardware, and drum) off of a mid-size front-wheel-drive automobile with rear drum brakes. The hardware will be more than adequate, is designed to turn freely with a vertical load, and the parking brake components should be easily adapted for a lever-style actuator. To me, the real trick is the base or wall mount... that is going to take some serious design. i agree with QuietDom that an angled frame would work better for a free-standing unit.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 9:11:41 AM

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I like how everyone assumes everyone knows how to weld. If you do not know how to weld, then you need help in building this

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