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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/6/2006 12:04:04 PM

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I totally agree with you Miss Kitty! I think alot of slaves/submissives don't seem to realize just because we (the Domina's) choose this path as a possible profession, it does not mean we are not EDUCATED! I know many Domina's who hold master's degree's in many fields. They have all said they make MORE $ as a Pro Domme than doing the typical 9-5. Wake up slave boy!!! Females are supreme..just get on your knees and SERVE like a good little boy!!

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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/6/2006 12:05:47 PM

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Wake up slave boy!!! Females are supreme..just get on your knees and SERVE like a good little boy!!

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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/6/2006 1:06:16 PM

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Have to reply about investing. In the past, I spent thousands of dollars (when ex and i had it) and thousands of hours learning investing. I traded and learned MACds and candlesticks and chart patterns and options and puts and calls and all kinds of things from Bollinger Bands to the Forex. It was not just a few hours here and there sort of thing. It was a lifestyle. The fact that ex blew it all does not diminish what I learned or what I could do with just a little again. It was not boring to me, although it might be boring to some. I truly get a high, watching chart patterns. And I truly believe there is a pattern of growth that comes from survival stability success and significance and have been at all stages at one time. And hope to get back there again. Is that taking money from someone and not giving back? No way. I'm not a gold digger. I like to grow it, because that is where I get some of my power and because it's just a whole lot of fun. In the past I've been in the position of walking into a store and being able to buy anything in there that I wanted and yes, I want that power again. But I have no problems with earning it again. I just need a small amount of capital to start from and I'll do it again. Believe me, it's not boring to me. It's a blast!

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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/6/2006 1:18:02 PM

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Maybe in your opinion. Not every one buys into gender supremicy.

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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/6/2006 2:07:28 PM

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Money is just another form of power. A person who gives me power of ANY kind should do so because they want me to have it, and because they want to see what I will do with it. It doesn't have to be about sex, it may not even be about love--although love can be a very deep part of it, because the true definition of "love" is "the desire to make someone else's life better", and money is one of many ways to do that.

Regardless, I am not ashamed to receive any gift that is given to me by choice. Offer me your body, your service, your worldly goods, your life, your soul--I will take them gladly, and use them for whatever purpose I see fit. Money falls under the "worldly goods" category, and it is not priority I place above all others. What matters to me is not WHAT you have to offer, but WHY you offer it--and the WHY will determine whether I accept.

This is the common misconception, that so many people who lead with their wallets seem to have: that I can be "bought"...with anything. Someone who wants to use my financial wants/needs to manipulate me will have no more luck than someone who wants to use my sexual or emotional wants/needs to manipulate me, or my fears for that matter. I see no real difference, in the end, between one type of manipulation and another.

Either the energy (love/money/sex/service) is freely and lovingly offered, or it is not. Strings are always visible, and dangerous to dangle from any package. It brings out the cat in me, and unlike many women--I have not been declawed.

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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/7/2006 3:57:10 AM

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Very interesting read from everyone's posts, thanks again all, the humor sprinkled in was a bonus too lol

I wonder too if this is mainly a male sub thing to want to be financially dominated, but it seems female subs (from other threads I've read, namely the shopping one) also enjoy being financially dominated; having their dom in charge of their finances...so maybe it's more across the board but just expressed differently.

The dynamic Dianna mentions is interesting too. Were the wives there initally as just the wife? Neither domme nor sub? Then became interested in the play once they were confortable? Or did you primarily see wives attending that were involved already in the D/s dynamic in their marriages?

I'm thinking it would be a lot of fun and a good learning experience to have a few sessions with a domme, before indulging my partner with the fantasy of watching me dominate another woman. I think if I did it without seeing what *can* be done, I'd be pretty limited...creativity isn't a weak point for me in any other area but I'm very blocked for idea when it comes to D/s|M/s, think it stems from being scared to to do *too much* in front of/with my partner and have him as the dominant AND man feeling inadequate.

Sexually in general, I'm more experienced, and that's true for anything 'kinky' as well, it's a real problem. I read posts here and it's just like "OF COURSE!" when I read them, it seems so simple/easy to think of the things I'm reading, but I don't seem to be able to let my imagination soar on my own.

Hopefully that grows naturally and can be cultivated, it's a real difficulty for me right now and has been in my current relationship

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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/7/2006 5:52:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: MuscleyandCute

There are significantly less male gay/female gay/female hetero financial subs than there are hetero male financial subs. Why could that be I wonder? I cant figure out how it can make sense for only one catagory of subs to be into something different to such a greater extent than the others. Is there any other fetish which is predominantly indicative of only one catagory of submissive, for instance only female subs are crazy about spanking, or perhaps only male subs have a thing about worshipping feet? I cant think of one myself. I always thought that being sub/masochist was just that and entailed pretty much the same across the board in that you enjoy humiliation and pain etc with the only difference being what sex you are attracted to.

I don't know why this seems mostly to be a male sub/fem dom thing. I am a hetero fem sub and I like the idea of financial domination. Although it's not something we practice right now, it will almost certainly happen in the future when we are living together.

My personal definition of financial domination seems to differ from most other people's, though. I always thought it was simply the dom being in charge of the sub's finances. Though I enjoying giving gifts to my dom they are usually small things which I bought or made; things I thought he'd particularly like. A CD, or a bottle of whisky, for instance. I think the time I spend pleasing him is probably more valuable to him than money, or so I hope! I'm too poor to give proper tributes!

But with regards to his control over my finances, I think this is something that will fit well into our dynamic when we are living together. We have not hashed out all of the details but have decided together that it will probably take the form of a strictly enforced budget with money taken out for combined expenses, an allowance for me, short term savings (for holidays, etc), investments and long term savings. The savings and investments will be in my name but he will make the decisions about them. I like the idea of making money which he has control over. It will be interesting to see how this works out. He is a trustworthy, fair and thoughtful so I have no reservations about it. I would want to keep track of what he is doing with it, but in my mind it would be stupid NOT to know the state of your finances.

I don't see why anyone in a casual relationship would want this arrangement with a domme so maybe giving tributes is the next best thing for male subs who aren't in long term relationships? Just speculating.

I hope a hetero femsub's opinion is welcome here.

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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/7/2006 7:27:26 AM

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No kidding! I get the first whiff of (to put it bluntly) bribery and I'm so outta there. When I take on a slave, it's because I want to be served, pampered and spoiled, my life made easier. If a slave is disobedient and manipulative and a royal pain in the ass, he is NOT making my life easier, no matter how much money he may fling my direction. Frankly? No amount of money is worth my peace of mind. Period.

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ORIGINAL: Morrigel
This is the common misconception, that so many people who lead with their wallets seem to have: that I can be "bought"...with anything. Someone who wants to use my financial wants/needs to manipulate me will have no more luck than someone who wants to use my sexual or emotional wants/needs to manipulate me, or my fears for that matter. I see no real difference, in the end, between one type of manipulation and another.

Either the energy (love/money/sex/service) is freely and lovingly offered, or it is not. Strings are always visible, and dangerous to dangle from any package. It brings out the cat in me, and unlike many women--I have not been declawed.

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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/7/2006 7:42:10 AM

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MissU - Thanks for your post and *ALL* opinions/thoughts are welcome, I appreciate hearing from anyone who wants to share here

What you said was actually the kind of scenario I was referring to having read the threads where femal submissives were talking about their doms being in charge of every aspect including their finances, but that as you said it wasn't so much a dynamic where they were making "tributes" it was moreso that the control was wholely of every aspect of their lives, including their finances. It's all very interesting.

FemmeO - Thanks for your post, seems that's what many of the experienced dommes feel as well, the ones who've posted here at least anyhow

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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/7/2006 7:52:24 AM

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I would also add that I do expect to have control of slave's finances; that is, slave would put his income at my disposal (along with his bills) and along with my own income and bills, a budget would be created. slave will pay the bills under my supervision. All funds remain under my control, however. I may, at my discretion, allow slave an allowance. And always remembering, of course, that I am responsible for my slave's bills, and his health and welfare, and to see to it that he has the items he needs, such as appropriate clothing for his work and our vanilla social and family life, any medications, child support, gifts to family members on holidays/birthday occastions, the list goes on. It is not a responsibility to be taken lightly.

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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/7/2006 8:49:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: MuscleyandCute

There are significantly less male gay/female gay/female hetero financial subs than there are hetero male financial subs. Why could that be I wonder? I cant figure out how it can make sense for only one catagory of subs to be into something different to such a greater extent than the others. Is there any other fetish which is predominantly indicative of only one catagory of submissive, for instance only female subs are crazy about spanking, or perhaps only male subs have a thing about worshipping feet? I cant think of one myself. I always thought that being sub/masochist was just that and entailed pretty much the same across the board in that you enjoy humiliation and pain etc with the only difference being what sex you are attracted to.

I don't know why this seems mostly to be a male sub/fem dom thing. I am a hetero fem sub and I like the idea of financial domination. Although it's not something we practice right now, it will almost certainly happen in the future when we are living together.

My personal definition of financial domination seems to differ from most other people's, though. I always thought it was simply the dom being in charge of the sub's finances. Though I enjoying giving gifts to my dom they are usually small things which I bought or made; things I thought he'd particularly like. A CD, or a bottle of whisky, for instance. I think the time I spend pleasing him is probably more valuable to him than money, or so I hope! I'm too poor to give proper tributes!

But with regards to his control over my finances, I think this is something that will fit well into our dynamic when we are living together. We have not hashed out all of the details but have decided together that it will probably take the form of a strictly enforced budget with money taken out for combined expenses, an allowance for me, short term savings (for holidays, etc), investments and long term savings. The savings and investments will be in my name but he will make the decisions about them. I like the idea of making money which he has control over. It will be interesting to see how this works out. He is a trustworthy, fair and thoughtful so I have no reservations about it. I would want to keep track of what he is doing with it, but in my mind it would be stupid NOT to know the state of your finances.

I don't see why anyone in a casual relationship would want this arrangement with a domme so maybe giving tributes is the next best thing for male subs who aren't in long term relationships? Just speculating.

I hope a hetero femsub's opinion is welcome here.

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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/7/2006 9:25:15 AM

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This English Bitch Mistress gets slave pigs begging ME to take their money - so hey cool - I oblige. Because there is an awful lot of fakers out there - you know the ones- "miss i want 2 b ur slave" "I'll do anything 4 u" "I beg 2 serve at ur feet" "blah blah blah, etc", they promise to be good and do anything 4 u, then when they have peaked into their pants they go off for a freebe to the next Domme , so I decided to weed out the fakers so I could spend more time on the truely dedicated ones - fair??. As soon as I mention tribute/gift etc, the fakers r off like a shot to get their milking fix from some other Domme. The real slaves stay and accept what I put them through. Easy!!! hahaha. lol girls from an English Rose!!

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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/7/2006 9:59:43 AM

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I don't find it necessary to demand money from a man to weed out the fakers. Meeting face to face for dinner will usually suffice.

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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/7/2006 10:12:18 AM

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Are you kidding? Asking for his PHONE number will get rid of 95% of those who've ever emailed me... over 535 to date.

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I don't find it necessary to demand money from a man to weed out the fakers. Meeting face to face for dinner will usually suffice.

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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/8/2006 8:55:13 AM

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I agree with FemmeOwner ..... trying to get a genuine phone number (not a mobile) from a prospective slave sorts out the fakes from the genuine ones.

I see nothing wrong with being a Pro Domme. If I am going to entertain a pet then I have to take a day off work, I am constantly spending a fortune on clothing and toys and like to have my Beautician round before a session too. Not that I'm a minger, I just like to look and smell my best for my pet. All these things, together with loss of my wages, are the reason I ask for financial Tribute. I can certainly earn more doing my regular job than I ask in Tribute .... slaves would do well to understand that and stop moaning about having to pay Tribute, especially when they are only looking for an hour session now and then and aren't genuine 24/7 personal slaves/subs.

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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/11/2006 5:56:33 PM

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I appreciate the comments from the other girls reference my comments. As in any forum room, we all have our own opinion on how we carry out our activities, and this is good, because not all prospective slaves want the same thing.

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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/11/2006 7:24:11 PM

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I don't know why this seems mostly to be a male sub/fem dom thing. I am a hetero fem sub and I like the idea of financial domination. Although it's not something we practice right now, it will almost certainly happen in the future when we are living together.

My personal definition of financial domination seems to differ from most other people's, though. I always thought it was simply the dom being in charge of the sub's finances. Though I enjoying giving gifts to my dom they are usually small things which I bought or made; things I thought he'd particularly like.

There are different activities that fall within financial domination. The ones I see more frequently as a male sub are of the variety where the financial domination is the basis of the relationship, not one aspect. In one variety, the sub is treated as a worthless being and demanded to give money. In another variety, gifts are regularly required (a tribute to have lunch together) to sustain the relationship.

For clarity, I distinguish professional domination from financial domination and think more favorably of genuine forms of the former.

I see the two varieties I describe above to be different from the variety you describe. You describe a relationship in which trust has been established and the financial domination is part of the overall dynamic. In the two varieties I describe, the financial domination is there from the outset (from first contact) and the gifts are not necessarily given due to the desire to give but because they are a requirement.

Sometimes the financial domination is suggested or fed by the sub. Sometimes it is driven by the domme. I seek relationship and interactions at a social and personal level, much like other social relationships. I consider myself incompatible for a relationship based on material wants. However, I have had multiple occasions where my contact with someone seemingly non-professional led to demands of material compensation. I have had multiple contacts where I was asked to send money to demonstrate sincerity and the scenario seemed fishy. In my early days, I was told insistently by multiple dommes demanding money that the only way for a sub to experience submission was by paying for it. Had I not found my way to where I am, I might have believed them and succumbed to the demands.

The point I wish to add is that some people try to use the high demand for dommes they know to exist to obtain money, and that it is not always driven or wanted by the sub. I have mixed feelings about this occurrence.

Like most things, there are two sides to this story and the reality lies somewhere between. Collectively, I think financial domination of the type I describe is not all evil and nor is it benign.

One benefit is that it does provide a mutually satisfying situation for some people. One disadvantage is that it is not always based on mutual, consensual kink but sometimes on desperation and at expense of one. I am cynical about how money can affect people.

I think another benefit is that financial domination brings vanilla women or non-dominant kinky women to explore under this context what they otherwise might not have explored. Some of these may come to enjoy dominance. Some may not enjoy it as much but the exposure has potential to broaden a perspective or leave one open to the idea should she encounter a romantic relationship with a male sub. That is, in the long run I think financial domination will help with the ratios and acceptance/practice of female dominance.

Cheers,

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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/11/2006 7:50:53 PM

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Because there is an awful lot of fakers out there - you know the ones- "miss i want 2 b ur slave" "I'll do anything 4 u" "I beg 2 serve at ur feet" "blah blah blah, etc", they promise to be good and do anything 4 u, then when they have peaked into their pants they go off for a freebe to the next Domme , so I decided to weed out the fakers so I could spend more time on the truely dedicated ones - fair??.

I am not convinced the approach you describe leaves you with sincere subs. From the information in your post, I expect it leaves you with subs who enjoy being used financially, and who enjoy being treated in the manner you suggest (slave pigs). It may also leave you with subs who are insincere but are comfortable with the idea to have to pay to have someone's attention. If paying money was a proof of sincerity, the patrons at gentlemen's clubs would be considered the more sincere lot amongst men.

I expect some of the men who go away are indeed those who are insincere and trying to get freebies. I think your approach would also turn away sincere men who seek a relationship with a broader basis.

Cheers,

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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/16/2006 7:10:53 AM

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BINGO BABY!!! You actually get it!

Its about control, trust, whats erotic and more. The idea of it is a major fantasy for some and some try and live the reality as much as possible.

Totally Dianna, right on the ball there!

I just looked at your niteflirt site (On the proffesional services section of the forums). Good stuff!

On the cover page you have a picture with the words 'Female Domination is about love that exists between the femenine and masculine' then looking further I see stuff like '

I EXPECT u 2 PAY ME & CLICK BUY LINKS ChCHING and 'You want to kiss my legs??? No problem, that will be one pair of silk stockings charged to your American Express. CHA CHING! Go ahead kiss my legs baby. I’ll take a dozen pairs! CHA CHING!"

Theres also another part where you have bits to pay your mortgage at $999.oo your phone bill at $250.oo etc.

Of course anyone who is really stupid will probably think 'Eh? she wants $250 for her phone bill? but I thought that her 'phone bill' would pretty much have been her getting payed to dominate guys over the phone on nite flirt so what kind of 'bill' is a 'phone bill' if your actually making money from being on the phone?

Thankfully Dianna you are in the warm welcoming hands of the fetish scene who dont judge you or think your just a total fake like all the blind-sided stupid people out of the scene would. It is obviously too complicated for outsiders to recognise the complexicity and that the statement of yours: 'Female Domination is about love that exists between femenine and masculine' is a completely honest genuine statement within a realm that the outsider moron will just never comprehend.

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RE: Financial Domination/slavery - 12/16/2006 7:26:20 AM

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Which likely sounds like an insult

....it was an insult

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not ALL dommes require this, but most do, especially prodommes.

....if they don't require being paid, then they ain't a prodomme, somewhat obvious dontcha think?
Now as to financial domination...if the slave surrenders assets, etc. to the owner, and the slave is then supported by the owner, this form of financial domination is just another aspect of D/s, however if the slave is handing over money without the owner taking responsibility for the slave's maintenance and care, then that is either a form of prostitution or it is a con.
Financial domination online is simply internet porn, if you are comfortable being a whore, then by all means go for it, it is legal.

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